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Offline James  
#251 Posted : Saturday, July 9, 2011 5:36:49 AM(UTC)
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Terry wrote:
Yada,

You may have noticed in the BTR cr that I've been asking about the fact that Adonay is found in (current versions of)scripture. I see your reasoning in YY, that's not the issue... the issue is that I was having trouble looking it up myself. I wanted to see for myself that Edon means upright pillar, foundation, etc, if one just uses those same 3 letters - aleph, dalet and nun. I wanted to see for myself that the Masorites added Adonay, even though it is not in the DSS. With James' help, I can now see Edon in Logos and it does indeed mean those things (of course it does). I also looked up Isaiah 61:1 in Logos and I can see for myself that Adonay is there, but not in the DSS. Wow, it really hits home when I see it for myself - it's like the corruption has no place to hide anymore because it is in plain sight in the DSS (busted). The question I have is this: what about verses in scripture where Adonay is there, but the DSS is not available for that verse. Simple logic says that if the Masorites added it in once and we caught them, then we can be fairly certain that they added it in every time. Is that your conclusion? So it never was in any scripture verse? Or was it there in some places, but could have been rendered Edonay Yahowah, like "Yahowah the upright pillar" or "Yahowah the foundation". This is a big deal to me particularly right now because I am working on translating Shemowth and Adonay is in there a bunch, and I obviously want to translate as accurately as I can. THANK YOU

Terry Haston (Terry Ben Yahowah)


Yada wrote:
Terry,

This is a great letter. You had a question, and wanted to verify for yourself something that I wrote. And that is very good. You should question my writings. Yah even wants us to question His writings. That is how we learn, how we grow, how we come to trust. You brought up your question in the chat room, and James who had studied this answered your question by pointing you in the right direction, and that is very good. And then you invested the time to verify this for yourself, which is great, because there is no substitute for seeing the proof for yourself. So now there are many of us who are prepared to expose and condemn this corruption and proclaim the truth.

To answer your remaining question, I assume, and with good reason, that every time aleph-dalet-nun appear in the MT associated with Yahowah that these letters should either be vocalized and translated as 'edon, or be removed. If the passage is extant in the DSS, then we usually find that 'edn was artificially placed within the MT to replace Yahowah's name. If it is appropriate to retain the 'edn, then it would be: "Yahowah, the Upright One," or "Yahowah, my Foundation," or "Yahowah the Foundation of the Tabernacle." I recognize that this doesn't roll of the tongue like "my Lord," or "the Lord," but "Yahowah 'edon" is the actual pronunciation.

I hope this addresses your questions.

Yada

Since I address this in the Name section of the Introduction to God, I have attached it.


Terry wrote:
Thanks for the response. After I sent you that email, I posted the following on facebook, another attempt to reach out to my mostly christian friends who are on fb. Never know, maybe someone will seek Him.

It's NOT inerrant

Many people hold up their bible and say it's the inerrant word of God. I'm here to tell you that's simply not true. While the word of God is the only source for divine writ, our English translations are FAR from accurate. I (and many others)have been studying the original Hebrew compared to what is written in the English translations, and the English translations are all full of errors. That doesn't take anything away from Yahowah(God), He is still awesome and perfect and all that good stuff, it just means that he did not interfere with man's freewill by "preserving" his word into the English translations. Why? Because he did not want you to be controlled by your religions.. he did not want you to always just take your pastor/priests word for it.. He wants us to get off our duffs and look this stuff up ourselves. If your bible says something like "unicorns", you can bet that's not what it really says. Let me give you just one small example and please look it up yourself. Yashayahu (Isaiah) 61:1: just the first few words.. it starts out in the ESV as saying "the spirit of the Lord God". The NIV says "The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD", the KJV says "the spirit of the Lord God". The Hebrew words are "Ruwach(spirit) Adonay(Lord) YaHoWaH(God)". So what's the big deal?? Here it is... now look that same verse up in the Biblical Dead Sea Scrolls:Bible reference Index, known as the DSS(I happen to have it open now using Logos software). It's specifically the Qumran Isaiah scroll, and it predates the Masorites versions by 1200 years. Guess what? It says Ruwach(spirit), it says Yahowah(God), but it does NOT say Adonay(Lord). The history is that the Masorites added in Adonay with no scriptural basis whatsoever. And now with access to the DSS, we have proof (only one example of many). In addition to that, 6,868 times the Masoretes wrote 'adonay above YHWH, replacing God's name with Lord. God does not like the name Lord.. call Him YHWH(Yahowah), or a title such as God, Dad, Father, Daddy... anything but Lord.. He wants a relationship, so "lording" over us would be the antithesis of relationship. Seek Him, respect Him, love Him, trust Him, come to know Him.. and if you get to that point, you'll find yourself WANTING to look this kind of stuff up yourself - and loving every ounce of Truth you uncover.
By: Terry Haston

Terry Haston


Yada wrote:
Terry,

This completes the equation. Yahowah is as interested in us seeking the truth as He is in us sharing the truth. From beginning to end, this has served as an excellent example as to how we are encouraged to respond to Yahowah's Word.

Yada
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“The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it.” ― Ayn Rand
Offline Yah Tselem  
#252 Posted : Saturday, July 9, 2011 2:03:34 PM(UTC)
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So far the only people who commented on the fb post was fellow forum members(thanks). As usual, not a peep out of any of my other fb friends. I like to think that maybe a couple of them will at least read posts like that and consider them, even if they are afraid of posting due to what their friends,family,pastors etc might think. As for me, I don't care at all what people think of me, but I do care what they think of Yah, so I will continue to do stuff like that, even if it seems unproductive on the surface - I just always feel like there is someone out there reading them that is seeking the truth and has an open mind.
Offline James  
#253 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2011 7:28:37 AM(UTC)
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Godfrey wrote:
Hello Yada,

Here is something I recently posted in the forum. I hope that you can help me out with this as well. Thank you for any insight that you may be able to offer and extend.

"Shalom Shalom brothers and sisters. I would like to hear what people have to say about a particular subject, namely Ecclesiastes seeming to be a little fishy. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like this book is not consistent with the whole of Scripture. It seems to be fundamentally contradictory in terms of its root message - that everything is vain. That simply does not make sense when looking at everything else in Scripture, especially the creation account ("Genesis" if you will) and others. I know that it says the main message is to adhere to Yah's commands, which is very very true, but the rest of it just doesn't seem to align. Also, Yah's "hallmark" seems to be prophecy (and the fulfillment of prophecy) but Ecclesiastes seems to be lacking this.

Godfrey


Yada wrote:
Godfrey,

I am not an expert on Ecclesiastes. In fact, in composing the 4000 pages thus far in the Yada Yah series, I haven't found any reason to reference the book. And that speaks volumes to me. As a Christian I loved it, but as a member of Yah's family, I have not found it valuable thus far.

Yahowah's signature is as you have stated, prophecy. And Scripture is Yah's Word, not man's. So I am inclined to agree with you. Ecclesiastes does not seem to include either.

But, this is just my opinion. I haven't studied Ecclesiastes the way I have Paul's letters. So while I am absolutely certain that Paul's letters are not Scripture, I can only share my opinions on Solomon's rant. That said, it is fixated on vanity.

Yada
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Offline James  
#254 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2011 2:03:18 PM(UTC)
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Frank wrote:
Yada,
Have you seen this guys Secrets of the Hebrew Letters?
Frank

http://www.crystalinks.com/hebrewletterslight.html


Yada wrote:
He is presenting Qaballah.


Frank wrote:
Yes I know but I thought it interesting he is recognizing Yah uses
specific numbers that mean something and Yah's Alfa bet and reading
His words represent Yah's Light. Even those who use false screams and
mans dreams still recognize and are drawn to Yah and His Light. Even
if they never find it. They still are attracted to His Light and
Numbers.
Frank


Yada wrote:
I don't doubt that all of that is there, but I don't want to see it presented from the perspective of Qabalah. Qabalah is all about numbers and what various things represent. It's a seductive corruption and counterfeit that one has to be very careful around. For example, Schoerder, who wrote the Science of God, is a Qabalist, as are most rabbis, so while they sometimes stumble on the truth, there are so many lies in their presentation of it, their insights are only useful when removed from their religion.

Yada

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Offline James  
#255 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:26:37 AM(UTC)
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D wrote:
I was hoping you could spare a few minutes to answer questions from a convert to Islam. Bear with me, as it is quite long. Many thanks :)

''Because I'm a monotheist...I believe in Tawhid
Nothing more nothing less

Islam is the only Religion that believes in Tawhid...Islam is the only Religion that brings logic to the table...Christianity, and the Trinitarian doctrine asks you to just have faith.

“Sheiks/Imams who were taught and raised in Saudi/Egypt are now walking among us after accepting Christ into their lives” – So your telling me a Shiekh (BTW sheikhs are generally supposed to already have knowledge of the Bible, Torah, as well as the Quran and the Sunnah) went from believing in Tawhid (One God, no partners) to believing that Isa (PeaceBlessingsuponhim) Al-mesi7 (Jesus Christ) is now all of a sudden either God, or somehow part of a Trinity (Depending upon which Christian domain/doctrine you follow).
For some to be considered a Sheikh in the Muslim community, and to later apostate to another Religion, would be somewhat of a famous story amongst you Christians due to its rarity, and the fact that it seems to be the other way around, where Priests, and Missionaries are accepting Islam. I don't mention it because frankly it's not something we're bothered to gloat other. Basically I want to know if these ‘Sheikhs’’ have any works I could read. Could you refer me to any readable source (Or even a youtube video)

“You mention the Bible has ''its faults''” – Well yes...Frankly its not something I find funny. The reason Atheists’ are so prominent in Society is because of the misconception about Religion not being able to co integrate with the world of Science. As mankind entered into the information Age leading to the rise of secularism, and the depletion of Religious stronghold on Political affairs, you would find more and more people speaking out against the Bible and its inaccuracies’.
It takes 5 minutes after even reading into Genesis to find a bunch of Contradictions or shocking statements. I won’t dwell too much into it. But I’ll stick to science and the Bible.
I’ll mention a few (There are many, instances of Incest, Rape, Mathematical Errors, contradictory statements etc): Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13 - "that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it?

The Qur’an is the only book to not be defeated by the test of time...Meaning that it had to have come directly from The Almighty Allah through to the messenger Jibril (PeaceBlessingsuponhim) and then to Muhammed (PeaceBlessingsuponhim)...This is why it’s the fastest growing Religion.

“Old Covenant, was corrupted when Jews failed to accept the Messiah” – Old Testament?
The Old testament has been chopped and changed since Musa (Peacebewithhim) passed away. The blame falls on the knowledgeable Jews (Rabbi’s), who were men that could read and write, and where the only ones with access to the ancient texts. Them sacrificing the words from Allah for a worldly gain put themselves on the same level...The Qur’an talks about their mental state at the time, saying how they think that they will be punished a little for it since Allah favours them...Then Allah says they will meet a grave punishment.

Oh, now for the Christian Bible – We need to be clear and differentiate between the Bible, and the Gospel, and then the Gospel according to Luke, Mark, so and so.
The Bible is a collection of books (Books which in themselves contradict each other) most if not all written by Paul...Not Jesus and his companions.
But who was Paul? Paul was a man who never ate, slept or even talked to Jesus. Yet according to his Job description prior to his supposed Revelation he used to go round persecuting them. Now this is like Hitler going to a Jew and saying “I have this revelation...” The Jews will not even listen to him.

"Their insistence on keeping their old religion deprived them of any reward. On the other hand, Muslims accepted the new religion and believed in all three Messages. They deserved a full reward for their complete surrender to Allah." – Where it says “Muslims accepted the new Religion” The Prophet PeaceBlessingsbeuponhim is merely stating that they were Muslims, they were mu’mineen Believers, people who submitted to the message. We Muslims believe Muhammed peaceblessingsbeuponhim is the final messenger of Allah, who ever dies ‘rejecting’ him dies a kaafir, and his abode is the Hell-fire. Notice I say rejecting, because Allah is merciful, and will judge those who were front to front with the truth, and maybe the extent of the truth they received about our beloved Prophet.

“Explain how can one believe "all three Messages" if they are radically different?” – The Torah is a message that was later corrupted. The Injeel (Gopel), and the Torah were given to Isa peacebeuponhim so that he could correct what had been changed. The Bible speaks of times when Jesus was depicted as a 12 year old child in the Temple educating the Rabbi’s.
These two books we believe were and are divine Revelation from God (Not the Greek Bible, despite it being an ancient text, I think its safe to say Jesus didn’t speak Greek, and Matthios etc are not Jesus so why should I blindly believe in Gospels supposedly written by men we know nothing about, who don’t even have surnames). We don’t believe the Torah, and Injeel to be messages that contradict one another, rather they compliment one another.

“What’s the justification for a new religion? “ – Islam is not a new Religion. The Qur’an is the final revelation. Islam is the concept of submitting your free will to the will of Allah. This means even Adam peaceblessingsbeuponhim was a Muslim, and this is something we believe.
We believe any of the true followers of any of the prophets who walked this Earth were Muslim. Muslim being an individual who submits their Free will to the will of Allah.

“It serves as irrefutable proof that nothing was changed” – Jesus never spoke Greek. The Gospel is not according to Jesus. The Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all contradict each other. Even in the Greek texts. If you base your beliefs on texts that contradict each other, then Good day to you Madame.

“I'll show you why Islam is a caustic blend of recycled paganism and twisted Bible stories” – Wow, I cannot wait.


Yada wrote:
I am sorry, D, but this person is not going to benefit from your time or mine. They are not going to listen to anything you have to say, anything that I have to say, nor anything that Yahowah has to say. You may not want to hear that, but it is nonetheless true.

A religious person will not be receptive until they first start to question their religion. This person is justifying and promoting Islam, which is the farthest away they can be. What they need to do is read Prophet of Doom, free at www.ProphetofDoom.net. If they do, then they will question everything in their religion. But if they won't read it, you cannot help them.

I say this because there is no way to rationally deny that Prophet of Doom is the best documented, most comprehensive, chronological, and contextual presentation of Islam's oldest, most essential, and revered texts. And the book proves beyond any doubt that Allah, Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran are completely unreliable. In fact the argument that they are making against the bible is an argument against Islam, because Allah claims to have inspired it. And the Qur'an is so contradictory, it has two passages which justify contradictions. Yet if you point out either of these facts, both of which destroy their faith, you won't phase their faith.

Islam is irrational. Muslims are irrational. But so is Christianity and so are Christians. The simple truth is that to engage in a relationship with God, even to know God, a person must first walk away from their religion. So even if I were to demonstrate that this person's every criticism was either against a religious myth (the trinity for example) or errant translation, it wouldn't matter. And if I disproved every claim they have made in favor of Islam, it would not matter either. I've dealt with ten thousand people like this over ten years and have never yet seen a religious person process evidence and reason rationally. Not once. And this person is especially irrational.

I wrote this in the Introduction to God just a few minutes ago: (the entire book is attached)

When the words are represented appropriately, Dowd’s (David's) song is poetry for our eyes, music for our ears, and lyrics for our heart. And this is among the most relevant and revealing sonnets ever written: “Prior to the time that I responded and answered this invitation, before I was thoughtful, spoke truthfully, and composed these songs, I was preoccupied and I unintentionally erred, I inadvertently wandered aimlessly, without deliberation I sinned without meaning to do so because I was unwittingly deceived and therefore placed my faith in mistaken opinions. But now, at this point in time, I literally keep my eyes totally focused upon, carefully and completely observing, closely examining, diligently exploring, and genuinely evaluating, investigating and scrutinizing the complete totality of Your Word, Your Instruction, and Your Promise.” (Mizmowr / Song 119:67)

This was the transformation of Dowd / Love. He went from sinner to saved following this plan, this course.

Reinforcing this wisdom, and describing the purpose of Yah’s “Towrah – Teaching,” the song continues with: “You (‘atah) are good, generous, and pleasing (towb – You are enjoyable and festive, beautiful and pleasant to be around) Yahowah (Yahowah – extant in 11QPS of the Dead Sea Scrolls but not found in the Masoretic Text)), and (wa) are doing what is good, beneficial, and best by (yatab – are enjoyable, agreeable, cheerful, and successful in (hiphil participle)) teaching me how to properly respond to (lamad – helping me learn, become better acquainted with, and more accustomed to (piel imperative)) Your clearly communicated prescriptions of what I should do in life to live (choq – Your written, engraved, and inscribed thoughts and statutes which allocate a share of what is Yours by cutting me into the relationship and giving me a portion of what is Yours).” (Mizmowr / Song / Psalm 119:68)

Because Yahowah is good, He does what is good. Because He is pleasing, He does what is pleasing. He teaches us what we need to know to live with Him. And, here is the fun part, He does it in a most enjoyable way.

But unfortunately, there is an alternative way, a less enjoyable, less productive, path one can follow. Speaking of political, religious, and societal leaders, Dowd reports: “The self-important and self-motivated (zed – the arrogant and haughty, the presumptuous and insolent [read: political and religious leaders]) lie, they mislead and deceive with their speeches (sheqer – they utter vain, senseless, useless, and valueless beliefs), smearing and slandering me with misinformation (‘al taphal – their scribes concealing what I have said on behalf of God, plaster over it with their official message (qal perfect)).” (Mizmowr / Song / Psalm 119:69)

These three words speak volumes to those who speak out against religion and politics. The men, and on occasion women, we confront are most often “zed – self-motivated and self-important.” They are always presumptuous—especially when exposed to the inconsistencies between their testimony and Yah’s Word. While overly impressed with their own qualifications, they universally disrespect God’s. And when you cut to the chase, it is this disparity in relative worth which causes rabbis to promote their Talmud over the Torah, Christians to promote Paul over Yahowah, and Catholicism to insist that their Church’s Canon is superior to Yahowah’s Canon.

Sheqer is the perfect term to use if you want to expose politicians, pastors, and priests, all of whom mislead through their speeches and sermons. It is their verbal communications which most effectively deceive those who believe them.

The jewel in this list is taphal, because it speaks of the ploy these political and religious liars have used to mislead. They slander God by smearing over His testimony with their worthless and whitewashed interpretations. They conceal Yahowah’s Word by plastering over it with their own words. In this way they not only hide Yahowah’s Testimony, they make their proclamations appear credible. It is by this sleight of hand that enabled Sunday to supersede the Shabat, that made it possible for Easter to hide Pesach and Matsah, that caused Christmas to conceal Sukah, that caused the Christian New Testament to be placed right on top of Yahowah’s Towrah.

But they have not fooled everyone. There is something we can do to protect ourselves from them. “I will (‘any), with all my heart (ba kol leb – with all my energy, personal commitment, and with a real sense of purpose), engage my protector and savior by keeping close to and by observing (natsar – maintain a careful watch over and keep focused upon the Branch (the symbol of the Ma’aseyah) so as to be kept safe and be preserved by (qal imperfect)) Your precepts, those instructions which You have entrusted to us, encouraging us to pay close attention to and examine for guidance so that we respond appropriately to You (piquwdym – Your directions and rules which guide our choices, actions, and moral decisions, which teach us how to respond appropriately, rationally, and morally to You).” (Mizmowr / Song / Psalm 119:69)

The operative term in this statement is the verb, as it is in most sentences. But as we have now seen, natsar isn’t an ordinary word. It is equally at home being translated “observe and preserve,” as it is “keep and save.” I suspect that these otherwise unrelated concepts are drawn together through the idea of “guarding someone or something with fidelity,” which is “to be dependable” and “to be reliably alert.” These otherwise diverse meanings are in turn derived from the notion of being “watchful,” and thus “observant,” while “watching over someone or something” so as “to protect them and save them from harm.”

Collectively then, natsar tells us that if we observe Yahowah’s Word, He will protect and save us. And He will do so through His “netser – branch,” one of the most universal metaphors for the Ma’aseyah Yahowsha’.

As we have discovered, Yahowah has a proper rebuttal to every religion. But, according to God those who promote it as well as those who are influenced by it, are unresponsive because they are unreceptive. “Calloused and incapable of feeling, indeed unresponsive and gross (taphash – insensitive and unreceptive, flabby, inflated, ignorant, and grotesque), their hearts (leb – their attitudes and ambitions, their character and personas) are like (ka) fat (cheleb – grease).” (Mizmowr / Song / Psalm 119:70)

With a single brushstroke, Dowd presented of the consequence of religious faith and illustrated the nature of those who promote it. Speaking of the victims, of those poisoned by these human institutions, their religion makes irrational, unreceptive, and unresponsive. Dowd has been appealing to their minds, and yet the faithful remain impervious to evidence and reason. Their beliefs make it impossible for them to judge their faith in the light of Yahowah’s Testimony.

Since this is, at least in my view, the single biggest obstacle to knowing God, let’s consider some examples. Starting with Muslims. Islam’s credibility comes from Allah claiming that his Qur’an not only confirms the Torah, but that Allah was the god of the Torah and thus that he inspired it. And yet when I point out that since the Qur’an and Torah present the opposite perspective on everything, that it is impossible for Allah, the Qur’an, or Islam to be truthful with regard to the religion’s foundational statement, not one Muslim in a million can possess that irrefutable challenge to their faith. It is why I say that it is impossible to be an informed and rational Muslim.

Turning to Christianity, when I point out that no one named “Jesus Christ” lived in the first century, Christians rather than deal with the consequence of this irrefutable reality, respond by saying that I’m a pawn of Satan. Rather than accept the fact that God’s name is Yahowah, and that the Ma’aseyah’s name is Yahowsha’, they oppose the truth as if it were an affront to their faith. I have yet to engage a single Christian who could deal with the reality that each of the following pillars of their faith was in overt opposition to God’s testimony: Holy Bible, Old and New Testaments, Gospel, Grace, Salvation through Faith, Jesus, Christ, Lord, Holy Ghost, Trinity, the Madonna and Child, Crosses, Churches, Sunday Worship, Christmas, Easter, Lent, Halloween, the Eucharist and Communion, Saints, a dying god, bodily resurrection, the choice between just heaven or hell, infant baptism, religion in general, Torah denial, Paul’s letters, or scriptural inerrancy. And yet, if they simply researched a single one of these religious myths, and dealt with the consequence of it, they’d reject their belief system as its credibility would crumble before their eyes.

Therefore, it can also be said that there are no informed rational Christians because their “New Testament” is in universal and irreconcilable conflict with their “Old Testament” which they claim was inspired. Only the irrational would accept something as being inspired scripture which demeans and contradicts Scripture, as Paul’s letters do with regard to Yahowah’s Word.

But they are not alone. The central pillars of Judaism, even the religion’s Talmud and Mishnah, are contrary to the Torah which they claim to observe.

So, Dowd, who was inspired by Yah, was right. The hearts of those who succumb to religion are “taphash – unreceptive and thus unresponsive.” All of the undeniable evidence and irrefutable logic in the world, even when it comes from Yahowah Himself, the world’s only unassailable source, has no effect whatsoever upon them.

The problem, however, with the advocates of religion, is compounded by the fact that the hearts of pastors and priests, the imams and rabbis, are also “taphash – calloused and hardened, and thus rendered incapable of feeling.” They shed only crocodile tears as they pretend to be compassionate and caring. You see, church leaders have to be more than just unreceptive and unresponsive to “promote worthless beliefs which smear and slander God’s testimony by plastering over it with their message.” As a crime of commission and not omission, the perpetrator, to be willing to advance his or her own cause by leading others astray, has to be calloused. They cannot possibly care about the wellbeing of others.
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#256 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:30:42 AM(UTC)
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D wrote:
1. If we are made in God's image, why are there black/white/yellow people?

Yada wrote:
D, you can't be serious with this first question. Do you really think that God has a color which He tried and failed to match? Do you believe that it is skin pigment which causes us to be "in His immage?" God is spirit, not flesh. In His image is a reference to the nesamah, which is our conscious. It enables us to think and respond rationally.



2. Scenario: I am in a shop making a payment after purchasing items. As I hand the cashier the money, would God know
I have short-changed her? Would He know I gave her the incorrect amount to which the situation escalates resulting in the police
being called? Would He know that I am facing a prison sentence?

Yada wrote:
No, He would not know. He would have no reason to know. Yahowah knows those who know Him, and He pays no attention to those who do not know Him. And those few souls Yahowah knows, He is blinded to their faults.



In short: If God knows what is going to happen next, doesn't that mean we have no free-will? If He knows what path I am going to
choose? Isn't God suppose to know everything? And if He does, doesn't that make us actually live in a world with no choice as He knows
what lies ahead? And if He doesn't, does that mean He is not perfect and all-knowing after all?

Yada wrote:
You don't understand light, time, or God, and thus do not understand how Yahowah can see the future, or do so without influencing our actions. To witness the future, even to share what has been seen, does not cause it to happen. If you traveled ahead in time and saw someone rob a person, you would not have cause the robbery, nor would you have infringed in the robber's freewill. Yahowah is providing information for a purpose.

God is not all knowing. That is a Christian myth. There are many things He does not want to know. There is no correlation between Yah being perfect and Yah choosing not to know those who don't know Him, or even in Him providing a means to be blind to the sins of those He loves.

You have so much to learn, it is hard to know where to start. But my suggestion to you is for you to read the Introduction to God. If you find it too challenging, and it is difficult, then www.YadaYah.com is a bit easier. But either way, you are at the first step of a very long journey. I hope you are motivated to learn.

Yada

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#257 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:05:21 PM(UTC)
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Here is a rather interesting email that Yada forwarded me. I will attempt to make the chronology of it as clear as possible, it's a bit long and in an odd order.

Koos wrote:
Dear Yada,
Questioning Paul is not a book for relaxational purposes. I myself am busy reading it for the third time. Many others to whom I have forwarded it remarked that they struggle through it.

However the last group seems to be literate and are learned Torah keepers. This one, Jurgen, got stuck at pages 14 - 16 and he gives his negative comments on your writings on that particular portion, Gal. 3:10.

Ivor, a believer, who has not yet read Q Paul, has however forwarded the book via mail and he tells me in Afrikaans (blue) that he hopes that he has not opened a can of wurms as he had sent the book to a few learned Torah obedient brothers. This Jurgen guy (a Torah obedient learned fellow) got stuck on pages 14 - 16 and he comments on your amplified translation.

To me it is obvious he has not even tried to grasp the real issue and just got stuck on those pages. I myself can no longer defend and justify Shaul, and I am not alone - there are others who have not even read Questioning Paul - and they are aware of his diabolic influence in christianity and they ignore his letters all together, refraining from even quoting them. One just need to view the commentaries of christian theologians on Galatians as to how the Torah of YHWH had been abolished and of no importance any more!! If that in itself is not a red light, I don't know what is.
How is it possible that a truthful Torah keeper do not realize that Shaul was anti-Torah?

Fortunately his comments are in English. Would you care to peruse them and then to respond and even to take it further if necessary (a world wide debate throughout christendom).
You have started writing on an extremely important subject and you are the only person who is able to justify and negate/refute any negative commentary on your book. I expect criticism from christians, not from Torah obedient believers?

For your benefit I attach the pdf of Questioning Paul which had been circulationg via e-mail in South Africa so that you will be able to follow his argument and comments.

Be extremely blessed and covered in His Ruach Hakodesh!
Koos


The following were forwarded to Yada by Koos attached to the above letter:
Ivor wrote:
Shalom Koos

Ek hoop nie ek het nou ‘n blik wurms oopgemaak nie, ek het die “Questioning Paul” boek vir ‘n paar van ons gelese Torah gehoorsame broers gestuur en sien die terugvoer van Jurgen.

Ek is nog te dom om alles te verstaan, twee vrae:
1. Is hierdie boek ten gunste of teen Sha’uwl se briewe ?
2. Is Jurgen se kommentaar ten gunste of teen die skrywer van die boek ?

Ek sal stadig begin lees van die begin van die boek, dalk sal ek dan verstaan.

Lekker aand.

Ivor


Jurgen wrote:

Comments on "Questioning Paul": i basically skimmed chapter 1 and got stuck on pg14-16 where the author comments on Gal 3:10-11

First a comment on bait & switch, he says:
"Based upon the words Sha’uwl selected, this is what he actually said: "...." (Galatians 3:10) (Please note: for those more accustomed to the amplified translations .....)
Recognizing that the preceding translation is a literal rendering of Papyrus 46"

Do you see the contradictions: "actually said" versus "amplified" versus "literal" - now which one is it, it can't be all three ! He wants the reader to thinks these are the "actual literal" words but they are really his amplified words ! This just isn't honest.

Besides this his amplified translation is incorrect: “For as long as they exist by means of doing the assigned tasks and activities of the Torah, they are under a curse, because it is written that: ‘All are accursed who do not remain alive in and who do not persevere with all that is written in the scroll of the Torah, doing it.’”

The two highlighted sections are unsubstantiated from any Greek text. (Papyrus 46 has no variant reading for this verse.)

Then, on pg15 para 3 he claims that Sha’uwl misquoted Deut 27:26, and gives his own translation "which reads: 'Cursed (...) is whoever is not established (...) by the words of this Torah .....’"

Meaning that it is the "words of the Torah" that does the establishing i.e. the Torah establishes "whoever" and if they are "not established" by Torah then they are cursed.

However this is incorrect as the Hebrew text indicates the meaning to be that: whoever is not causing the establishing of the Torah is the one cursed.

Next, on pg16 para 1 he conveniently takes the NLT version of verse 11 (which is a bad English translation of this verse) and then in para 3 attacks Shaul with the NLT stating that "the Scriptures" DO NOT "say, ‘It is through faith that a righteous person has life.’" He is correct, except that this is not what Shaul said its the bad translation.

He also fails to see Shaul's logic in this section stating that he cannot see how Shaul can say it is "clear / evident". The funny thing is that the bad NLT actually spells it out: "So it is clear .... For the Scriptures say" Hab 2:4, while the author incorrectly thinks it has to do with verse 10.

Well that was enough twisting of scripture for me, if it starts out like that then ..... ?

Some helpful notes to bear in mind:

1. Peter acknowledged Shaul / Paul and did not warn people against him as a heretic or something.

2. The major theme of the book of Galatians is not (as popularly understood) against Torah, but against being / seeking justification by Torah or circumcision. There are, one or two places that are difficult to understand, and the translation has been skewed in some places as well to give the wrong impression - but there is no need to repudiate it or Paul.

The word “circumcision” appears 12x in various forms in this letter. This is more than in any other letter besides Romans, which also has 12 (11x in chapters 2-4).

A big issue at that time, which Paul addresses in this letter, we find clearly stated in Acts 15:1 “certain men came down from Judea teaching the brethren, 'Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.”

Here is how Paul basically goes about addressing this issue in his letter:

Chapter 1: Introduction, vague reason for writing, and personal history.

Chapter 2: Introduces his problem: Justification by Circumcision or Law

Chapter 3+4: Gives 6 proofs against this:

i. Crucified with Messiah (2:19+20)
ii. Received the Spirit with out circumcision (3:2-5)
iii. Avraham was justified before being circumcised (3:6-9)
iv. THE Curse of the Torah prevents justification (3:10-14)
v. By promise and not by law (3:15-18)
[3:19-27 gives a reason / function for the law, 3:28-4:20 digression]
vi. Born of the Spirit (allegory of Hagar & Sarah) 4:21-5:2

Chapter 5: Living by the Spirit

Chapter 6: Closing remarks and exhortation.

To reiterate then: Galatians is often used to prove that “the law is no longer valid” however this is not the purpose of the letter, and to use it as such would be to twist Paul's intent. The thrust of his arguments is that we are not justified by either circumcision or by works of the law.

Blessings
Jurgen


Now Yada's first reply

Yada wrote:
I have read more of Ivor's letter than he read of Questioning Paul, and I have reread pages 7 and 8 of the 01 Chrestus chapter which he was criticizing. And after doing so, I don't see any reason to edit anything I've written based upon his comments. But if you see it otherwise, and if you find some merit in Ivor's argument and opinions, then please, share them with me, and I'll gladly reconsider.

While I have received countless letters complimenting QP, his are the first comments I've received critical of it. And while I am typically as happy to deal with criticisms as I am compliments, I am not motivated to address either when someone has just "skimmed" 7 pages of a 500 page book.

Ivor reminds me of many Messianic Jews that I've met. They cling to Paul, and do gymnastics to twist his rejection of the Torah into support for it. It is sad.

The only changes I see that need to be made to QP is to correct it for what I've learned while writing the Introduction to God. While those are substantial, it's going to take me a while to get to them because completing the Introduction to God is a far more important project.

Yada


Koos then forwarded this reply to several people including Yada

Koos wrote:
Ivor,
I don't blame Jurgen for trying to skim through this massive book of more that 500 pages. It is the best written book on the Torah-less Shaul I have ever read. It is because of his skimming through the first pages that his comments are totally valueless and irrelevant. He can only give relevant commentary once he has thoroughly studied this extremely well researched book.

If you want to do yourself a favour, study Questioning Paul very systematically. There are revelations that you will not find in any other article/book which tries to unmask Shaul.

However, I have come across two short articles which Jurgen also needs to read, not skim, and then I would appreciate his commentary to "Paul Apostle of the Stumbling Block". It is easy reading and Jurgen might as well lie down on his back when he quickly peruses it. The contents are also shockingly clear and needs to be refuted if it were possible. May be Jurgen would attempt to do just that with this 26 page article?

I find it amazing that all of us, myself included, have been so gullible in the past to have accepted Paul's doctrines, when we used to be in christianity, as indeed to be against the Law of Moses. We all used his letters to prove that we were free of the Law. And now that we realize that the Torah is for ever, everlasting, now all of a sudden everyone, every Torah-keeper suddenly wants to justify Shaul and defend him!! WHY? What's so important that he needs to be regarded as an Apostle when the evidence about the real him is so blindingly clear? We do not need his letters at all. We have all of Scripture.

Yes, Christianity needs them desperately for without them christianity has no foundation.
Let us all strive to get rid of Shaul and then everyone will be obliged to acknowledge that Torah is the everlasting Word of the Most High, unchangeable. Torah will be the Law of the Future when Messiah reigns! So we might as well start now to get rid of Paul !!

I have no problem whatsoever to cling to the Scriptures that was relevant in the time of Yahushua, being the Torah, the Psalms and the Prophets. And then I would regard the writings of the legitimate Apostles as testimonies/witnesses to the fulfilments of the prophecies given to us in the Tanakh. They are the witnesses that the Torah of YHWH was and is true. That the Upright Instrument of Yah who manifested Himself in the flesh as Yahushua, did indeed fulfill the first 4 of the 7 Lev. 23 Feasts of YHWH. Three (3) Feasts remain to be fulfilled!

Enjoy yourself, read this article and tell me it doesn't shock you to the core!!??

Regarding the 2nd little article, is there any way you are able to verify the source from where this particular article comes from? I only want to know whether it is a hoax or not.

Be Blessed Ivor.
Koos


And finally Yada's response

Yada wrote:
Koos,

I am humbled by your letter. I only wish my response had been as articulate and pertinent. I would, however, appreciate it if you would provide me with the link to the article you referenced. Since having written QP I have gathered several articles addressing the same topic, all of which came to the same conclusion, but for different reasons. So, when time permits, I hope to explore their arguments and add them to my own. It appears that at 500 pages, I hardly scratched the surface.

I have attached the Introduction to God, which is far from being completed, but yet still speaks to everything you have written. It provides Yahowah's perspective on His Towrah. This labor of love has been a real eye opener for me. I hope it is for you as well.

Also, I would greatly appreciate your criticisms and suggestions as you read the ITG. Fell free to share it with your friends as well.

Yada


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#258 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 9:58:35 AM(UTC)
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Koos CCed Yada on the following email

Koos wrote:
Dear 'grandpa' Joseph Dummnd, Messianic and Hebrew Roots Teachers and other Torah obedient believers, as well as christians,

This email is in reaction to the latest Sighted Moon newsletter, as usual most informative and worthwhile reading. I will try to keep it short. I have bcc'd numerous other believers and the "you" in this mail is not directed to Joseph at all but to everyone continuing to be brave enough to keep on reading, so please bear with me for the duration of this mail, even if you have a lot of other things to do.

This heading, the HOUSE OF YHWH VERSUS THE HOUSE OF PAUL is a fitting counter image of the title in Sighted Moon
newsletter of the House of Rabbi Shammai versus the House of Rabbi Hillel.

Rabbi Shammai was correct (within the context of the newsletter). He was apparently a Torah keeper and that's why the Apostle Kepha also confirmed the teachings embedded in the Torah. Also, because for a considerable period of time, he was taught by Yahshua, the Implement of Yah, the Set Apart One who was the physical manifestation of YHWH (YAHUWAH/ YAHWEH/YAHUAH/YAHUWEH/IAUWEH) who became flesh, the Living Torah.

Rabbi Hillel brought in a second Torah - a contradiction to the Torah command that there is only ONE Torah for the stranger as well as for the Yahudi - the Noadic laws imagine!! Another set of Torah!! Didn't he know the Torah of YaHuWaH was given to Israel on Mt. Sinai? That, that Torah command still exists today? One Torah for ALL!

Paul/Shaul obviously followed Hillel. That's why he was so controversial over the recent two millenniums. That's why every Christian who believes that the Torah was done away with, quotes Paul as an authoritative reference.

Messianics, Hebrew Roots teachers and everybody else try and defend him. Every one tries to justify Shaul. "No, that's not what he meant!! He actually tried to show the gentiles ..... bla bla bla "; "Shaul could not have meant that....."; "hey, man, he was a Torah keeper (from his own admission in one place)" "No man, we understand and interpret him wrongly, etc. etc”, "Paul did not write against circumcision!!!??".

And they do this because they truly believe that he could not have been preaching and teaching against the Torah of YaHuWaH.

But he did. Study the attachment very carefully. It requires diligent concentration and research but you will be rewarded in the end.

I myself was so trusting and green that I used to forward an article around trying to prove that Paul did not really write against circumcision, that we just understand him incorrectly. I get embarrassed when I remember my own naivety. We lie to ourselves when we say that Shaul did not really mean what he wrote. What he wrote is what he said and that's exactly what he meant. How complicated can that be?

That's why Paul actually opposed the Apostles Kepha, Yaakov and Yochanan and the others. Compare the Acts ch. 15 version to Paul's own version in Galatians!! Very important! Have you ever done that? That's when you start to dig out various contradictions in the Acts version compared to the Galatians version. Irregularities that have just escaped our attention for many years in Christendom. Lies that surface, revealing the true identity of the self proclaimed apostle Paul who could not lie.

One has to compare the Acts version to the version given by Paul in Galatians. Many teachers write pages on Paul's obedience to Torah just referencing the book of Acts for example - but start to compare the two versions with each other objectively and serious problems arise. One finds that Paul's own version in Galatians seriously contradicts that what Luke writes in the book of Acts, casting important shadows on both writings.

It is extremely peculiar that Shaul never linquistically distinguished between man-made laws (oral laws) and even Roman or Greek law on the one hand versus the Torah of YaHuWaH. He always had the Torah, the Law of Moses specifically in mind - even though there were distinctive terms for the different sets of laws which he could have used. His "Nomos" always referred to the Torah of YHWH which he described as an enslavement or bondage.

When you start to study Paul's letters in the original Greek, you not only find contradictions and irregularities, wrong quotations from the Torah, quotations from the Torah taken out of context, etc. etc. And as horrible as that is in itself, you will also find a peculiar and frightening pattern emerging. A pattern you will not find unless you dissect Paul's writings verse by verse and word for word in his original Greek texts but also subsequent known translations, as Yada does in this book.

You will find a pattern in which Paul deliberately causes a division between YaHuWaH and Yahshua the Messiah on the one hand, and the Torah on the other. This he does right through all of his epistles, specially Galatians. Make a study of his original Greek epistles. See for yourself what he wrote. He opposes YHWH deliberately and that's scary for in doing so he sides with hasatan.

Remove the writings of Paul out of the new testament and you pull the plug on christianity which is founded on Paul's doctrines. Christianity has declared the Torah to be obsolete and irrelevant and of no significance, based purely on Paul's doctrines and nobody else's. Galatians is one of the most authoritative writings which christians frequently quote.

His Galatians letters are totally anti YHWH, anti Torah. He wrote against YaHuWaH, he opposed YHWH and His Torah. And, again, that is scary if you see how many Torah-obedient followers of Yahshua pander to Paul/Shaul by defending, justifying his doctrines - and therewith also positioning themselves against YaHuWaH and His Torah.

In so doing they actually side against YaHuWaH, some unknowingly, others deliberately by rejecting fresh teaching which the Ruach Ha Kodesh has of lately been imprinting on the hearts and minds of many Torah obedient believers in Yahshua.

Paul's Greek was poor, it seems as if he could not even write properly, let alone bring across relevant basic Torah teachings to his congregation members - Study his Greek texts!! They are sometimes just gibberish. It is a wonder that Christians were able to structure their doctrines based on his writings. Sometimes one can't make out heads or tails of what he is trying to say.

It is actually impossible to conceive how this man was so successful and to have been able to have deceived billions of believers over the ages. He must have had assistance from hasatan. Paul was even more successful than the prophet Muhammed (all though he is picking up lately).

But I don't need to defend Shaul any longer like I used to do. I no longer need to justify him as I used to. I will rather spend my time digesting meat/steak from the Torah than wrestling with Shaul's lies and anti-Torah rhetoric. Few of his writings seem to suggest a momentarily bright moment of truth, while the majority of his other writings testify of a satanic origin/source when he demeans and belittles the Torah of YaHuWaH. This is clear - only hasatan would demean and belittle the Word of YaHuWaH, that's easy to understand.

I implore you to just have a look at the following portion of Galatians. It's actually mindnumbing, shocking, tragic.
Gal. 4:21:He concocts an imaginary and deceptive doctrine of two fictitious covenants for his allegory in Gal.4:21. Read the Galatians portion itself. This teaching is a deliberate lie. Then read chapter 9 of Questiong Paul, attached hereto. How come we never realized this? Many of us used to mention his difficult portions, skimming over them and then putting it behind and ignoring them.

And Christian commentators, throughout the ages, have indeed correctly interpreted him as doing away with Torah, abolishing the Law of YHWH which enslaves believers! They were and are correct, that's exactly what he had written. Even Messianics explain this particular Galatians-portion in their defense of Paul not to be anti-Torah, having been deceived by an outright lie – that’s the price one pays when one does not cling to Torah as we are commanded to do.

Christian commentators are absolutely correct. They have not based their views on verses taken out of context, which many defenders of Shaul claim they do. His writings are clear. Most of the times he clearly wrote against the Torah of YaHuWaH. In only a few instances one gets the impression that he is a fervent Torah keeper while at other times he portrays the opposite.

I challenge you to read the commentary on this particular Galatians portion, go to Chapter 9, page 307 of the attachment herewith. I have never realized before what a deceiving liar Paul was and exactly how he managed to have deceived billions of Christians over the years, of whom I was one.

This attachment might become one of the most valuable and challenging books you have ever encountered. It is a thorough and systematic evaluation of the book of Galatians. Yada started writing this book with the purpose of justifying and explaining Shaul/Paul's doctrines and to put in plain words how they should be read in harmony with the Torah of YHWH. He wrote a comprehensive and balanced treatise on Shaul, most of
the time trying to give Paul the benefit of the doubt. He painstakingly scrutinizes Galatians chapter by chapter, verse by verse, and word for word and also comparing it to other Pauline writings.

It was more or less during his 3rd re-write that the truth hit him. Paul/Shaul blatantly opposed Yahuwah and His Torah and sided with hasatan. His poor Grecian language skills were not the reason for the supposed misunderstandings. He created another message, contrary to the Torah of YHWH. Brilliant like only Lucifer, Halal ben Schachar, is able to have inspired.

When you have completely finished this book, from A- Z, you will realize that when a Christian decides to obey and do the Torah of YaHuWaH because of his love for the Messiah Yahshua, he should also simultaneously immediately do away with/throw out the teachings of Shaul and revert only to the Torah, the Psalms and the Prophets - the inspired Scriptures that existed at the time of Yahshua and the Apostles.

The scary reality is that Shaul positioned himself against YaHuWaH and His Torah, thereby siding with hasatan. Torah believers need to study and avail themselves of this basic knowledge/information, presented in this book, to prevent that they unknowingly support and defend Paul and in so doing pander to hasatan and position themselves against the Almighty Yahuwah and His Torah. Read this book, study it. Print it out, use it for a reference.

Let's move on as 'grandpa' Joseph advises in his newsletter (all though it's not with regard to this particular subject). Let's quit the milk and go for the stake. His newsletters are full of Torah knowledge and they are a blessing to most all of us. But there are many of us in South Africa who have moved on and away, distancing ourselves from Shaul's teachings.

But we are all still too embarrassed, insecure and ashamed to "come out of the closet", afraid to be branded as heretics by the rest of the Messianic world and Hebrew Roots Teachers and so we rather keep quiet about these new insights given by the Ruach Hakodesh of YaHuWaH.

Compared to the justifiers and defenders of Paul we are a small but growing group. We have once again been liberated from an unbearable burden of baggage of lies and deceipt and we rejoice in that (And I immediately distance myself and those of similar insights from the well known white right-winged “Israelite” groupings who alienate/disassociate themselves from Torah obedient believers of color).

Anything or anybody who tries to demean or belittle the Torah, or who panders to Paul or hasatan in an attempt to separate the Torah from Yahuwah and His Set Apart Son Yahushua, is against the Creator and Torah Giver. That also implies those who knowingly defend and justify Paul – even when one just keeps quiet and say nothing for fear of rejection or loss of income.

One cannot believe and do Torah while one also tries to defend and justify the doctrines of Paul which form the very basis of Christianity – doctrines that are anti-Torah and anti YaHuWaH, and anti Yahshua who was/is the Living Torah. In so doing they unknowingly talk and write against the Most High Himself - placing themselves in opposition to Yahuwah.

That's a very real scary reality.

Yahshua our Messiah foretold that there would come a time when the Father would be worshipped in Spirit and in Truth = TORAH. The Truth = Torah will make you free, said Messiah Yahshua. This was a prophecy which is being fulfilled and will come true in it's fullest context - The Torah of YHWH will be the only Constitution of the Millennial Kingdom, the Rules for Living an abundant Life in the Ruach of YaHuWaH.

Be blessed and have a wonderful Shabbat.
Koos

Ps. Please do not take me on, or write against this email message unless you have thoroughly studied "Questioning Paul" and is able to refute it's contents. Again, be blessed.


Yada wrote:
Dear Koos,

This is one of the most inspirational letters I have ever read. Considering the subject and the audience, you have risked a great deal to share the truth. And you and I both realize that most of this will fall on deaf ears.

I was so moved by your letter, that I devoted my entire internet radio program to it today. I hope that you listen to the archive of that show when time permits.

If you listen to the program, you will note that I agree with most everything you have written, save a few linguistic nits and gnats. For example, shamar only means keep in the sense of keep your eyes open and keep them focused so that by keeping the Torah in full view you come to observe it, know it, consider it, understand it, respect it, and accept it. Those who do can dispense with belief and replace it with trust and reliance. The model being suggested is: observe - know - think - understand - respect - respond - trust - and rely. Believers replace all eight steps with faith.

You have correctly used QP as a tool, as something which can be wielded to dig deep and uncover that which can be trusted and that which cannot be trusted. Equally important, you did not use this tool in your witness to others until you had verified the evidence and then come to understand it yourself. Therefore, your appeal to JD and others is from you, not me, and based upon Yah not Yada. That is very wise.

The only actual argument I have with what you have written Koos will seem odd perhaps to you, but it is important to me. In normal circumstances it is appropriate and polite to reference an author's name. But in this case doing so is counterproductive. This should not be Yada vs. Paul or Yada vs. Messianic Judaism, or Yada vs. the Hebrew Root's Movement, or Yada vs. JD. I have tried to be anonymous with regard to Yada Yah, Questioning Paul, and now with the Introduction to God. When I am seen as the messenger, those who reject the message attack me, which is both easy to do and leads nowhere.

This debate is Yahowah vs. Paul as you correctly stated. It is Yah's Towrah vs. Paul's letters. It is Yah's teaching vs. Christian doctrine. It is Yahowsha' vs. Sha'uwl. It is the living embodiment of the Towrah against the former Pharisee. Let those who cling to Paul argue with Yahowah and Yahowsha', not me. They are harder to refute. They make the case far better than I do.

I read the opening pages of the 9th chapter as you advised your audience to do. And while I was riveted to the text, even I didn't see the words as my own. But I did see them as a powerful weapon to be wielded against Paul and Christianity. And there is only one thing more important than realizing that Paul was a fraud--and that is observing the Towrah (something you often affirmed in your letter). So I'm comfortable with you encouraging others to read the book, and I'm comfortable with you presenting anything I've written as if it was your own. I have not copyrighted any of my books for this reason. And they are freely available in HTML in addition to PDF to facilitate this process.

Koos, you and I have engaged with many people like those to whom you are writing. And what I've found is that until and unless a person is willing to question their beliefs, and even walk away from them, it is impossible for them to process information which is hostile to their faith. So, until JD and others are triggered by something to question Paul, they will do as you and I once did--justify him.

And yet, while I expect to be rebuffed, the cause is worthy. Your letter was wonderful. I will always treasure it. Thanks for writing it and sharing it, Koss. I look forward to meeting you in heaven and sharing a good meal and lively conversation.

In Yah's Name,

Yada

PS: I've added some additional text to the Introduction to God since the previous draft. I've now written some 100 pages on the ultimate Song to the Towrah - Psalm 119. So I hope that you find it as exhilarating as have I.

Yada
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#259 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:18:41 AM(UTC)
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I no longer need to justify him as I used to. I will rather spend my time digesting meat/steak from the Torah than wrestling with Shaul's lies and anti-Torah rhetoric.


I concur!

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#260 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:23:23 PM(UTC)
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..mulling things over in my mind...reading bits of YY, etc, here and there...listening to YY radio show here and there....
but remaining frustrated beyond belief with the difficulty of it all. Couldn't fathom that "a loving god" would make it so difficult to grasp...
and oh, how so very many people are mislead..misled? whatever......the evil of that....to so many with good and loving hearts...
I've been struggling with a lot of it....

Today, I decided to come and look at this forum. I don't know why I chose YY Letters to read, but I did....and the part that stood out to me:

Quote:
Religion is about providing a little information which people can believe without thinking, and rituals for them to do as a matter of habit. Relationships require an investment of our time, and a willingness to engage our hearts and minds

(Yada wrote that)

There it is. I wanted the easy answer, the simple path handed to me, on a silver platter, no less! ;)

I love this forum. I don't come around much, but Every. Single. Time. that I do.....I'm rewarded.
:)

Thank you all, sincerely, Thank You.

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#261 Posted : Monday, July 25, 2011 4:49:24 AM(UTC)
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In that context the correct one would be "misled" :)

Perhaps Yah led you to that cuz He wanted you to see that religion vs relationship quote. He's cool like that.

I struggle with that too. How could I have an understanding of the things of Yah and know Him... and yet there be billions of people who claim to be crazy in love with Him, but they don't know him at all?? That's hard to process.. I mean, I don't know everything about Him, but I know His nature, I love Him, & I strive to know Him better each day, and trust and rely on Him. It seems the more I dig into this, the more time and energy I put into learning about him, translating His word, etc, the more reassured I am that I am on the right path & it really breaks my heart for the folks who have religion, but they don't have God. I do think there are some within religion who can see through all the muck and actually know Him, like some at this forum who know Him and yet choose to still attend some sort of churchy type place. Perhaps they do it to try to reach others. I tried to do it years ago but I just couldn't.. my heart longs for truth, regardless of the consequences, so to be in that atmosphere was overbearing for me. You're not alone Bridget... it's hard.

btw, IMO, it's not that Yah made it difficult to grasp... but rather it is that religion over thousands of years has made it extremely difficult to find the truth, in fact, without Yah's help we couldn't do it, but once one truly seeks Him, the difficult becomes a cake walk as far as finding truth about Him. The idea of truly seeking him sometimes is hard for people because that means we are giving up a lot, we'll no longer fit in socially in the mainstream, we're labelled things, we're shunned... but once one decides a relationship with Yah is worth walking TO Him, nothing else matters any more but Him, the true Him.
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To whom it may concern

I have been much enlightened by many of the teachings in your website. However, I am quite disturbed by the statement that has been made about the Apostle Paul – that he is a false prophet. I am assuming that this is said because he is understood by most as having taught that the Torah is obsolete. Is there any other reason that you come to this conclusion? If so, please inform me.

If not, I would ask that you review this stance; because Peter declares Paul was misunderstood – not heretical.( 2 Peter 3) According to conventional church doctrine Paul has been turned into a heretic because he has been wrongly interpreted.
However, Paul’s letters can be perfectly well explained, proving him to be a Torah observant, Torah teaching believer in Mashiach, and in no way contrary to Him. In a nutshell, Paul’s letters are much concerned with establishing the fact that BELIEF must motivate Torah observance – otherwise those works are meaningless. The fault of Israel had been unbelief (Hebrews 4:2) which caused the rejection and corruption of Torah.
Paul taught that true, mature belief has the natural, automatic response of obedience to Torah. (Romans 3:31 – Belief establishes Torah and does not annul it!) but that compulsion to Torah before belief is properly motivating, leads to the errors of Israel while compelled to Torah in unbelief – resentment that ends in rejection, twisting and corruption of the Commandments of Yahuweh.
Paul’s advice to the Galatians to resist compelling adult men to circumcision was to avoid the problem of compulsion before belief is mature enough to be the true motivation. He explains that adult circumcision is a blood oath by a fully accountable man (not a baby) to keep the entire Torah – NOT to be done lightly because someone else compels it! The consequences of breaking such an oath are obvious. Paul teaches that belief is a progressive thing which will automatically grow to progressive Torah observance.

Before the death of Yehoshua – Israel had been guarded by the Torah (Galatians 3) in their state of unbelief.( Torah compulsion maintained that the nation would not sin beyond the limit of grace and have to be annihilated like Sodom , because there would always be sufficient Torah observance to avoid complete annihilation. Remember that Yahuweh said He would not destroy Sodom if there were even ten righteous men to be found.) After Yahoshua, however, the job of the Apostles was to bring unbelieving Israel to BELIEF by the revelation of His atoning sacrifice of love for them. THEN they were to return back to belief motivated Torah keeping – without the corruption that unbelief had added.

As I understand it, the Everlasting covenant is in three phases: The Abrahamic Covenant identified the Kingdom, The Mosaic Covenant compelled the Kingdom to Torah to protect them from exceeding the limit of grace until Mashiach when BELIEF was to be invoked by the understanding of the Renewed Covenant in His own Blood.( Galatians 3) This Renewed Covenant will be finally ratified at the marriage supper of the Lamb.

So Paul was in fact a brilliant man who loved the Torah of Yahuweh and fully understood and taught that man cannot be delivered from rebellion without maturing belief and then and only then will he freely choose to obey Yahweh’s commandments.

Please reconsider this issue.
Sincerely
S


Yada wrote:
S,

Paul was a self-proclaimed apostle. He spoke for himself (but I Paul say...) and consistently contradicted Yahowah and Yahowsha'. Further you have misquoted Shim'own and taken his words out of context to incorrectly suggest that Peter, who was Paul's foe, wrote in support of his letters. The opposite is true. I have studied this entire discussion in Greek, and have written about it for your edification.

I was once a Christian, and until a couple of years ago, I remained beguiled by Paul. While I knew that his letters weren't Scripture, and that they were filled with errors, it wasn't until someone asked me to prove one way or another if Christians have misinterpreted Paul to be adverse to the Torah or if Paul's letters were actually opposed to the Torah, that I came to embrace the truth. That research is contained in www.QuestioningPaul.com. No one who has read it from beginning to end has retained your current position on Paul. The evidence is irrefutable. So if you want to understand why I hate Paul, why I know for certain that he was a false prophet and false apostle, read the evidence contained in that book. But read it all, and with an open mind, otherwise it will just make you mad.

Paul only made one prediction and he got that one wrong so he was a false prophet. But the issues with Paul go much deeper than him being anti Torah, anti circumcision, anti Shabat, and anti Miqra'ey. His salvation through faith in the gospel of grace is wrong in every possible way.

Until you stop viewing the Torah from the perspective of Paul's letters, you risk misinterpreting and discounting everything Yahowah had to say regarding His Covenant and His Invitations to Meet with Him. That is the reason that I am writing the Introduction to God, which when the time is right, I'll share with you.

Paul said that he was not Torah observant, but that he pretended to be when it served his interests. So his letters cannot be perfectly explained to say that he was.

Far more important than that, belief is irrelevant. Beguiling people to believe that belief matters is the single greatest crime perpetrated by Paul and Christians after him. Yahowah wants us to observe His Torah so that we come to know what is says. He wants us to think about what it says so that we can understand. Once we understand He encourages us to respond by trusting and relying upon Him and by engaging in the terms and conditions of the Covenant. Faith skips all of these steps. Belief is therefore the most lethal thing on earth. Since it is not based upon evidence or reason, it ignores all evidence and reason which is opposed to it--even when the evidence comes from Yahowah.

In Galatians Paul said that those who are circumcised negate Christ, when Yahowah says, no circumcision, no Covenant participation, and no Passover observation. No Covenant, no relationship. No Passover no salvation. You see Paul and Yah are saying the opposite things.

If you read www.QuestioningPaul.com from beginning to end and then still cling to your support for Paul's letters, please write me again. And no matter what you decide, when you are done I'll send you the Introduction to God which presents Yahowah's side of this argument.

Yada

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Dear YY

Thank you for the effort you have gone to answer me. Just so you know, I am not a conventional Christian and hugely avoid the description “Christian” at all. I believe the Torah and Prophets and that Yahoshua is the Messiah of Israel. I will read what you have suggested from beginning to end. I don’t get mad reading another point of view and will most certainly take up your invitation to write you again on this issue if I am not convinced. Few people are ever that willing to thrash out an issue. Thank you! All I want is the truth and I am not scared to face it, whatever it may prove to be.

I have to add that studies in the Greek, in my opinion, although it is all we have right now, may be, in themselves, misleading. We have no proof one way or the other that Greek was the original language of the Gospels or letters, in which case translations can be quite off the original mark. (Note however, the church fathers do attest to the Gospel of Matthew in Hebrew “as it was originally written.”) At any rate we do know that there are barely two Greek New Testament manuscripts that are the same, so plenty of room for error to have crept in all over the place. So for me, Paul is not integral to my faith, but I do believe, Greek language and further translation or no, that we have received, valuable insight to the nature of rebellion, authentic obedience and deep understanding of the Torah through Paul. I once disliked Paul when I thought He taught against Torah, but I have now grown to love the guy! (Sorry, if that irks you). Bottom line is that the Gospel will be fine without his input – but it is enhanced and not damaged when we understand Paul’s reasoning. For many who have left conventional Christianity, it has proven easier to discard Paul as a false prophet than to seek to understand his admittedly convoluted reasoning, which, as Peter said, makes him hard to understand. By the way, I cannot see how I “misquoted Shimon Kepha” – would you explain please? Anyway, I would be very wary of “lashon hara” in regard to this man,Shaul.

Quite apart from Paul, I have to be honest that your view on belief is hugely disturbing to me! As I see it, this issue is the absolute crux of our relationship with Yahoweh! “Belief” is most certainly not the mere mental agreement we see so often in the church. True belief is the essential precursor to authentic obedience – this is a matter proven over and over in the Tanakh and is, in fact, a matter of plain common sense. It is the nature of man to DO what he believes! If I tell you that you must vacate the room you are in because a bomb is about to explode – IF you believe my words, you WILL vacate the place! (Obedience follows inevitably on conviction/belief) .If you doubt my words you most probably will not, or if so, quite half heartedly (proving only partial conviction.) Whether or not you believe my warning to take action in the first place would definitely involve reason. If I was the village kook given to hallucinations and frequent calls to escape the latest disaster….you would have reason to ignore me. If, however, I was your best friend of proven love and integrity – you would most probably heed my words.

It is surely a mistake to say that “belief is not based on evidence or reason” – when Yah, Himself says “Come let us reason together…”
From the very beginning He gave man reason to trust and believe Him BEFORE asking him to obey. Consider all the provision and joy of Eden, the loving relationship in the “cool of the day” and only then the commandment. Also so with Israel – Gathered together as slaves in Egypt – the people see dramatic miracles on their behalf, for their deliverance, repeated again and again in the wilderness. They have direct communion with this Almighty YHWH, who clearly loves them, forgives them and has the power to back up His love and obvious faithfulness…..is this not ample evidence of His trustworthiness and reason to obey His instructions? Why should they not believe His every word and consequently trust His commands to be for their absolute good? Fact is that their belief only lasted for short periods despite all the evidence and reason to the contrary. The loving action of the Lamb of YHWH at Calvary is the final and most humbling evidence appealing to our reason to trust Him – if we do not believe the integrity and love so demonstrated, once understanding the facts – then we are beyond saving.

Hebrews 4:2 explains the problem with Israel (in the wilderness who “did not enter YHWH’S rest”) as follows: “The Gospel was brought to us as well as to them, but the word which they heard (In the wilderness – ie: Covenantal Torah) did not profit them, not having been mixed with belief, in those who heard it.”
So how can the Gospel of the Kingdom including the terms of the Covenant (Torah) be of any power to change us now without belief?
It is belief in the Lawgiver that makes us want to obey His Laws. And we have ample reason to believe.

S


YY wrote:
S,

I want you to table your issue with belief for now. After you have read Questioning Paul, I'll send you the Introduction to God. There you will find absolute proof that belief is counterproductive from Yahowah's perspective. He has a formula that is vastly superior. So, please, just hang in there and keep your mind open and in due time I'll share Yah's position on the process He wants us to use to enable us to respond to Him appropriately and how belief shortchanges every step in the process.

If you can hang in there long enough to read 1300 pages of evidence, I'll promise you, when you are done you will no longer be a believer, but will have replaced faith with something infinitely better.

Also, the Torah is not "Law," but instead "instructions, teaching, guidance, and directions," and we are not told to "obey" but instead "observe." The differences are monumental when it comes to the Covenant. These facts will be explored in depth, not in QP, but in the ITG.

YY
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In your radio show on your comments about the Oslo killer's motivation, you mentioned Freemasonry as a major motivating factor for the killings and Adam Weishaupt as a founder of Freemasonry. What objective evidence do you have regarding this connection? Freemasonry as far as I can tell was not influenced much by Adam Weishaupt, but instead Weishaupt had attempted to piggyback his Illuminati on Freemasonry. A lot of information against Freemasonry is the result of the Catholic Church's propaganda against it. I do know that certain Masonic teachings are not scripturally correct, especially their teaching that the soul is immortal and that all souls are judged on their deeds. But I do not see how "Brotherly Love, Relief, and Truth" would lead this madman from Norway to do what he did. If he thought he was a Knight's Templar, I could see how he may make a leap. I am not trying to defend Freemasonry which I see as wrong as any other religion or religion replacement, but if I am to make an argument against Freemasonry, it would be more useful to have information which does not make me sound like some sort of conspiracy theorist nut. If anything, Freemasonry seems to embrace the tolerance that leads to multiculturalism and while expressing some Judaeo-Christian moral ethics, may led to one becoming a moral relativist who refuses to be truly morally discerning. This Anders guy seem to be against this type of thing.
In Masonic lodges, there will be on the altar the Volume of the Sacred Law, which is a King James bible, but their may also be a Koran if a Muslim member is present. This peaceful coexistence between the religions in a Masonic Lodge is evidence in itself of its lack of validity, but I cannot see how it would drive this Twit to mass murder. According to Wikipedia, Scandinavian Masonic Lodges only allow Christians so it is possible that Freemasonry in Norway could contribute to his antiMuslim bias. Other than another manmade scheme created to separate man from coming to truly know Yahowah, I fail to see how Freemasonry directly caused him to hate Muslims and the Left as he obviously does. If anything Freemasonry may be partly responsible for creating the replacement moral code Secular Humanism, which the wacko professed to hate. Could Freemasonry create both the Hater and the things he hated? If you have links to credible sources regarding this and your opinion on Freemasonry, if it differs from mine as far as you can tell, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

C


YY wrote:
C,

Freemasonry existed prior to Wieshaupt, but it was completely co-opted by him to serve his agenda--and it has done so for 200 years now. The evidence is contained in Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism and None Dare Call It Conspiracy, both written in the late 1700s.

Freemason's under the Wieshaupt influence made the RCC their number one enemy because of the integration of cleric and king in Europe, and the RCC kicked back, but that feud is just two totally evil institutions in a mud fight. It does not exonerate either of them.

The initial impressions Freemasonry offers are multi-religional and multi-cultural, but that changes as one moves through the ranks. It becomes a clone of Islam by the end. There are a score of good books written by former members demonstrating this.

I don't much care to speak of the conspiracy approach even though the evidence is solid in support because it requires way too much time to present it sufficiently to make the case, and even then, what is the benefit. So on this topic I typically state the conclusion without referencing the evidence I've read in some 20 books and another 20 online articles. But if you have the time, it is easy to prove.

I was going to include a summary of this evidence in God Damn Religion if I ever get around to writing it.

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Hi YY

I have read some hours of “Questioning Paul” and will comment briefly, but first I must say that “shelving the belief issue” is asking a great deal. Especially in view of the fact that Yahshua, Himself, instructed as much. Did He not know that “belief is counterproductive from Yah’s perspective” and that there is a “formula that is vastly superior.”?

YY wrote:
That is not what Yahowsha' actually said. You are being influenced by a corruption of a language (Greek) Yahowsha' did not speak. It is one of a thousand problems with the Christian "New Testament." I address many of these in the Introduction to God.

Yahowah wants us to observe so that we know, and to think so that we understand. Then once we understand, we can respond appropriately to that which we know, trusting and relying upon Yah and His Towrah. There is no place for faith or belief in this equation. It is replaced by something far better, more trustworthy and reliable.


I fully understand that Torah is not just Laws, but instructive in all Yah’s purposes, character and intentions as well. Even the laws are teaching something beyond their mere overt instruction. However you have to admit that instructions are meant to be obeyed on the basic level too. And surely you are in error to declare that the Scriptures do not tell us to “obey” but only “observe.” The very word “shama” – as in “Shama Yisrael” means to hear AND do, which is exactly the teaching of Yahshua – that we be not only hearers of the word, but doers.

YY wrote:
Towrah does not mean law. There is nothing "law" associated with it. This is another example of the Christian New Testament (using nomos) being unreliable. It means "Instruction, Teaching, Direction, and Guidance." Period.

Yah does not use "obey"--EVER. He uses "observe." So, take Him at His word. Even when he uses "do," the word is more correctly translated "act upon and actively engage in" when used in association with His Instruction.

Shama' does not mean "do." It means "listen." And yet, shama' is the only Hebrew word translated "obey" in the KJV, but since it absolutely does not mean "obey," but instead "listen," this only serves as proof that there is no commonly used Hebrew word for obey, and that the KJV is rubbish. Likewise, there is no Hebrew word for "religion," either.

Also interesting in association with revealing the errors in the KJV, shamar only means "keep" in the sense of "keeping your eyes focused, so as to be observant." It does not mean keep in the sense of obey or do. Such deceptions are born of religion.

Yah wants us to act upon His instructions. And the most important way to respond is to engage in the Covenant by agreeing to the five requirements for participation. So there is lots of observing, lots of listening, some engaging, and very little obeying.



This same word is used over and over again in direct relation to Torah instructions and used in contrast to “marah” (to be bitter, rebellious, resistant, disobedient) as in 1 Samuel 12:14. How can you say “we are not told to obey”? Obedience in the Torah means to follow instructions out of belief, love and trust, based on reasonable evidence that the Torah Giver is trustworthy. Mere doing the actions of Torah for any other reason (as in compulsion by mere Jewish identity for example; or worse in order to control, manipulate or receive gain); is NOT Scriptural “obedience” but hypocrisy and actual rebellion. THIS is the Torah principle Paul was insisting on in his misunderstood and controversial teachings.

YY wrote:
You have been misled by your errant translation. The passage reads: "If you revere and respect Yahowah and you work with Him, and you shama' - listen to His voice and you will not be contentious..." So, your translation is wrong.

The only Hebrew word which can possibly be rendered "obey" is yiqahah. It only appears twice, and more accurately means "to be cleansed together." So your fixation on obedience isn't based upon Yah's instructions. It is a derivative of religion.

But that does not mean ignore Him. It only means that His priorities are for us to observe and listen, and then think and engage, not obey.


I have also long since realised that the New Testament gospels and Epistles are not the “Yah breathed words” of the Tanakh, so for that reason am in no danger of allowing Shaul or anyone else to redefine my faith. Nonetheless, dear old Shaul remains an issue that has to be dealt with one way or another.

YY wrote:
The problems of the "New Testament and Gospels" are so numerous, I cannot list them here, but address all of them in the ITG. However, the Covenant has not yet been renewed, so there can be no New Testament. This is something I came to realize within the past two years. It is something God proves for us and is thus revealed in the ITG.

I know where Sha'uwl is today and how he has been dealt with. But still at issue, is how you will deal with his letters.


I have read a number of pages of Questioning Paul – a good few hours worth.
You obviously have done a great deal of work and I appreciate the fact that you have bothered to do so. However, I have to admit that from the very start, there are issues you raise that I can’t agree with and wish that I had the time to write a zillion page response, as I would like to do. I fully agree that the more modern free translations have degenerated into nothing even resembling actual translation and so propagating the false freedom- from - Torah religion.

YY wrote:
The problem isn't just the modern one. It is the old ones.


Yet, even from the far from perfect King James I have been able to glean a clear message that Shaul does NOT teach against Torah in any way shape or form, but only insists that it must be motivated by the Torah principle of obedience through love and trust in Yah –even in Galatians!
How could I come to that conclusion if it were not possible - from those same (English) words from which you have reached the opposite conclusion?

YY wrote:
Sorry, but if that is your mindset, nothing even Yahowah can say will change it. You are therefore wasting your time and mine.

There is no reason for me to read further. Your mind is not open, and that is a requirement for understanding--as is walking away from religion. I cannot help you S in this state of mind, nor can Yahowah or Yahowsha'. I'm sorry.

Justify Paul's misquotes and misstatements, his contradictions and attitude, all you want. But don't waste it on me. I was where you are and I'm never going back. It was a very painful transition, but in the end it was a grand celebration of liberation.

I would appreciate it if you don't waste your time or mine again unless you finish the book. When you are done, I'll try to answer any remaining questions you may have. And if that occurs, I'll send you a copy of the Introduction to God.

YY


From the beginning, I am aware that your assessment of Galatians gets off to a prejudiced footing when you say that he “misquotes” the Torah in examples you used. How do you know that he intended to write an actual quotation? Was he not doing what he does so often in Romans – namely - simply stating a Torah principle, instead of an exact word for word verse?
Shaul uses phrases like “works of the Torah” and “under the Torah” which have very specific meanings ( We must remember that we have no idea whatsoever concerning any number of possible teachings Paul may have given to the people to whom he now wrote follow up letters. I have little doubt; however, that his recipients were well acquainted with his phrases such as “under the law” and had received clear instruction on their intent.) For us, however, these Pauline phrases only become clearer in an integrated study of all his letters, in relation to the principles and facts of Torah, which he knew and loved well. For example: “under the law (Torah)” is Paul’s way of saying “Torah by compulsion” (because you are a Jew) - understanding the fact from the Tanakh, that Israel was compelled to Torah at Sinai in a state of unbelief, puts this issue into the limelight. Yah seeks love and trust from His people – not compulsion with a rebellious heart beneath “works of the law.” This is the issue Paul most concerned himself with. (The concept is comparable to a parent instructing a child to make up his bed. A loving, trusting, mommy pleasing little four year old will joyfully attempt the task with all his heart. The finished work may be a bit skew and scruffy – but has he been obedient? Indeed – his loving compliance and sincere effort is Scriptural obedience. The surly teen under the same instruction may reluctantly and angrily do the job at threat of losing some privilege. He may do a splendid job, far superior to the 4 year old, but is his heart “perfect before Elohim” as Yah described some kings of Judah? Was he truly obedient? Or is he, like unbelieving Israel, just a frustrated rebel under compulsion to obey a parent for the cause of self interest?) This is what Paul undertook to explain.

There is much I would like to comment on, but let me just do one area for now: Your take on Galatians 4:3 is that Paul refers to the Torah as “elementary matters of the world” to which they were enslaved. Now, I see this same phrase used in Colossians 2:8 where in context it very clearly refers to the vain philosophies and traditions of men. Clearly this is another Pauline phrase and means the same thing in Galatians 4. Shaul says that immature Israel was enslaved to the false and vain philosophies of men (which is the truth recorded in the Scriptures. Israel was guilty of partiality in Torah, unlawful use of the Torah, rejection of Torah and substitution of man made tradition in Torah’s place! This was revealed very clearly in the confrontations of Yahshua with the spiritual wolves of His day. People who mess with Torah don’t know Elohim.) In a nutshell, Israel was enslaved to sin (vain traditions of men combined with and INSTEAD of pure Torah) Paul speaks much of being “slaves to sin” in Romans and makes it clear that we are to be slaves to righteousness (Torah) instead! His message has not changed!
In Gal 4- he goes on to say that Messiah has redeemed Israel (for that slavery to sin) in order to receive adoption as sons (as heirs of the aforementioned promise.)
He says that Israel served false gods in the time they did not know Elohim,( even as Jews messing with Torah and human philosophies) but since having come to knowledge of Elohim, they are going back to pagan practices as they did before when they were enslaved by vain philosophies of pagan men – observing days, months seasons and years of pagan origin – perhaps the Saturnalia of Rome, (Christmas?) or the feast of Ishtar ( Easter) or even “weeping for Tammuz” ( as proven in Ezekiel 8:14)

If this chapter can be so expounded, I promise you the rest can be too, if you want to hear more. I don’t believe Paul was a heretic because I understand the Torah principles he is getting to in his letters and explain them so to the deceived Christian world. Explaining Shaul as I am convinced he intended to be understood has far more impact on Christianity that interpreting him as the deluded church does, then calling him a heretic and then hoping that will remove his influence.

I still stand by my initial statement that Kepha said Paul was misunderstood – not that he was a heretic. If Kepha believed Shaul was indeed a false teacher, he would not have called him “our beloved brother.” How hypocritical would that have been!
Finally, if Kepha, who personally knew Shaul and the congregations he taught, could not and did not identify him as a heretic, then how can we, from our infinitesimal perspective proclaim him to be one now on the strength of a few letters – a one sided conversation?
It is especially shaky ground when Shaul’s writing CAN be perfectly well explained in terms of absolute and brilliant understanding and dedication to Torah.

YY, I admire your passion for the truth and your obvious dedication to seek it and refute what you find as false. I am also glad that Paul neither makes nor breaks the True message of Torah for you or me. However, I hope for the sake of false accusation that you will reconsider your harsh and clearly debatable assessment of Shaul’s writing. If you are interested in alternative understanding, I am more than willing to discuss the possibilities in that direction.

Surely, Peter would have known the difference between misunderstood or just plain false?

Sincerely and with thanks for your time and patience
S

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Koos wrote:
Our dear friend Yada, the first part of this mail is in Afrikaans, introducing some new teachings in the light of the recent controvercy regarding Paul. I say "our dear friend Yada" because to quite a few of us here in SA your books, Introduction to God and also Questioning Paul, have become "best readers".
And now we have been wondering....
Would you consider glancing through the rest of the English teaching and then might you consider to respond?
Be blessed and may the Ruach guide you.
Koos

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Hallo aan almal,

Ek begin vandag met 'n nuwe reeks teachings uit die Nuwe Testament. So 'n rukkie gelede het daar 'n email in my 'posbus' beland wat 'n paar vrae aan die Hebrew Roots gemeenskap stel. Een daarvan is of die boek Galasiers net soveel aandag kry as die ander boeke in die Skrif. Ek dink dit is 'n goeie vraag, veral in die lig van al die kritiek teen Paulus wat tans die rondte doen. Hy is seker een van die mees kontroversiële figure in die Skrif en ek dink nie ons verstaan hom altyd reg en in konteks nie. Ek nooi julle om saam met my na daardie 'moeilike tekste' te gaan kyk, daardie wat jou familie en vriende altyd aanhaal om jou te probeer oortuig dat die Torah nie meer vandag geld nie.

Liewe vriende, elkeen van ons het die verantwoordelikheid om self die Skrifte te ondersoek. Ek bid vir wysheid en onderskeidingsvermoë vir myself en elke persoon wat hierdie teachings lees. Mag YHVH ons almal help om te groei in Sy Waarheid sonder om 'n man soos Paulus sumier te veroordeel. Ons moet altyd onthou hy het 'n klomp briewe aan gemeentes geskryf, net soos ons vandag maak. Hy het sy opinies en interpretasies oor die Skrif met mense gedeel, net soos wat skrywers vandag maak. In sekere briewe kom hy BAIE sterk en veroordelend oor, net soos sommige teachers vandag. Dit sal altyd my pleidooi wees om Paulus te lees en te verstaan in dieselfde konteks as enige ander skrywer. Nêrens in sy briewe verhef hy sy eie skrywes tot Skrif nie, dit was mense se besluite om dit te doen. Kom ons waardeer Paulus vir die kykie wat hy vir ons gee in die lewe en wêreld van die gelowiges van daaardie tyd. Kom ons leer deur hulle foute en kom ons waak daarteen om weereens verdeeldheid in die Liggaam te veroorsaak. Geliefdes, nie een van ons het die volle Waarheid in pag nie ............

Shalom
Madeleine

Galatians proves that we should observe the Torah

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Galatians, what a misunderstood book!

Often, one of the first things a nominal Christian will say when you tell them the law has not been abolished is: "you need to read the book of Galatians!" In spite of the multitude of scriptures in the "New Testament" which demonstrate we should keep Yahweh's law, many understand Paul's letter to Galatians to state otherwise.

In reality, there is not a single verse in the book of Galatians or anywhere in the scripture that would tell us that the law has been abolished. Rather, much to the contrary! The book of Galatians actually proves that while we are not saved by our observance of the Torah (The Hebrew word translated "Law" all throughout the scriptures), true believers will make a sincere effort to walk in its precepts.

In this study we will go through each of the verses in Galatians chapter 2 through chapter 5, which contain the key verses speaking of Yahweh's Torah/law and its place in our life. It is the words in these chapters that are most frequently understood as "abolishing the law". Thus, we will examine them to see if Paul is really making any claim that the law is now abolished and not to be heeded.

Questions answered on
these study pages are:

Did Paul say that the law is abolished?
Was Paul talking about feast and Sabbath days when he said "you observe days, months, times and years?"
Does the Sinai covenant bring us to bondage?
What does it mean to be "under the law?"
Should believers in Messiah be circumcised?
Did Paul rebuke Peter for trying to get Gentiles to keep the Torah?
Are those who observe the Torah under a curse?
Did the law end when the Messiah came to earth?
Almost all of the Christian world regards Paul's letter to the Galatians as "proof" that we need not concern ourselves with keeping Yahweh's Torah/law. This is a major mistake that must be addressed thoroughly. It is often more difficult for a person to 'unlearn error' than to 'learn truth.' For this reason, the studies into the book of Galatians is longer than most.


Galatians chapter 2

After his introduction, the first thing Paul mentioned in his letter to the Galatians was:

Galatians 1:6-9 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Messiah unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Messiah. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

This topic is the subject matter throughout the book of Galatians. The real question in the book of Galatians isn't whether or not we should keep the Torah. The real question is this: What is the "true good news" that Yahushua wants us to proclaim? Does the true "good news" mean that we receive salvation after we have been circumcised and kept the law? Does the true "good news" proclaim salvation through abolishing the law so that our sins are taken away? Or does the true good news simply proclaim that we can receive forgiveness for transgressing that law if we repent and believe in Yahushua...nothing added?

Let's examine:

Galatians 2:1-2 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

This chapter begins with Paul describing his time in Jerusalem with his fellow laborer in the faith, Barnabas. They had gone to Jerusalem to discuss the matter of what the true "gospel/good news" is really supposed to be. What is needful for a person to receive salvation? The 15th chapter in the book of Acts discusses this visit to Jerusalem in detail:

Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Notice carefully that the reason this trip was necessary was due to certain men from Judea teaching the brethren that they would have no salvation unless they were first circumcised. When they brought this doctrine to the apostles and elders in Jerusalem, Peter/Kepha referred to this kind of theology a "a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear":

Acts 15:5-11 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses." 6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: "Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago Elohim chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 "So Elohim, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 "and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 "Now therefore, why do you test Elohim by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Master Yahushua Messiah we shall be saved in the same manner as they."

Peter/Kepha states that all are "saved" through the grace of Yahushua Messiah. As evidenced by this statement, the question they were discussing is whether or not the Gentiles were saved through the grace of Yahushua the Messiah, or by circumcision and keeping commandments. This was also the original question in Acts 15:1.

Kepha said, "we believe that through the grace of the Master Yahushua the Messiah we shall be saved, even as they." His point was that everyone, Jew or Gentile, is saved by grace, not by keeping the law or by circumcision. Even Jews who had been circumcised and kept the law didn't have salvation until they believed in Yahushua. He also said that to make circumcision or Torah/law observance the requirement for salvation would be to "test Elohim." But how would it "test Elohim?"

The testing would be: "Can Yahweh still bring the Gentiles into His flock while making the (quite painful) painful act of adult circumcision, and/or keeping the Torah/law of Yahweh a prerequisite to being saved?" In truth, there was not a man in all the generations of Israel who had ever kept the Torah, so to make the keeping of the Torah a requirement before salvation was not the true "good news" that Yahushua and the apostles were to be teaching.

So Peter, after detailing the proof that Yahweh had accepted the Gentiles in their uncircumcised state (Cornelius received the Spirit in Acts 10), affirmed that both Jews and Gentiles are saved through the grace of Yahushua the Messiah rather than circumcision or any other act of Torah/law observance. The ultimate decision in Acts 15 by James was not to require circumcision for salvation .

So who were these "certain men from Judea" anyway? To properly understand the book of Galatians and the context of Paul's letter, it is important that we have an good understanding of what kind of people Paul was facing. For this reason we will begin to identify the beliefs and characteristics of these "certain men from Judaea." In this study, we will keeping a running list of notable characteristics of these "certain men" as we go along. Here is what we have so far:

So who were these "certain men from Judea" anyway? To properly understand the book of Galatians and the context of Paul's letter, it is important that we have an good understanding of what kind of people Paul was facing. For this reason we will begin to identify the beliefs and characteristics of these "certain men from Judaea." In this study, we will keeping a running list of notable characteristics of these "certain men" as we go along. Here is what we have so far:

They were from Judea. (Acts 15:1)
They were "sect of the Pharisees" (Acts 15:5)
They claimed to be believers in Yahushua. (Acts 15:5)
They believed that one cannot have salvation unless they are first circumcised and/or keep the Torah. (Acts 15:1)
They were vigorous in their belief to the point that they would argue with Paul and Barnabas over it, and even approach the apostles and elders about it. (Acts 15:1,5)
Continuing in Galatians 2:

Galatians 2:2-3 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. 3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

Chronologically, the event Paul is describing (Acts 15) marks the first notice of Titus in scripture. Titus would eventually go on to be Paul's co-laborer and assistant in his ministry with the Corinthians and other places (see letters to the Corinthians & the book of Titus). Titus was among the group that went to Jerusalem and the apostles in Jerusalem did not require him to be circumcised.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Messiah Yahushua, that they might bring us into bondage: 5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Again, the emphasis is placed on the "truth of the gospel/good news" being proclaimed rather than "another gospel." In verse 4, Paul identifies the "certain men from Judea" as "false brethren". We also see they like to work in secret. Another attribute about them can be found in Galatians 6:

Galatians 6:12-13 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Messiah. 13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

So these "false brethren" were actually Torah breakers themselves but they were most interested in circumcising Gentiles so that they could go back to their Pharisee friends and brag about it. The focus on the praise of men was amongst the notable characteristics of some Pharisees of that time:

Matthew 23:4-5a For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men:

What Yahushua said about them continued to be true when Paul wrote this letter to the Galatians. They wanted to throw the weight of having to learn & keep the Torah and getting circumcised upon the necks of Gentiles before they would be accepted as having had salvation, and thus accepted into the fellowship and brotherhood of Messiah. This is not Yahushua's yoke at all.

Let's add these elements to the list of notable characteristics:

They were from Judea. (Acts 15:1)
They were "sect of the Pharisees" (Acts 15:5)
They claimed to be believers in Yahushua. (Acts 15:5)
They believed that one cannot have salvation unless they are first circumcised and/or keep the Torah. (Acts 15:1)
They were vigorous in their belief to the point that they would argue with Paul and Barnabas over it, and even approach the apostles and elders about it. (Acts 15:1,5)
They were actually "false brethren" (Gal 2:4)
They liked to sneak into the assemblies of true brethren to convert them to their own "good news" understanding of how to receive salvation. (Gal 2:4)
They didn't even keep the law themselves. (Gal 6:12-13)
They were interested in circumcising the Gentiles so that they could receive glory from men. (Gal 6:12-13)
Their sect had a history of being focused on "man pleasing" and laying heavy burdens on people that they themselves wouldn't do. (Mat. 23:4-5)
So these Pharisees regarded it as their duty to go to the Gentile believers in Yahushua and try to bring them over to "another gospel" which had their own way of receiving salvation. They apparently viewed the true good news as "bad news" for the future of their sect and they wanted to try and pervert the true good news with their doctrines.

With this understanding of what these "false brethren" were all about, let's continue reading Galatians 2:

Galatians 2:6-10 - But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: Elohim accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me: 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10 Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

So Paul tells the Galatians that the apostles and elders added nothing to the good news that Paul was proclaiming to the Gentiles. In fact, they had agreed to have Paul and Barnabas go to the Gentiles while they went to the Jews. However, Paul next reports that Peter/Kepha and Barnabas got caught up in a form of hypocrisy:

Galatians 2:11-13 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

Both "dissembled" and "dissimulation" in this context mean "hypocrisy" and are translated "hypocrisy" in most translations. But why was it hypocritical? And why was Paul bold enough to rebuke Kepha/Peter, the man who walked with Yahushua for over 3 years?

They had just had the council in Acts 15 and they had all come to Antioch to deliver the decision to the brethren (Acts 15:30-35). When all together at the council, Kepha/Peter and Barnabas both stood with Paul and agreed with the good news they had been proclaiming. So for both of them to withdraw from keeping company with the Gentiles was quite hypocritical. They were standing with the truth that Gentiles were to be accepted into the brotherhood and having salvation in Acts 15, but in practice they were withdrawing and separating themselves from them out of concern for what those of "the circumcision" might say or do.

Peter was especially at fault because he had walked with Yahushua for over 3 years and was chosen by Yahweh to first bring to good news to the Gentiles (Acts 10). At that time he was willing to fellowship with the Gentiles and defended it in Acts 11. So here was a situation where some very important leaders are sinning and causing confusion among the Gentiles by their actions, which was contrary to the decision that was made beforehand. So Paul asks:

Galatians 2:14-15 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel...

(Again we see that the primary issue here is "what is the true gospel [good news]?" Paul rebuked Kepha/Peter for not walking uprightly according to the truth of the good news.)

Galatians 2:14-15 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We [who are] Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Now there are some who like to interpret this as Paul in essence saying "If you are a Jew and have rightly abandoned the law (living like a Gentile), why do you compel the Gentiles to keep the law like a Jew by only eating with the Jews?" Due to this interpretation, it is commonly understood that this is a passage that supports the doctrine of the law being abolished. But verse 15 exposes the fallacy of this interpretation when Paul contrasts the Jews with Gentiles and identifies the Gentiles as being sinners.

So while many think that Paul's statement of Peter "living after the manner of Gentiles" was a positive one, it is actually a negative one because in verse 15 Paul says we are not "sinners of the Gentiles!" In other words Paul was saying, "Peter, how are you ever going to bring the Gentiles (sinners) into living righteous life when you are an acting sinner yourself?" This was a very convicting statement to Peter that exposed his hypocrisy.

So rather than Paul's rebuke being proof that a Gentile should not keep the Torah, it was simply a rebuke that Peter himself was sinning (transgressing the law 1John 3:4) when he chose to fear man over Yahweh, pretending he was going along with a false gospel, and play the hypocrite.

This interpretation is further evidenced when we look into one of the alternative readings in older Greek manuscripts. Consider the comparison here:

The KJV reads: "why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"

The Nestle-Aland Greek text (based on older manuscripts) reads: "How can you compel the Gentiles to live as do the Jews."

So the question wasn't "Why are you over there trying to get Gentiles (Torah breakers) to live like Jews (Torah keepers)? Don't you know the law is abolished?" The real question was "How can you ever compel the Gentiles to keep the Torah (like Jews are supposed to) if you are a sinning yourself?" Both Greek texts are compatible with the latter understanding, but the Nestle-Aland text would contradict the common Christian interpretation of these verses.

Ons vervolg volgende keer!! ☺


YY wrote:
Koos,

It is good to be your friend. Thank you.

In the interests of time (as you know I'm focused on completing the ITG because I think it will help a lot of people come to know Yahowah) I'm going to assume that the author's argument can be summed up with: "In reality, there is not a single verse in the book of Galatians or anywhere in the scripture that would tell us that the law has been abolished." That being the case, it reminds me of my youth as a salesman.

I came to realize that if there were 20 reasons to accept my product over the competition, that I needed to cull the arguments down to the most difficult three to refute, because if I didn't do so, my opponent would focus their entire response on the weakest of my points. I experienced this again while debating Muslims. In a rational and informed world, my competition would lose every time they deployed such an approach because it leaves the most effective arguments uncontested. But we don't live in an informed or rational world, so by muddying the waters on an issue which isn't as easily proved, which requires comprehensive understanding, they not only swayed the audience, but more importantly, they took everyone's attention away from the irrefutable reasons to oppose their position. That is what is happening here.

The fact that Paul claimed to see Yahowsha' on the road to Damascus in light of what Yahowsha' said about individuals who make such claims is game over. The fact that Paul quoted Dionysus during that encounter is game over. The fact that Paul spoke against circumcision is game over. The fact that Paul's one prophecy was wrong is game over. The fact that Paul misquoted the Torah is game over. The fact that Paul said that the Torah could not save is game over. When Paul misstated the events at the Jerusalem Summit, it was game over. When Paul admitted to being demon possessed it was game over. When Paul said that he pretended to be whatever was expedient, it was game over. But if you want to boil it all down to one argument, when Paul wrote of two covenants, not one, with the one memorialized on Mount Sinai being of Hagar and enslaving, the case against him became irrefutable.

As for the author's argument, the opposite is implied throughout Paul's thesis. Emphasizing this, Paul makes the case that the "Law" was not worthless because it was in effect until "Christ." This idea was further underscored by Paul's taskmaster and guardian references. But to appreciate either argument, you need to see Paul's thesis as a whole cloth.

Since the irrefutable argument is Paul's two covenants, I invested a week or more reading hundreds of explanations of Paul's position, and never found anything which even remotely resolved the problem. It is the stake in the heart. It is at that point that I returned to the beginning of the book and started to rewrite QP. There is no way to justify two covenants, much less associating the Torah with Hagar and slavery.

One of the reasons that people get all caught up justifying Paul is because of the way he wrote. Other than speaking against circumcision, he was circuitous by design. So until you understand his ploy, the half truths which permeate his arguments can be taken out of context and misinterpreted.

I hope this helps. Shabat Shalowm to all of our brothers and sisters in South Africa.

In Yah's Name,

YY
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#267 Posted : Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:31:53 AM(UTC)
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M wrote:
Hi Yada,

How are you doing? Its been a while since Ive written to you. I listen to your radio program almost everyday, I download it onto my phone or Ipod and listen to it on my way to work, thought im a little backtracked by a few days...its still great. I have just finished listening to your 12th Aug prog.
Thank you very much for all the insight you share. Im still trying to collect some cash to get Logos, itll be a few months before I buy it. I have left all the Church ministries that I was involved in like a 2 months ago. After the leadership called me a kook and false teacher (for rejecting Paul and questioning the credibility of the Bible), I realized how the religious mindset cant be changed , even if you present proof.


Anyways, Looks like all those years of asking God to keep me from being deceived has led me to the Yadayah site.
I have a small question. Maybe you can answer it on the next show you do on the radio.

You say God hates religion...And he hates anything religious...why is it that we have a temple in the Torah, with preists, and sacrifices, and all sorts of weird religious items ..like the temple treasure, aarons breastplate, the minorah (candle stand) the ark etc Arent these religious?

Maybe I dont understand it conceptually, or maybe our corrupted english translations have robbed it of all propper meaning.
Can you elaborate.
BTW i do know temple is beyt in Hebrew...but then why have all this in your home.

I ask this because, its one of those things people ask me when I tell em YHWH hates religion.

I look forward to your thoughts on these.

Yah bless,
M


Yada wrote:
I am happy for you M. By leaving Christianity you are doing as Yah requested. And your Christian "friends" are doing as God predicted they would. They are adverse to Yahowah's Word, Name, Torah, Covenant, Instructions, and Invitations and to those who speak on Yah's behalf. So when you stand for these things, they stand against you.

As you know, the "Temple" is actually a beyth, which is the Hebrew word for family and home. Yah's home and family is based upon the Covenant (beryth) and the teachings of the Torah (towrah - guidance). The menorah is symbolic of Yah's light and of His six plus one plan of salvation which facilitates our admission into Yah's Home. The "sacrifices" aren't sacrifices at all because the nourishing part of the animal is consumed by the family and only the inedible portions are burned. And each of these serve to foreshadow, explain, and reinforce Yah's promise to save us. The "Ark of the Covenant" is from ar'own beryth, and it means "enlightened freewill regarding the family oriented covenant relationship" in Hebrew, and thus speaks of us coming to understand the terms and conditions of the Covenant so that we can make an informed choice on whether or not to participate. So, like the words of the Torah, each of these things paints a picture which when viewed from the proper perspective enables us to know, understand, and rely upon Yahowah. As such, they are symbols of the relationship.

Those who ask you these questions do so hypocritically, because they themselves don't have any of the things Yahowah speaks of in their churches--and they do not observe any of Yahowah's "sacrifices." Their churches and religion are instead filled with pagan religious images, holidays, and rites first used in Babylon. So even if God designated these things "religious" (which wouldn't be possible because there is no Hebrew word for "religion"), they aren't doing anything God said. I hope you see the irony in that, because they don't. (By using this argument, even if they were right, they would be wrong. And that is how I would answer them.)

I have attached the most current version of the Introduction to God.

Yada
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#268 Posted : Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:38:04 AM(UTC)
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T wrote:
Hi,
Yada quite often repeats on his radio show that the name Jesus (Christe)
was invented in the 17th century or so.

I looked into Biblia Sacra Vulgata (Matthaeus) and saw the
following:
“1liber generationis Iesu Christi filii David filii Abraham”
Although I know no Latin at all, it seems evident that “Iesu
Christi filii” means Jesus Christ.

Similarly, I looked into The Wycliffe Bible (Book of Mark) and saw
the following:
“1 The bigynnyng of the gospel of Jhesu Crist, the sone of God.”
Evidently, this version also uses the name Jesus.

Vulgata was completed in 405 and The Wycliffe Bible in 1395.
Therefore, I have no reason to believe that Yada is correct.
Please could you ask Yada to explain this discrepancy on his radio
show?

(The quotation form Vulgata was taken from
http://www.biblegateway.com and the quotation form The Wycliffe
Bible from http://www.studylight.org)

Thanks.
Best regards

T
from Prague.


Yada wrote:
Hello T,

Thanks for listening in Prague. It is one of Europe's most beautiful cities.

To be specific, I state that the name "Jesus" was first used in the mid to late 17th century, which is when the English "J" was first deployed. This is a statement of irrefutable fact. Search the history of the letter J, and you will discover the same thing. In fact, in the first half of the 17th century, the King James Bible was called the King Iames.

Your Wycliffe citation is not accurate, because all Wycliffe did was translate the Vulgate into Anglo Saxon, thus from and to alphabets without a letter "J" or j sound. You can prove this for yourself by examining photographs of surviving copies of his text and old MSS of the Vulgate. So once you've done this, you'll no longer be misled by "http://www.studylight.org." This point is proved conclusively in the Name section of the Introduction to God.

Turning to the Vulgate citation, Iesu is not pronounced "Jesus." It is pronounced I - ee - su. Both are wrong. The English J, unlike the Norse version, is pronounced with a very hard G sound.

As for "(Christe)" I consistently say that Christ, as in "Jesus Christ," is wrong on every account, including the fact that it was never intended as a name. But I've always said that this corruption emerged much earlier. It made its way into the text itself in the early fourth century. The many, many reasons Christ is wrong are also detailed in the Name section of the Introduction to God. I have attached it for your consideration.

Moreover, the fact that Jerome wrote Iesu Christi in Latin does not make Iesu Christi correct. The Disciples universally deployed Placeholders, and Yahowah wrote ha Ma'aseyah for the title and Yahowsha' for the name. That gives you three sources to consider, only one of which is irrefutable.

Yada

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#269 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2011 3:32:36 AM(UTC)
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A wrote:
Good afternoon, I just have a quick question on a statement made in Chapter IV: Salvation. About halfway down it states:

"The same consonants vocalized differently designate the Ma'sehyah's occupation.
Boneh means "craftsman, a builder who erects." Yahushua was a stone mason."

In Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3 reference is made to "the carpenter's son", so it would seem Yahushua's occupation followed that of his earthly father, no?
If he was a wood worker, where does the idea of "stone mason" derive?

Thank you for your response. I just stumbled on your website a few days ago and it resonates well with me. I appreciate the dedication and thoroughness of the presentation, but since I have no background in any language other than the English and Spanish with which I am familiar, the message as presented is fascinating. I will certainly study it through several times.


yada wrote:
Greek is always suspect, as is the whole of the Christian NT, but beyond this, homes in Yisra'el were mostly constructed of stone, not wood.

I've attached the Introduction to God which while not yet complete, is more insightful regarding Hebrew and the Torah.

Yada


A wrote:

Thank you for answering back so quickly.
If you don't mind, I have a question regarding Chapter 3 of "Questioning Paul". I truly appreciate your insights here - I have read these books so many times but never connected Galatians to Acts 15, or understood why Paul is so upset in that letter. I realize how shallow we can become by simply skimming the scriptures and assuming we know them, when really most of us never study deep enough. I have become complacent, and your work has really prompted me to read deeper, and for that I thank you.

Having said that, I can't get past this chapter now that I have read Acts 15 and Galatians side by side, over and over. I am hung up on a section near the end of the chapter where you write,

"Then contrary to Paul’s claim that everyone was accepting of the uncircumcised condition of his Greek associate Titus (in Galatians 2:3), we find that the elders strongly encouraged circumcision, calling it "necessary." And that means that Paul’s eighth recollection, that he was only told to "remember the poor," was also untrue. He was told to remember the Torah generally and circumcision specifically.
Now, let’s see if the agreement allegedly reached in the meeting to divide the world, limiting Peter to the circumcised, while granting Paul authority over every other nation and race was accurately represented. Luke writes: "And then (te) demonstrating leadership (sunago – drawing people together; from sun, with, and ago, to lead), the Apostles (apostolos – those who were prepared and sent out; speaking specifically of Yahushua’s Disciples) and (kai) the elders (presbuteros), clearly saw, considered, and paid attention (horao – perceived, recognized, and were aware) concerning (peri – because of and with regard to) this (toutou) Word (legos – statement, reason, account, declaration, affirmation, treatise, decree, and mandate)." (Acts 15:6) In other words, the Apostles and elders supported the men who stood up and affirmed the Torah—the Word of God—placing all of them at odds with Paul."

As I read this meeting in Acts 15, it seems clear that the sequence of events is described as follows:
1) Paul and Barnabas arrive in Jerusalem
2) they were received by church, apostles and elders
3) they reported all that God had done with them
4) some of the Pharisees object and insist on circumcision, as per the Torah
5) the apostles and elders break off and confer on the matter, while Paul and Barnabas continue talking with the church bretheren
6) during the meeting, after much debate, Peter stands up and reminds them of his encounter with Cornelius (Acts 10), and how God gave them (the uncircumcised) the Holy Spirit, "cleansing their heart by faith", just as He had (to the circumcised) at Pentecost, signifying no distinction between Jew and Gentile, as both are "saved by the grace of our Savior". (By the way, in Acts 10, I read that Cornelius and his family are baptised, but there is no mention of him or any of his males being circumcised according to the Torah.)
7) James waits for Paul and Barnabas to finish their presentation to the church, then addresses them all and relates Peter's argument, reminding them of Amos 9:11
8) They draft a letter to the Gentile congregations saying not to be troubled, they have met and agree not to burden them
9) They send Paul and Barnabas off to relate the message, along with Judas and Silas.

I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with your statement that the elders "stood up and affirmed the Torah... placing all of them at odds with Paul." The text seems clearly to relate exactly the opposite, with the meeting ending with Paul vindicated, and the Pharisees opposed. I agree with you that Paul went too far in calling these Pharisees "false bretheren", as they are clearly accepted by Peter and the others as believers. Perhaps they were still clinging on to their old ways and had not made the clean cut as had Paul. But then, they did not have the same dramatic encounter on the way to Damascus, so I can understand. And yes, Paul is obviously a quick temper, something that I can easily relate to, because I have many times responded with heat and fury only to be made a fool of when I calmed down.

Anyway, the point is that I come away with an entirely different conclusion that the one you present, which makes the rest of your presentation waver. But I realize that you address this Damascus encounter later on, and I will continue reading the rest of your book with an open mind and heart, and allow the Holy Spirit to lead me to whatever truths are to be learned or errors discarded. Perhaps I have not read far enough and my criticism here is premature. Your help in untangling this for me is appreciated. Thank you.


Yada wrote:
A

Feel free to disagree on this point. It is one of a thousand brought against Paul. If I'm wrong about it (and keep in mind that my conclusion isn't based upon a single verse), there are 999 more arguments. And one alone, the case Paul made for two covenants with the one commemorated on Mt. Sinai being associated with slavery, is sufficient in and of itself to condemn Paul forever.

If you see an entire case against Paul waver on this one point, then we have an entirely different perspective--especially since the evidence presented in both Gal and Acts is so suspect (as both came from Paul). In the case against Paul, there are some 100 absolute and irrefutable arguments and 900 arguments which incriminate. All contribute to the case against him and help expose his ploy. But all too often, people focus on the weaker arguments and thus fail to appreciate the stronger ones. And that is the problem with being comprehensive.

Yada


A wrote:
Yada

Good evening. Sorry it's taken so long to answer back, my opportunities for study are only a couple days a week. It's hard enough to remember the context of a conversation with responses coming so far between so I left the body of our conversation intact below.

You may be right that I am fixated on a weaker argument, but that's just because it is the argument I'm on at the moment. I'll get to the others and might well have to agree with you that Paul is a false prophet, but I'm not there yet.

yada wrote:
A,

To engage in a relationship with God a person must first walk away from their religion. It is the prerequisite of the Covenant. And while one very small thing can trigger this choice, walking away from beliefs is usually the result of a big picture argument. But in your case, I'm concerned that rather than using this weaker argument to trigger you to question your religion and then reject it, you may be using it as an excuse to cling to it. If that is the case, I cannot help you.


As God has done for me many a time, by coincidence (is it ever?) this subject was brought up in a sermon on XM radio by Dr. David Jeremiah the very week I was studying this, and it drove your point home. In his sermon, Dr. Jeremiah focused on exactly this disagreement in Galatians, and he ended the sermon by praising Paul for having the courage to stand up and challenge anyone, even Peter. He even had his congregation cheering Paul as the victor in this skirmish with one of the disciples of Yehshua. Now, I have always liked Dr. Jeremiah and his sermons, but this really bugged me and it always has. Where are we more likely to find a clearer understanding of truth - with Paul, who helped put the Messiah to death or with the very ones that lived, ate, drank and breathed with the Messiah for all those years? I admit that I have never felt comfortable with the way this confrontation went down, but until now I have just left it lingering in the back of my mind.

Yada wrote:
I have a better idea, one in keeping with Yahowah's Instructions. Dispense with your faith and feelings, even your preferences, and dispense with Paul, and seek answers exclusively in the Torah, Prophets, and Writings. Then you will never be misled by Christians or their sermons.


Having said that, I want to be fair. I was right to say that my question was posed to you prematurely, because you answered it in the very next chapter. In your analysis of the meeting in Jerusalem in Acts 15, you write that Paul interrupted Peter as he stands up to address the elders and the other disciples, implying that it is Paul speaking in verse 10 and 11. I don't see Paul doing any such thing, the text seems clearly to indicate that it is Peter speaking the whole time, uninterrupted, while Paul and Barnabas are over talking to the rest of the congregation, passing time waiting for the meeting to be over.

Yada wrote:
That is indeed the Christian interpretation of this very poorly worded account by a person who was not actually there, one writing in a language which was not spoken by the attendees. Having thought about it, I simply don't agree. But more than this, I don't care. I don't look to Peter or Paul (or Luke who wrote Acts) for answers. And therein is the bottom line of this issue.

Yes, in writing Questioning Paul, I was interested in learning what was said, and by whom it was said, but not for the reasons you care about these things. You want to know whom to trust, who was right, Paul or Peter. But I don't trust either. I only trust Yahowah. He alone is right on these issues. Neither Paul's nor Peter's opinion matters, unless either contradicts Yah, and then it must be exposed and condemned.


Now, given the size and scope and effort you have put into your presentation, this may seem like a small issue and not worth the time, but, if you will allow me to get personal, I'll tell you why this is so important to me.

Yada wrote:
I'm sorry, but it isn't worth my time or yours, and it isn't important, for the reasons expressed above. Invest your time coming to understand the Torah - Teaching of Yahowah instead. That is important. And in that light, I've attached the Introduction to God which focuses on the Torah.


My parents have been divorced for 33 years now. They split when I was 12, live five miles apart and have not said three words to each other in all that time. The hurt is so deep that even now, three decades later, speaking about the other is like ripping off a scab and the wound bleeds as fresh as if the indiscretion had happened yesterday. The problem is, there was no indiscretion. They hate each other for something that never happened, because what began as a simple lack of communication just helped feed what was already in their heart to believe. They know this now, but the damage is done and neither of them will drop their pride and make peace.

I was a risk manager and safety officer for many years, and I can't tell you how many times during an investigation I found that one simple mistake laid a cracked foundation that was built upon, layer upon layer, which inevitably lead to a faulty conclusion. The foundation must be solid or the entire structure built upon it is in danger. So it is with reasoning - if the base argument is a mis-reading, then all statements built upon it may lead to a conclusion that is unwarrented.

Yada wrote:
Base your decision on the big issues then, upon Paul's two covenants, with the one documented on Mt Sinai, aka the Torah, being of the flesh and enslaving. That's hardly a "simple mistake." Or if you prefer, consider Paul's testimony on his conversion, his trip to heaven, or him being demon possessed. Or just study Paul's words on circumcision and compare them to Yahowah's. You are missing the big picture by focusing upon a gnat.


For example, at the end of your chapter on Pesach you blend Matthew 7:12-13 as saying, "For then this is the Torah and the Prophets: begin by entering through the narrow, exacting, and specific doorway...". However, every translation I read says, "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." Verse 12 then ends with a period and verse 13 takes up anew. This seems clearly to support Paul when he says that Love is the fulfillment of the Law and Prophets, just as Yehshua reduced the ten commandments to just two.

Yada wrote:
I wrote the Pesach chapter many, many years ago, and have not yet edited it based upon what I've learned. It will be edited when I complete the Introduction to God. That said, while I haven't looked at that translation in a very long time, and thus do not know if it is accurate or not, I know that most everything Paul wrote contradicts what Yahowsha' said.

But since you brought it up, and since I did translate much of the Sermon on the Mount in Questioning Paul, here is how the passage appears in Chapter 1 - Chrestus. These translations were done less than two years ago at a time I was focusing on Greek. I am confident that they are accurate. (However, I have learned while writing the ITG that while Yahshua is not wrong, Yahowsha' is better.)

QP wrote:
Speaking to those who are willing to invest the time required to know the truth, Yahshua said: "Ask, making an earnest request, and it shall be given as a gift to you. Seek, searching for knowledge, and you will discover and experience it, know the truth and find what you are looking for. Knock, requesting acceptance at the door, and it will be opened for you, and you will be granted entrance to the place you desire and will be given access to understanding. For then all who make an earnest request receive, they will be acquired and accepted, and they will be taken by the hand and carried away. And those who search for the location and for knowledge, who desire to learn, will know the truth and find the place they wish to experience. Those who request acceptance at the door, they will be granted entrance and given access to understanding."
"What man is there among you, when his son shall ask him for a loaf, will give him as stone? Or if he should ask for a fish, would give him a snake? If then you being morally corrupt know and understand how to give good, valuable, and generous gifts to your children, how much more by way of contrast will your Father who is in heaven produce and give valuable, good, and generous gifts to those who ask Him?" (Mattityahu/Matthew 7:7-11)
Yahshua would conclude His Sermon on the Mount with this announcement: "For then this is the Torah and the Prophets: begin by entering through the narrow, exacting, and specific doorway because the passageway is crafted to be wide, artificial, and unreliable, and the way of life is wide open which deceives and influences someone to go astray to the point of destruction and perishing, needlessly squandering their existence, and the vast preponderance of people start the first step in their journey through it. The doorway is exacting and specific, and the way of life is unpopular, which leads to life, and few experience it." (Mattityahu/ Matthew 7:12-14) Therefore, if Yahshua (Yahweh’s human manifestation) was telling the truth, the Torah is the lone path to life, and all other paths lead to destruction. And paths which "needlessly squander a person’s existence" would include faith-based paths.
But this also means that popular paths—and there are none more popular than Christianity—lead to the death and destruction of those who follow their edicts. This is a profoundly important truth few Christians consider. And yet it is the reason, the only reason, we are examining Paul and his letter to the Galatians.
As an interesting aside, Yahshua’s instructions regarding eternal life tell us to "begin by entering through a specific doorway." And that is because the first of seven steps to our salvation begins by answering Yahweh’s summons to walk through the doorway labeled "Passover." This blood-smeared doorway which initiated the exodus from the crucible of Egypt, and the liberation of God’s Chosen People from their enslavement in oppressive human political and religious schemes, represents heaven’s portal. Yahshua is the doorway, the living embodiment of Passover, the first of seven steps to the final result, which is camping out with God.
But Yahshua was not yet finished warning Christians not to disregard the Torah. With these words, he would tell them not to trust Paul: "You must be alert, carefully examine, prosecute, and turn away (prosechete – you should pay close attention, watch out for and beware of, guarding yourself) from false prophets who come to you from within dressed in sheep’s clothing, yet they actually are wolves who are exceptionally self-promoting and self-serving (harpax – vicious carnivorous thieves who secretly and deliberately rob, extort, and snatch away; from harpazo: to violently, forcibly, and eagerly claim and seize for oneself and pluck away)." (Mattityahu/Matthew 7:15)
Yahshua could not have made this message any clearer for you. He told you what you could rely upon and who you should not trust. He just said that a self-serving insider would feign an alliance with Him so that he could more easily snatch souls away from God. He was speaking about Paul—and those who have allied themselves with him.
"Indeed as a result, you will completely know, recognize, and understand (epiginosko – complete and accurate understanding based upon a thorough examination of the evidence) them from their fruit, from their results and harvests. Not all those calling Me "Lord Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven, but to the contrary, those in heaven are those who do My Father’s will (thelema – do what He decided and proposed [read: who observe Yahweh’s Torah]). Many will say to Me in this specific day, "Lord, Lord, did we not speak inspired utterances and prophesy in Your name and drive out demons in Your name, and perform many mighty miracles in Your name?’ And then at that time, I will profess to them that I never acknowledged, recognized, understood, or associated with them. You all must leave and depart from Me, those who bring about that which is Torah-less (anomia – Lawless)." (Mattityahu/Matthew 7:20-23) Are you listening?
"All of those who really listen to and actually hear My words and who do as I have said, they are like a sensible and wise, intelligent and prudent, man who builds, edifies, and strengthens a family home upon the rock (petra – a reference to Shim’owm Kephas (a.k.a. Petros - Peter) and to Himself as the Rock of our Salvation). And rain descended and the rivers came, and also the tempestuous wind blew, and yet their family and household did not fall down or prostrate themselves because the established foundation was upon the rock." (Mattityahu/Matthew 7:24-25) While Christians will tell you that Paul won the argument he had with Peter over the importance of the Torah, Yahshua begs to differ.
Since this introductory chapter was written to frame the issues which are at stake, let’s pause a moment and consider the options at your disposal regarding Paul’s Scriptural misquotes. You can ignore them based upon the notion that you believe that I have misrepresented Paul’s or Yahweh’s statements. But this approach is easily resolved. Flip forward to the "Towrah – Prescriptions" chapter where every Hebrew and Greek word delineated in these passages is displayed so that you can do your own due diligence and verify the text and the translations for yourself. Or simpler yet, just compare standard English translations of the Scripture passage and Sha’uwl’s quotation and note the differences.
Since the first option is a nonstarter, you can accept the fact that the citations are different, but attribute their divergence to an inadvertent mistake on Paul’s part. But if you do, you must also abandon the notion that Paul’s letters are Scripture—the inerrant Word of God. And with that realization, the foundation of Christianity crumbles.
You can admit that there is a pattern of malfeasance with regard to all of Paul’s Scriptural citations, and recognize that they are misquoted and then twisted to support Pauline Doctrine, which means that he intended to misrepresent them. But if you take this path, you will be compelled to label Paul a false witness. And at that point, Christianity becomes a false religion.
Since the last two options were devastating, and the initial one was invalid, you could blame the mistakes on scribal error, suggesting that Paul’s Scriptural quotations were correct initially, but then believe that over time, scribes inadvertently misrepresented his words, creating a false impression. But this is a slippery slope. The oldest significant codex of Renewed Covenant is Papyrus 46, which is dated between 85 and 125CE, thirty-five to seventy-five years after the epistle was scribed, and it contains a complete copy of most all of Paul’s epistles. If it isn’t reliable, then nothing in the Renewed Covenant is reliable—as there is only one superior witness, Papyrus 75 which covers Luke and John, and it was scribed one-hundred years later. Therefore, if scribes significantly altered Paul’s letters during this relatively small period of time, the list of appropriately supported and reliable Renewed Covenant books would shrink to two: portions of Luke and John. The rest, based as they are on far less reliable and far more recent manuscripts, would be far too suspect to believe. And of course, that would mean that the Torah, Prophets, and Psalms would still stand, as they would be unchallenged.
Or you can take the quietly popular, albeit seldom articulated, Christian position regarding these misquotes—one derived from Marcion in the early second century. He concluded that the God who inspired the Torah was mean spirited, and no longer relevant—a position which many Christians hold, even if they are too timid to voice it. As such, Marcion nullified the Torah by encapsulating it within a collection which he labeled the "Old Testament," and thus suggested that it was the will of a now deceased, or at least irrelevant deity. Marcion believed that Paul was the only true Apostle, and that he alone spoke for the new and improved God of his "New Testament." Paul’s letters were canonized as a result, and Sha’uwl of Tarsus was thereby empowered to correct the errors that the old God had made. As a result, Paul’s new faith forever separated believers: from Yahweh, from God’s first four Commandments, from six of His seven Called-Out Assemblies, from the Chosen People and the Promised Land, and from Yahweh’s Word—His Towrah.
Beyond the fact that this makes a man’s opinions more important than God’s Word, the Messiyah Yahshua’s testimony is in complete harmony with Yahweh and it is in total conflict with Sha’uwl’s epistles. Simply stated, the Christian position is unsupportable; it is ignorant and irrational. So the question remains: are you?


This passage is considered again in the 6th, 9th, 11th, and 12th chapters of QP. There is no part of this discussion which supports Paul's interpretation.


I appreciate your dedication to being comprehensive, and I certainly have no background in Hebrew and Greek to put up any kind of challenge, but I have a fixation on accuracy and so I have to question when I read a conclusion that seems based on what may be a simple misunderstanding. If this small point is off, will other points based on this be off?

Yada wrote:
Don't say on one hand that you have a fixation on accuracy, and on the other that you haven't bothered to check the Greek text. Moreover, if you actually had a fixation on accuracy regarding Yahowah, you'd study the Torah and learn Hebrew. That way you wouldn't be reliant on others, nor be subject to simple misunderstandings.


In this case, the stakes are astonomical. If you are right, my entire Christian life up to this point is in question. I know you know what Yehshua said regarding "causing one of these little ones to stumble", so I know you are dead serious about your work. But I also know that it is very possible, in a moment of passion, to see something that might not be there if the conclusion is already in your heart to accept. I don't mean to be presumptious, but I imagine your own foundation was shaken as your belief in Paul unraveled, and once the image is tainted, everything touching it seems tainted. Does Paul have anything good to say? Are all his letters just demonic heresies? Did he fool all the other disciples? Did Barnabas not see miracles happen while by his side? Maybe you address all of this, I just need to read further.

Yada wrote:
So, since the stakes are astronomical, start studying the Torah in Hebrew. Begin by buying an interlinear, a copy of the DSS, and five or more lexicons. Or, better yet, buy Logos software.

Your second sentence reveals the problem, Adrian. You are not willing to admit that your entire Christian life has to be questioned, and then rejected. You cannot know Yahowah or engage in a relationship with Him until you are willing to leave your religion in your past.

Just as "Jesus" is wrong, so is "Yehshua." Don't use it.

Your argument now is ad hominem, and thus irritating and irrelevant. You have stooped to the level of the religious to dismiss the evidence contained in Questioning Paul to a fleeting moment of passion. Worse, I came to the conclusions from the opposite perspective. But as for passion, since Yahowah is passionate about boldly exposing and condemning lies, so am I.

Your suggestion that "my own foundation was shaken as my belief in Paul unraveled," could not be further from the truth. My foundation is based upon Yahowah and His Towrah, so it was strengthened by rejecting Paul. It is one of the best things which has ever happened to me, because it cleared away so much of the gunk which was corrupting my view of God.

All liars mix truth with lies. So while Paul says some things which are true, such statements only make his lies more beguiling. This is how Satan works.

So long as you look to Paul for answers, and not Yahowah, you will never know God. Paul's writings lead in the opposite direction.


It is actually hard now to go back and read your earlier chapters in Yada Yahweh, knowing how you have come to regard Paul, because you make so many passionate points from Paul's letters. I have to wonder how much of that work you consider valid now, and I almost want to wait for your final edit to see how many of your original conclusions will still be left standing when its over.

Yada wrote:
Yes, some 5% of Yada Yahweh included quotes from Paul. I was wrong to do so. But the answer to your question is that everything which was based upon the Towrah, Prophets, and Psalms is valid. That which was not, save Yahowsha's words, is either invalid or unsubstantiated. With the exception of Paul's letters, the fact that the Covenant has not yet been renewed, and the proper pronunciation of Yahowah and Yahowsha', most everything written in Yada Yahweh is consistent with what I've learned writing the Introduction to God.


But I will keep reading and studying, because so much of what you present resonates with the way I have felt for years, like I have been missing something. I was born and raised a Catholic, but abandoned that in my teens for the obvious contradictions found by just a plain reading of scripture. I was "saved" in a pentecostal church service with two guys standing over me trying to get me to pray in tongues, but I would not because it felt forced. When I married, my wife's family was Baptist and I eventually was baptised there, but until recently I never admitted to anyone that it was the worst day of my life. I came out of that water expecting joy and was mortified to be sitting alone, dripping wet in the back room, feeling as empty and abandoned by God as Yehshua when He said "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" She died of cancer thirteen years ago, and I remarried an amazing, God-fearing woman who was raised in a passionately Apostolic church in Mexico. She and my oldest step-daughter pray in tongues, and, while we have had major disagreements on what scripture says about this, my wife is genuine and loves God with all her heart. There is nothing fake or pretentious about her, or the people who attend her church. They are beautiful, God-fearing people but I am still not comfortable there, although I feel a step closer than before. They do not celebrate Christmas or Easter, they loathe the Catholic church, and she even refuses for us to wear wedding bands because they do not want to be associated with anything that may have a pagan origin. My son is a passionate Christian, a solid and honorable young man and a talented musician and Christian song-writer. He goes to a Baptist church but went full tilt into Calvinism, and we have had more than one loud disagreement on the subject. But then I have heard some of the "Christian" music his friends listen to now, and I can't tell if they are so close to Christ as to be genius or are so deceived they can't see it.

Yada wrote:
Part way out is better than fully immersed. But Yahowah does not grade on the curve. You will have to completely leave Christianity to know God. But at least, you appear to be headed in the right direction.


All I want to do is find the truth, and my experience as an accident investigator leads me to search as close as possible to the origin - to the beginning, to the very words of Yahweh and connect the dots all the way to Yehshua and beyond. My son thinks I insult God by constantly questioning, as it indicates a lack of faith. But I say let the facts be seen in bright daylight and let the chips fall where they may.

Yada wrote:
If this is true, then you are going to have to start learning Hebrew and start observing the Torah. There is no other way.

The attached Introduction to God will get you started, but eventually you are going to have to study on your own.

Yada



Thank you once again for your hard work towards the same endeavor, and may God bless your efforts.

A
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W wrote:
Hi

I love your writings and I think you have immense insight. I however have something to share about ciscumcision and the blue thread in the Tzittzit.

In “The Owners Manual” P16-17 you talk about cicumcision being “only for the Jews”. What about scripture in the tanach that talks about foreigners wanting to partake in the Pesach, having to be circumcised? Also “There will be one law for the Bein Yisrael and the foreigner that dwells with you” ?

Also in the same book, pg 19, you mention the blue thread and that it shows to Messiah. I have no doubt about that but do you know about the “tradition” (I know...) that says that the commandments were written on Blue stone? That’s why it’s a blue thread in the white tassel, to remind them of the blue law.

Just thought it maight interest you

Shalom


KP wrote:
Hi, W:
Your observations are quite correct, of course. But the reasons behind it all sort themselves out only if we keep firmly in mind that every precept in the Torah was designed as a universal symbol---a revelation of some larger truth---and that Israel was tasked to present those symbols to the world.
Before Yahshua appeared (some 1,500 years after the Torah was given), gentile believers had no way to express their faith other than through Israel, for the symbols had not yet come to fruition. So it made perfect sense that if you wanted to live among the people of Israel, you had to assume the same role, that of presenter of the signs (as opposed to that of "audience"). But if you became a believer who did not live among the Jews---Naaman the Syrian comes to mind as an example---keeping the literal Torah was not required (though embracing what the symbols signified was still the heart of one's faith). The last thing Yahweh wanted, however, would have been for believing gentiles living in Israelite society to practice religious traditions they'd made up themselves.
There are subtle hints throughout the Torah of Yahweh's structural distinction between Israel and the nations. One is the arrangement of the covering layers for the tabernacle (see Vol II, chapter 4, starting at about Precept #712). The strips were to be grouped as two sub-assemblies, indicative, I believe, of Israel and the believing nations (later known as the ekklesia). Or note the number of rams to be sacrificed during the eight days of the Feast of Tabernacles---two every day until the last, when the number drops to one. Why? Because for the first seven days of the miqra (indicative of the tenure of mortal man upon the earth), Israel is seen as distinct from the believing nations, so the ram (the Messiah, the "leader of the flock") is actually the leader of two distinct "flocks." (See John 10:16)But on the eighth day (the eternal state, after all of the symbols have been fulfilled) any distinction between Israel and the nations will no longer be needed, thus only one ram is presented. Speaking of (or to) His Messiah, Yahweh explains:"I am Yahweh; I have called You in righteousness. I will take You by the hand and keep You. I will give You (1) as a covenant for the people [i.e., Israel---and remember, circumcision is the sign of this very covenant], and (2) a light for the nations." (Isaiah 42:6) This functional distinction between Israel and the nations has existed since the call of Abram, and will continue until the last mortal human has received the immortal, spiritual, eternal body God has prepared for him.
So what circumcision means---the separation, the cutting off of our sin---is, was, and always will be germane to all people. But the rite itself, the physical sign, is intended for Israel only.

I did not know of the "blue stone" tradition, but it makes perfect sense to me, assuming it's based on true history. The blue thread in the tsitzit singles out "one among many"---a fairly transparent metaphor for Yahshua the Messiah (and perhaps symbolic of the fact that He was to be born an Israelite). But what the Jews miss is that the Law also reveals the Messiah---He is the raison d'etre behind every precept in the Torah, even the "practical" stuff. So it's not that the blue thread points toward the Law, it's that the blue thread and the Law both point toward the same external reality. It's like a road sign and a mark on a map both referring to the same place. The map doesn't point out the road sign, but to the same place to which the sign points.


Thanks for the "blue stone" insight. May Yahweh bless you.


KP


W wrote:
Hi Yada

Thank you for your honesty relating to Ken Power. I have been in conflict with Paul myself for quite some time now and however I look at his writings, I cannot help but ask “Why do we have to decipher Paul’s writings, when writings from other Disciples/Apostles are straight forward”, especially when Paul states that he “did not come with wisdom of words” to the Corinthians.

I feel like you do, that we cannot use Paul’s letters for deteriming doctrine. They are not trustworthy. I have to agree with Priscilla that Paul is stark raving ‘mad.’

I forward you KP's reply on my statements about circumcision and the blue thread in the Tzit-Tzits.

Hope to speak to you more often.

Regards


Yada wrote:
W,

I remain very encouraged to see so many people like yourself come to the realization that Paul was a false prophet. It's long past time that we stop trying to decipher and excuse his writings and start exposing and condemning them. As you know, they are not trustworthy.

Ken's position is required by those who believe Paul, as I once did, but it is in direct conflict with Yahowah's Towrah testimony which clearly states that even foreigners must be circumcised of the flesh to participate in Passover and the Covenant, as well as to enter heaven. It is one thing to interpret or subjectively ignore Paul's words to one's liking, but another altogether to ignore and interpret Yah's. His testimony on circumcision does not give us the opportunity to choose between symbolic circumcision, spiritual circumcision, or circumcision of the flesh. It is all three.

I love KP. I loved working with KP. In many, many areas, KP's knowledge is much greater than my own. And KP's character is astonishingly high by any standard. I respect and appreciate much of what he has to say. But not when it comes to conflicts between Yahowah and Paul. As I read his response to you on circumcision/Israel, comparisons to Christian theologians came to mind. They have created complex strategies to justify rejecting the Torah's specific instructions, just as KP has now done. What's next: the Covenant, Passover, Unleavened Bread, the Shabat? They are all symbolic too.

I wish there were some way to reach KP, to awaken him, regarding Paul, but every attempt I've made just made him angry. We have had meaningful disagreements in the past, but they were all eventually resolved as we aligned our thinking with Yah's testimony. But I am not hopeful that KP will even consider the possibility that Paul was the wolf in sheep's clothing. He continues to dig himself in deeper. It is very sad.

Yes, circumcision is symbolic. So is everything Yah says as words themselves are symbols. And yes, Yisra'el is different than Gowym. Yah even makes a distinction between Yisra'el and Yahuwdah. So while understanding the symbolism is often the most important thing, we still have to do what Yahowah asks to be saved and to engage in the covenant.

Now that does not mean that we have to obey the Torah's every rule. There is no Hebrew word for obey. And Torah does not mean "law," or even "rules." Dowd, who we know as David, violated many of Yah's Towrah instructions and yet he is not only considered righteous, he is our Heavenly Father's favored child. This would not be possible if Dowd had not acted upon the Towrah's guidance regarding the terms and conditions of the Covenant (one of which is to walk away from religion and another requires circumcision) and also as part of the Covenant's requirements walked to God along the path Yahowah provided to become perfect. The 119th Psalm is a celebration of this reality.

If you read the attached Introduction to God, which includes a comprehensive review of the 119th Psalm, please share any suggestions or questions you may have.

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W wrote:
Good morning brothers in Messiah

This morning was one of great surprise and some deep thought. (and now maybe some confusion)

I will try to be coherend as I think of how my thoughts developed and took course about this mornings’ insights. I was reading about the two schools of the Pharisees in the time of Messiah, Hillel and Shammai. How Messiah had quoted Hillel, and that Shammai did not want the Gentiles to ‘come into the faith’. I then also read about the Noaide laws given to all men.

Yada wrote:
If you are equating the Ma'aseyah Yahowsha' with Hillel, and if you are looking to rabbinical teaching for guidance (which is were the Noaide Laws are written), then we are not on the same page Wouter. So if that is the basis of your insights, I'm not interested. I'm sure you mean well, but I limit my instructions about Yahowah and His Covenant to Yahowah's Words.


Here are my thoughts sumarised:
Hillel, who had no problem with Gentiles, stated some time in BC, that the only requirement for Gentiles to be part of the ‘world to come’ would be to abide by the 7 Noaide laws. This is also noted in the Talmud. It corresponds greatly with the four precepts given in Acts15 and fits right in with the concern raised in Acts15. This is also alluded to by Rabbi’s in the 16th and 20th century.

Yada wrote:
I don't consider Acts to be Scripture. In fact, I see Acts to be as errant in most places as Paul's letters. Further, the Noaide Laws aren't scripture either. They come entirely from the Talmud. This is headed in the wrong direction--as are you.


The only gentiles that were required to abide by ‘one law for the home born and the Gentile’ aka torah, are those Gentiles that lived amongst the Israelites, those that accepted the lifestyle of Israel. Any one ‘outside’ of Israel (not living in a jewish/Hebrew community) are not required to live by Torah(Mosaic laws) as it was not given to them. (Acts 14:16)

Yada wrote:
Towrah does not mean "law." And no one is required to abide by the Towrah. We are all free to accept it or reject it. But there is only one Towrah for all. So it is only if you want to engage in the Covenant, and if you want to be saved by God, that you have to observe the Towrah and respond appropriately to it. And that is true no matter your race, place, or time.


Messiah came for “the lost sheep of the house of Israel’.

Yada wrote:
Yisra'el means: "individuals who engage and endure with God. So it speaks of all of us who engage in the Covenant, regardless if we are naturally born or adopted.


This is accentuated in several places where He is confronted with Gentiles. Especially the woman that said that the dogs will eat from the crumbs of the master’s table. Which leads me to the following thought.
The house of Judah did not need a savior, hence Messiah’s remark, healthy people are in no nead of a physician.

Yada wrote:
According to Yah, that is not true. Yahuwdah was divorced as well, just not as soon as Ephraim.


The house of Judah was in the right place, doing the right stuff.

Yada wrote:
That is not true either. Yahuwdah was as Babylonian and lost as the rest of Yisra'el. Many of those Yahowah and Yahowsha' exposed and condemned were of Yahuwdah. Only Yahowsha' wasn't in need of a Savior.


This again leads to the following: Gentiles were never included in the Mosaic law,

Yada wrote:
It is teaching, not law. And that is not true. They are mentioned often, and they are told how to be treated identically to the naturally born.


thus they never broke the law, therefore did not need salvation for sinning against the Torah.

Yada wrote:
W, based upon the Towrah, you are lost. I had thought that you were better informed than this. This may be the least credible argument for reconciling Paul and Yahowah that I have ever read--and I've considered many hundreds of them.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to bother with the rest of this because it is way too far from the Towrah for me to consider. If you want to be a religious Jew, that is your choice. If you want to believe the Talmud, you are free to do so. If you want to ignore the conflicts between Paul and Yahowah, that is your decision. But, I'd suggest keeping your opinions to yourself so that the only soul you squander is your own. I only hope that your "insights' don't influence anyone you sent them to.

Yada


Now, after Messiah, they(gentiles) are welcomed into the faith, as they once were, again on lesser terms than the whole of Israel(two houses).
Why?, because they were never intended to be part of the Royal Priesthood as Israel would be in the ‘world to come’. See Peter’s letters are addressed to the dispersed and there we find the royal Priesthood mentioned. Therefore the reigning with Messiah is not intended for the Gentile and he therefore does not need to keep torah in order to learn how to act in worship to YHVH. As in the time in the wilderness, the entire Israel was not required to learn how to act in worship towards YHVH, it was the duty of the Levites. In the world to come it wil be the duty of Israel(both houses) and the gentiles will be ruled over.

Therefore Paul’s letters are in accordance to the school of Hillel, which of course is also how Rabbi Yeshua taught. For when he taught, he was intending his teachings on torah observance to go only to the ‘lost house of Israel’.
Because the house of Shammai ruled from 10CE onwards, and they were opposed to Gentiles coming into the faith, Paul had a hard time explaining the rules. To the Jew it is imperative to keep Torah, but to the Gentile, it was not required and both were saved by the same faith(Acts15). Jews who understood Hillel, had no problem with Paul’s teaching, but Jews holding to the school of Shammai tried to deter Gentiles from coming in(Circumcision). Therefore the persecution on Paul from the Jews side were only from those from Shammai. He was not teaching contradicting Messiah and Torah, he was teaching what Hillel already taught and Yeshua also ascribed too. The only teaching he was going against was the teachings of the school of Shammai which was the dominant school after the death of Hillel in 10CE.

So, the question now is: Am I a gentile or am I a lost sheep from the house of Israel…….or have I lost it?
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#273 Posted : Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:12:28 AM(UTC)
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K wrote:
I just stumbled into the site this morning..and had been reading
without interruption..ever since.
Not yet done..far from it..and had begin to read the Genesis chapter
of YadaYahweh.

I pride myself on my intellect and hunger for knowledge. On my
tolerance and smirking smiles towards zealots of all religions. They
never got the jokes lol.

Damn you for making me into a zealot of The Creator Yahuweh. Damn me
if I somehow lose interest or wont have enough time to get till the
end of this Salvation.

Better be ignorant and bliss..than to found out the truth, yet only
gone halfway through? Naaaah lol.

Sir..fellow friends..all helpers that sacrifice so much for "THIS"..I
just have to express this personal gratitude : THANK YOU!!!

Please keep this noble endeavours going..till our last breath.

(Someday..when I'm ready..I might attempt to translate all your works
into Indonesian..thats the only contribution I prolly can offer)

-From someone who ALWAYS believe there is a Creator..but has been
searching..forever.


Yada wrote:
K,

Thanks for giving reason a chance. I am equally opposed to religion. My hope is that by reading that you come to engage in the relationship Yahowah has offered. And you are well on your way. This process begins by coming to know and like Yah.

I've attached the Introduction to God which is not yet complete. But it corrects a few of the mistakes I made in Yada Yahweh. For example, I've learned that YHWH is pronounced Yahowah, that the Covenant has not yet been renewed (so there can be no New Testament), and that Paul was a liar. I'll make those corrections to YY once I finish the ITG. I also hunger for knowledge, especially understanding, so when I learn that I've erred in some way, I want to correct the record.

I noticed that you made contact through Prophet of Doom. Most all who have come to know Yahowah through YY came to Him through POD.

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#274 Posted : Wednesday, September 7, 2011 10:44:40 AM(UTC)
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W wrote:
Yada

Torah says that Abraham kept YHVH commands. What commands would that be if not Noaide laws?

Yada wrote:
W,

The Towrah answers that question. And the answer is not the Talmud--it is the Towrah.

So I must ask: why is this obvious answer, the one Yah Himself attests to, not the one you chose to accept? Why wouldn't you naturally conclude that Yahowah revealed the same "Teaching, Instruction, Guidance, and Direction" to Abraham that He revealed to Moseh? And why wouldn't you conclude, as the evidence itself affirms, that Yahowsha' provided the same teaching, instruction, guidance and direction as is found in the Towrah? It is after all, the most rational response. And yet, you went in an entirely different direction--one that values the words of men above those of God. Why? Yahowah consistently tells you not to do that.

But the rabbis would want you to believe that their laws were taught by Noah, because it gives them credibility. And some evidently, would have you believe that Yahowsha' quoted the rabbis rather than condemning them. And yet both Yahowah and Yahowsha' exposed and condemned the teachings of religious Yahuwdym often and aggressively. He hates what they have pontificated in their Talmud. So the opposite of what you wrote is true.



The people I sent this ‘insights’ too are all mature free thinking individuals, none would be influenced unless there are truth in it.

Yada wrote:
There was hardly any truth in it. It was a close to being completely errant as anything I've read in a long time. So if your perceptions are correct, you have nothing to fear for having led them astray by it.

I don't say that to be harsh, but to be helpful. You sent this to me unsolicited. That means I had three choices, the easiest of which would be to ignore it, which would mean ignoring you. My second choice would be to blow smoke back at you, but that isn't what Yahowah wants us to do. The third option was to tell you that you were wrong, and that going down that path would lead you so far away from Yahowah, from His Covenant and Salvation, that it was dangerous to even share it.


I was not trying to influence you in any way, rather to get commentary which I did, thank you.

Yada wrote:
I wasn't influenced. I was disappointed. I had thought much more highly of you based upon your earlier emails, so this was very frustrating to read.


I respect your view thus lighten up Yada, we’er all journeying along and I would have expected you to rather laugh about it and tell me I’ve lost it than to get all fired up.

yada wrote:
Sorry, W, but when you share insights about God which are this misleading, this religious, I take that seriously. Failing to respond to religious corruptions of Yahowah's Testimony is how so many have come to be confused and corrupted. Mixing lies with scant elements of the truth is how it all begins.

You didn't send me a joke. There was nothing funny about your insights. I'm not laughing.


Relax J

W

Yada wrote:
If you want me to relax, tell me what you learned today from Yahowah's Towrah. Tell me how you have come to accept the terms and conditions of the Covenant. Share how you have learned the meaning behind the Shabat and how it foreshadows our salvation. Explain how you have distanced yourself from the babel of Babylon.

That will bring a smile to my face and to Yahowah's.

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K replied to Yada's email, here is the exchange:

K wrote:
Dear Yada,

WOW thanks again for the YAHOWAH revelation.

Till now..I always mention Creator..as I loath to say God (just like
how you explain it..the
source came from gad)..thanks for letting me know the REAL personal
name of THE Creator.
We all are proud of our names..our identity. We are created on His
image. How can He NOT be vain. Personality traits and emotions all
came from ONE source. Positive or negative..all came to
point-of-views.

I had read Gibbon's tomes many times over and understood how the
Romans stole Yehushuwa from Him. Catholic/Orthodox are a political
product. How can it be Truth when its a made-up farce. The world
praised his efforts..but NEVER got the point in it. Be encouraged..as
you are following on his sacrifice. The path of Truth..make it
unbiased.

But most (in fact..all) that I tried to explain this revelation
to..reject and mock this fact.

I am from a chinese buddhist family..raised up as a Protestant, from
schools. Absorb Islam and Hindu from surrounding society. Too much
knowledge sometimes creates confusion. Damn Confucius for the
coup-de-tat of Mo Tzu's sacrifice.

Currently live life almost like a Theravada, but with Yesus as
role-model. Forever searching for an understanding of the purpose of
Life.

Always believe that The Creator give us Free-Will..for a purpose. He
dont want/need pets..but equal companions. An inability to accept
critique is a trait..I will never accept in my Creator. At least He
will attempt to correct me..if I misunderstood His Message. That's the
loving Parent..I want to spend eternity with. I have two intelligent
and critical daughters..so I understand what this means.

From the little that I had grasped by reading your revelation..there
is a VITAL point. To me at least. Please enlighten me.

This point will explain all the political agendas behind society's
attempt to control Faith. Order or Chaos. Such simple concept.

No matter how we live our life..we only have two conclusions after death:
1. Get to know Yahowah, follow His strict Covenant..and be counted
among the thousands that will spend eternity with Him.
2. Continue in Ignorance..and just become the Void..no reincarnation,
no afterlife, no ghost, no nothing? As we came from base materials..we
will be return to the building blocks of creation..giving others a
chance?

There. The Motivation. The Purpose.

There will be Chaos. Pointless in living Life. Sins or Virtues. Fall of Society.

Take me for an example :
I was born on 75..at the middle or probably last stage of my life. Had
life a life of virtue. Aye, I have sinned..but when it comes to the
scale..my conscience assured me of a life well lived.

But..if I never come across this revelation. My life will be
meaningless..just a return to the void. The alternative is quite
demeaning too..actually.
I mean..either Heaven (spend eternity loafing around or bound in
prayers) or Hell (endless torture..trust me, very soon most will go
mad or feel nothing..and it will be meaningless).

But..WOAH..your revelation. Strike to the point. A loving and
intelligent Creator. Spend eternity exploring the infinite. Inwards
and outwards. Thats Eternity! (Friend..Thank You!)

But..to the ignorant masses, without the motivation of understanding
to the vital point..their minds will give two fatal conclusions :
1. Live a life of Virtue : rewarded with eternity of rapture.
or if thats not motivating enough for them
(trust me, many wont care about it..as most wont even care to read a
book or research something, even if it means an understanding or
salvation)
2. Live a life of Sin : No consequences! Just wallow in endless
selfish orgy, damn the rest and no harm to me anyway. Let others
suffers for my mistakes. Mwahahaha.

So..I fear for the masses. And thats where I understand the Revelation
of the Thousands, and the attempt to control the Truth.

The Correct Path will be to return to the Source.
The Easy Path will be to continue in Ignorance and return to the Void.

The Safer Way is to Control the Truth and filter and letting it
through by stages (pointless and useless to ask a kindergarten kid to
read and understand a thesis meant for academician)
The Creator Way is.."Let Truth Set Us Free!"

So..I tend to approve the safer way to..but must favour the Creator
way..as He give (not gave) us Free-Will!
YAHOWAH give us Free-Will the moment He created us. Not after we
became adult. Babies have a choice. Even if you bribe one with candy,
but if something makes the baby dislike you..the baby will cry anyway.
Just CANT force something like that.

If The Creator value us THIS much (thats prolly where Lucifer disagree
and how he still wanna prove the point)..lets NOT dissapoint Him and
live up to His expectations!

We are all created EQUAL to Him..thats what He want and yearn for. A
worthy companion.
(by Him, I mean masculine and feminime too. He is not a lonely Creator.)

Dang..I must apologize. If I dont stop now, I know I can write for
weeks without feeling any fatigue or boredom. lol There is always..a
next time.

The point : Chaos out of Order. It aint so orderly nowadays or ever..anyway.
Let the bees out of the hornet's nest(?)..or hide in ignorance,
sacrificing the truth?
There will always be differing opinions. Cant waste the sacrifices on
pointless doubts and useless choices. etc etc

Just keep on doing the good job and rest assured..someone..out
there..will ALWAYS appreciate it.
Sir..Friend..Fellow..Teacher..Prophet..once again..THANK YOU..from the
sincerest deepest part of my core being.

Till next time.


Yada wrote:
K,

I have read your entire reply, and you sound eager to learn and also open to the truth--a rare combination. You have been on a long journey through many religions, and yet they have not poisoned you--a rare feat.

So long as you continue to invest the time to study Yahowah's Word, and seek to understand it, I'm confident that you will exercise your mind and free will appropriately. You will come to know and trust Yahowah--indeed love Him. And so long as you make this effort, and study His Towrah, He will do the rest.

Yes, you are correct in your understanding of the three fates that await human souls. For thinking individuals such as yourself, this is particularly liberating. It is fair and it is reasonable.

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#276 Posted : Monday, September 12, 2011 3:09:15 AM(UTC)
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B wrote:
I won't bother anymore after this.
Please help me to understand this:

I know there is nothing we can do to earn our salvation.
But by "shamaring" (pardon my use of that word) the Torah we discover the steps to salvation.
I am having a really hard time wrapping my brain around that.

Am I getting hung up on the word "earn"?
Am I not involved in the salvation process by following Torah.?
This is the only thing I need to get straightened out.
Thank you for your time and effort in this matter.
B


Yada wrote:
B I see this as a stubborn legacy of Christianity, where salvation is not only the most important thing, you are told that all you have to do is believe to be saved. And what you are asked to believe is that God died for your sins--which is an impossibility as God as spirit cannot die. As a Christian you don't have to know anything about God other than He died. Christians would then have you bow your head and repeat their sinners prayer. But yet how do you come to believe them unless you go to one of their meetings, read their literature, or listen to their sermons?

You don't become immortal or perfect by "shamar - examining and considering" the Towrah. But by observing what the Towrah teaches you will come to know how to receive these gifts.

With Yahowah, you can't earn your salvation, but you can learn how to be saved. That is why Yah repeatedly encouraged us to read and listen to His instructions on the Covenant relationship so that you would know how to engage in it, and so that you would come to know who you are choosing to engage live with. And also the means Yahowah has provided to save you is presented in the same Torah which presents this relationship. So someone either needs to read it to you a sufficient number of times (shama') for you to understand and respond to these things, or you have to read and think about (shamar) it to the point that you can respond appropriately, for you to be able to choose to engage in the relationship and walk to God along the path He has provided.

Yahowah calls His Towrah where these opportunities are revealed a gift for a reason.

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#277 Posted : Monday, September 12, 2011 3:14:18 AM(UTC)
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KC wrote:
I will cut to the chase. I hope I am wrong..oh joy, that means I have
still room for improvements. Perfection will be such a lonely curse.
Ask The Source.

The Final shocking Revelation is..Realization of our True Potential.

The Source IS Eternal. We are all equally created in His Image. We are
all Eternal.

Yada wrote:
KC,

There is very little I can answer here, because much of what you have written is either an extreme extrapolation or an unsupported opinion. But I will try.

Being created in Yah's image does not mean we are identical to Him in every way. We are mortal. He is immortal. But we can become eternal, and become more like Him, if we respond appropriately to the Covenant as it is presented in the Towrah.


Given the same Potential. Otherwise we wont be much of a
worthy equal companions anyway. He want a Relationship with an equal
Partner.

Yada wrote:
We don't have the same potential. He is God. We are not.

Yah makes us worthy and He empowers us through His Covenant and Invitations so that we are more equal, thereby causing those who avail themselves of these gifts to become eternal companions. But that still does not make us equal, just more similar.

And while we work together, we are not partners, but instead children and associates. There is only one God. While we become His children, that is not to say that we grow up to be gods.


Order and Chaos. Positive and Negative. Good and Evil. Joy and
Suffering. One Source.

In The Beginning there was Only One. There can be NO comparison. No
potential for Growth. Experience means Nothing. No point. No sense.
Nothing.

Yada wrote:
My concern here is that the view being presented here is too simplistic, overly stylistic, and not entirely logical. But two things are true. The is only one God. And without relationships, God cannot grow. So that is why we and the Covenant exist. That is the point.

But God would still exist without us. He would still make sense. And He is not in need of a comparison. Moreover, there never will be more than one God.

Based upon what you have written here, I'm concerned that you are headed in the wrong direction, KC. My advice would be to read the ITG that I sent you.


In His own Image. The key is in Simultaneous. In Time. Full Circle.
Alpha and Omega. The symbol of Infinity. Perfection.

Yada wrote:
This is not accurate. The Hebrew word for image is akin to a shadow, a two dimensional representation of a three dimensional object. The key is not simultaneous. And full circle only applies from Eden back to Eden. With Yah, seven is perfection, and eight, which represents infinity, speaks of eternity. Thus with God, eternity and perfection are related but not the same.


As a parent, I wish for my children same full experience. I know their
potential. I know that..in time, they will come to a realization. I
will be patient. I will grow and learn together at the same time
watching they experience this process of learning. We both benefits.
No expectation, just by existing we already fulfilled the destiny.

Yada wrote:
Some of this is true, and thus provides a window into the Covenant.


Simultaneous in Time. We too, as He IS. Whatever happens, the
experiences, the learning/growing process, the emotions..all at the
Same Time. None will be wasted..all goes back to Source.

What a Realization. What a Gift. Just live. Thank You.

Yada wrote:
Don't thank me for this realization, KC. We are not on the same page.

So while I could speak to you about time from His perspective and from ours, which differ, and how we differ from Him while resembling Him, even how we will be made more like Him, all of that information is already written in the Introduction to God and in Yada Yahweh. So again, I'd encourage you to read YY and the ITG and then after you have done so formulate your conclusions.

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#278 Posted : Monday, September 12, 2011 3:19:05 AM(UTC)
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R wrote:
In Rev 13:1 Yahuchanan tells us he was standing “on the sands of the sea”. Jer 5:22 tells us the sands of the sea is the ‘everlasting law’ that separates gentiles from Jews, saved from unsaved gentiles i.e. the Torah. Thus Rev 13:1 tells us Yahuchanan was viewing the revelation from the point of view of the Torah.
Rev 13:18 tells us to calculate the number of the beast.
The phrase as given in a translation from Greek: “for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666” may be misleading.
I suggest it ‘should’ read or did read in the original Hebrew: “for it is the number of man which when combined with the number of the beast ( the ‘his’ refers to the beast and not the man) is 666”.
Allah in Arabic is ha,lam,lam,alif. Numerically these letter correspond to 5,30,30 and 1 which when added produce 66.
In Hebrew the number of man is 6.
The first beast is described as coming from the sea, the second from the land but the context suggests the beast referred to above is from the Jews.
Thus there is a joining of the (rabbinical?) Jews and Allah (representing Satan). Considering the history of e.g. Sha’uwl and the Ram Bam, not to mention anti-Israeli Jews of today this may not be as unlikely as it seems.
Since the first beast is from the gentiles and the second beast exercises all the authority of the first then all of Satan’s little helpers are joined at the hip i.e. there is an end-time conjoining of all major religions including socialist secular humanism represented by 666 with a Jew as a figurehead.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this. If you’ve already considered it, I apologize for wasting your time.

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R


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R,

This is certainly interesting. My question is: What is the connection between J5.22 and the towrah? I read the section before and after 5.22 and didn't see Towrah. Or is it just suggested by a combination of all of the Towrah related words used throughout the fifth chapter (truth, word, decree, correction, way and ordinance of God) combined with the word pictures and the symbolism of the sea and land being Gentiles and Yahuwdym?

I've never been one for applying numbers to names, but Allah plus man is interesting. In Both Hebrew and Arabic (showing that Arabic is based upon Hebrew) Aleph/Alif is 1, Lamed/Lam is 30 (x2) and the Hey/He is 5. So it is 66. And there is no question man is 6. So, using the formula found in Rev 13.18 we get 666. Allah is the most overt guise for Satan ever conceived. Also, looking at the oldest manuscript of Rev 13, what's written looks a lot like Allah in Arabic--albeit the letters were rotated by a scribe in Alexandria because written Arabic wouldn't be invented for 500 years. But the Aleph, two Lameds, and Heh are visible, along with an X which when combined with the four letters reads: the mark of Allah.

The false Ma'aseyah is a Gowym from the sea. The false prophet is a Yahuwdym from the land.

I also see the many similarities between Paul and Muhammad relative to their teaching. And yes, I have long seen a merger of Islam, Christianity, and Socialist Secular Humanism.

Very interesting.

Yada

PS While this site has everything wrong, for the alphabetic numbering, it's helpful...http://numerical19.tripod.com/numerical_value.htm.
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JC wrote:
Shalom Yada,

How are you doing? I know that you are extremely busy, but please we need your help to understand tithe/s, first fruits etc. So many people are coming out of "Babylon" & they don't want to tithe to the churches any more.

Lev 23:31 for me is difficult because how do you redeem your tithe? If I take place of 1st mention in Scripture it is where Abram gave 10th of the goods that YaHoWaH put into his hands when he won the battle with the kings, it was not from what he already had.

I know according to Scripture that we need to look after the widow & orphan (within your gates). Does is mean our town or city that we stay in? Or is it in our community of Torah believers? And do we only need to give to them in the 3rd year of tithing? Most of the men in those days where farmers & you can clearly see in the Scripture that you needed to leave for them as well & not take everything of your land. But everything is so different today, most men work for companies with fix salaries?

Levites we do not know who they are today, so that one is easy.

Then another part of your tithe you need to keep because the men needs to go up to Jerusalem with Sukkoth & they need to spend their money there & enjoy it before YHWH. Is it only with Sukkoth or with Pesach & Shavuot as well, they do need to go up but I can't see Scripture regarding tithe.

Someone asked me know & I don't "understand" it completely & with confidence to give my viewpoint on YHWH's Word. I do not want to mislead people!!!

Be blessed,
JC


Yada wrote:
JC,

As you know, I never claim to be the source of answers, but instead someone who knows where to turn for answers. As a result of observing the Towrah and considering the world around us, here are my conclusions...

The tithe was seldom about money, but instead about agricultural products, and it was never paid to a religious institution. It is one of many things Christian pastors have twisted to line their own pockets.

Yahowah's House/Temple does not exist. Further, the service the Levites performed isn't being done by anyone today, so there is no one to pay. And even when these recipients and administrators of the produce were acting as Yah's ministers and judges in accordance with the Towrah, they were to be fed, but not enriched monetarily. So there is no justification for a tithe being paid to any existing institution.

Also, the Torah's economic system and today's fiat monetary system in conjunction with very high levels of taxation, have nothing in common. So give unto Caesar his money, and unto Yah give your soul by engaging in the Covenant according to its terms and conditions.

If you notice someone who is poor, who isn't being paid by the government, who is willing to work but unable, and who isn't in that condition as a result of drug abuse, offer to feed, clothe and shelter them. If you find a non-religious, non-political, organization devoted to feeding and sheltering the poor in impoverished nations, then make a donation. But that's about it.

If you remind me in a week when I'm back home, I'll attach a draft of my current book called an Introduction to God.

Yada

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I just had to email you and thank you a) for your research and b) the guts to publish your papers. I imagine you’ve received more than your share of hate mail.

I was raised a Baptist, a Jehovah's Witness, a Mormon and finally my mom got into New Age garbage by the time I enlisted in the Marine Corps and headed out to totally screw up my life. Finally around 45 years old I started getting serious about my relationship with Abba and about the same time I found your website. Now I'm 53 and still learning.

Even though I attend an SBC church and have friends that range from Reformed Baptists to non-denominational Pentecostals to Seventh Day Adventists (my wife's family is almost all Freewill Baptists) I’m always thinking they/we are like a bunch of 4 year old kids running around a physics lab at MIT playing with the neat toys like atomic accelerators, plutonium vials.. you know harmless things if we push the wrong button or drop something... (I prefer to think of myself as a Messianic Gentile with Calvinistic tendencies )

I wish your “books” were books so I could carry them around and read them. I haven't even started on the terrorism books yet even though I have a history of teaching anti-terrorism in the Marines and was actually on a few counter-terrorism teams while on active duty.

I’m fixing to study the concept of the Hebrew Calendar, its error, and the Feasts of the Lord some more as we go through Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur etc. Any preferences on reading material or DVDs on the subject?

Anyway, thanks for your work and keep it up.

KG


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Hello KG,

You have been on quite a ride. You've been corrupted by all manner of religion and politics, even militarism. And yet still you have managed to find the truth about God.

My current research project is entitled An Introduction to God. I've attached a current draft for your consideration. It is the summation of what I've learned studying Yahowah's Word.

As we approach Taruw'ah, Kippurym, and Sukah, I have shared most everything I've learned in the following chapters:
http://yadayahweh.com/Ya..._Assemblies_Taruwah.YHWH
http://yadayahweh.com/Ya...Assemblies_Kippurym.YHWH
http://yadayahweh.com/Ya...ut_Assemblies_Sukah.YHWH

The reason that Yada Yahweh isn't yet published is because as I learn, I become aware of mistakes which must be edited out of the online volume. For example, I've recently learned that Paul was a false prophet, that the Covenant has not yet been renewed, and that the proper pronunciation of God's name is Yahowah, and correctly it is the Ma'aseyah Yahowsha'. So, once I finish the Introduction to God and then correct my mistakes in Yada Yah and Questioning Paul, I hope to print every volume of every book. But in the meantime, many of my friends read them on their Kindles.

I strongly encourage you to read Prophet of Doom when time permits. Based upon your past experience, it will be revealing.

Mon-Fri at 8-9.30 PDT I do a radio program on the news and Yah's Word called Yada Yah Radio on Blog Talk Radio. Listen in when you have a chance. You will also find a gazillion archives of previous programs should you be working at that time.

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KG wrote:
have run into the Paul issue before and kind of put it on the back burner. I guess my major concern was that here you have a Pharisee who gets converted (okay I can deal with that, we were all Sauls at one time) goes on a sabbatical, then comes running out to lead all these guys who actually knew the Messiah. Apparently Peter had some issues with him to begin with... I actually did a little experiment one time and tried forming a theology with only the Tanach, the Gospels and the writings of the original Disciples only. Got too busy to finish it.

What major doctrines would drop out of the fray if we discounted Paul?

KG


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KG,

If you read www.QuestioningPaul.com you will discover that I took the issues many, including Peter, had concerning Paul and put them on the front burner. It is a real eye opener. Turns out Paul created Christianity. His most every word contradicts Yahowah and Yahowsha'. It's amazing that he has fooled so many for so long - myself included.

Scripture begins and ends with the Tanach. While Yahowsha's words are important, most everything He said reinforced the Towrah. But as you will learn if you read the Introduction to God, there isn't much of the Christian New Testament which is trustworthy.

By discounting Paul the following cease to exist:

Christianity
The Renewed Covenant and New Testament
Faith and Belief
Gospel of Grace
Salvation by Faith
The Rapture
Discounting Women
Bodily Resurrection
A Dying God
The Role of the Church
Spiritual Gifts
Justification for Ignoring the Shabat
Justification for Ignoring the Miqra'ey
Justification for Ignoring Circumcision
Justification for Ignoring the Towrah
Anti-Semitism

But that really isn't the right question. Without Paul, the Covenant and Towrah remain Yahowah's means to relationship and salvation. And that message is the basis of the Introduction to God.

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#282 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2011 3:15:06 PM(UTC)
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There can only be one way...one path, and that is through Yah's word...ONLY!

Using the intelligence that Yah gave us, NO ONE should even be considering anything else but the one true path!

How can there be multiple ways to companionship with Yah. Logically, if there were were multiple paths, that would imply multiple gods!

Let all who yearn for knowledge awake from there slumber!

May Yah bless all who know, and let us make others aware so that they can choose on their own the true path!

Enjoy Yah's Shabbat.

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Sorry to keep chasing squirrels here. Just had an epiphany of sorts.

Part of growing up as a sniper in the military was learning how to counter-snipe. When you are conducting counter-sniper operations you try to think like your opponent so you can figure out his habits etc. Kind of like detectives do I guess.

Anyway I was thinking today that if I was satan and I had just been fooled by the whole cross thing, I was in near panic, angry as all get out I would want to jump right back and try to get that train off the tracks. So here’s this Pharisee that had been venomously pursuing the followers of the Messiah, Saul, headed off to track them down. Why not grab him, fill him full of false doctrine, a false testimony, miracles etc then launch him out with a parallel doctrine to hinder the spread of the true Message of Yahshua? Satan cant STOP it, that’s impossible and he knows it so why not nudge it a bit? Its like a bullet traveling down range. If the bullet is a little off at 50 yards as time and distance increase it is farther and farther off course...off the mark so to speak. Its almost like the spirit of Judas or the same spirit that filled Judas went right back to work in Saul.

The thing that resonates with this is that isn't this exactly what satan did with John Smith and the Mormons? The whole angel of light thing?

All this is tracking with my desire to find a doctrine that would naturally have derived had the disciples sat right down after Yahshua went to be with Abba and wrote down their “statement of faith”. I’ve studied the Didache, the whole Noahide concept and now your thoughts to get a grip on this. I just want to worship like the disciples did and know Abba without the tampering of the Gentiles, the Roman Apostacy and even a late comer with questionable doctrine like Saul.

Okay back to the hunt..

KG


Yada wrote:
KG,

Except for the fact the "cross thing" is both irrelevant and pagan, your analysis is accurate. This is exactly how Satan used Saul. And Christianity is the result. It was a bullet fired from the right place, but in the wrong direction.

All of Satan's religious schemes are based upon taking something Yahowah said or did out of context (such as replacing Pesach, Matsah, and Bikurym with the cross), misquoting Him (something Paul, and other rabbis, specialized in), and then implying a different conclusion. It is how Satan fooled Chawah in the Garden. And it is how he used Saul to fool billions of Christians. And yes, it is how Satan created Islam and Mormonism. Each religious founder's encounters, including Saul's, were the same.

Abba is a Pauline term based upon Aramaic. Yahowah speaks Hebrew. Father in Hebrew is 'ab.

There is only one doctrine, one teaching, one direction, one instruction. You will find it by studying the Towrah. You do not have to wonder or look to books the Disciples did not write.

The Disciples did not have "faith." They knew. Faith is a substitute for not knowing. And the Disciples did not worship. God does not want to be worshipped. The whole notion is insulting. Yah wants a relationship based upon family. Period.

Yahowah is completely opposed to writing a "Statement of Faith," not only because He is opposed to faith, but because He wants you to diligently study His Word and come to know, understand, respect, and trust Him based upon what you learn. There is no formula for salvation, and indeed, salvation isn't the purpose of the Word anyway.

If you want to know Yahowah, begin by studying every minute aspect of the Covenant as it is presented to Abraham. Then consider how one walks to God and becomes perfect by studying Yah's seven invitations to meet with Him as they are portrayed in the Towrah.

The Noahide concept is rabbinical and religious. It is not only a waste of time, it would have you go in the wrong direction. Trust Yahowsha' and Yahowah when He asked you to observe the Towrah for answers, for the terms and conditions of the relationship, and for salvation. And stop looking in any other place.

So I must ask you, why are you so fascinated with what the Disciples "believed" or even did, when Yahowah Himself revealed everything you need to know? The Towrah provides the answer to every relevant question.

Yada
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JC wrote:
Shalom Yada,

Thank you for answering back the other day concerning tithing, I really appreciate it very much. You do not need to send Introduction to God, I do have it. I need your help again if you don't mind, & I do acknowledge that you do not claim to be the source of answers, but you certainly are a man who studies the Word of 'Ab YHWH with passion. For me that is extremely important & I also try my best to do it, at this stage I do not have the funds to purchase 1 of the packages by Logos, but still our 'Ab is faithful to help with the sources that I have at hand.

I please need you to help to understand "afflict" with Yom Kippurym, according to Strong's & BDB (Brown Drivers Briggs) it definitely is NOT fasting. I have quickly scanned your study on Kippurym & what I can see is that you agree on that (I am just finished working through Taruwah). But some people connects Yeshayahu 58 with Kippurym & in there 'Ab YHWH talks about fasting. I am now absolutely confused, and I do NOT want to teach or tell people wrong & remove them from the presence of our 'Ab!! I did a complete search on "fast/fasting" & I cannot find it in the Torah (I need to edit it I used the CJB at that stage). We have people fasting for each & every thing & sometimes they call a fast for 40 days. I tried to participate & I always struggle, thus I called out to 'Ab YHWH & I started to search. According to what I found in His Word that is not His heart or teaching to us, they fasted for Tammuz. About a week or 2 after that someone send me another ladies study (revelation) which they also received from 'Ab & it totally agrees with what I found in His Word.

I am on the mailing list of Joseph Dumond of Sighted Moon & in last weeks newsletter he spoke about the fast, I have send him my word study as well as the other ladies study & in this weeks newsletter he says the following:-
We also have to rebuke some of those who are going around saying that you do not have to fast on Atonement. This is very serious as those who don’t will be cut off from Israel. This means you will die. So this week I implore a Hebrew Expert to explain what it means to fast. Isaiah also explains this but I have not used him this week, but you can go and read what Isaiah says is a proper fast. Just google it. (You can read this weeks study at http://www.sightedmoonnl.com/?page_id=749 )
He speaks of Nehemiah Gordon as the Hebrew Expert, I have read all of Nehemiah's other teachings on the Feasts & I do agree on them because that is inline with the meanings of the words found in Scripture. It is just this one which I am struggling with. Please help me if I need to repent that I can do it immediately & not resist 'Ab YHWH Spirit.

I do know that you haven't edited Called out Assemblies, I just read over all of Paul's writings.

Oeps just one more question regarding Taruwah, is there really going to be a rapture or is it part of Paul's teachings? In Revelations it says the following, does this link up to the "rapture"?
(Rev 12:14)
And the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, to fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
(Rev 12:15) And out of his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river after the woman, to cause her to be swept away by the river.
(Rev 12:16) And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.


Be absolutely blessed & may the Name of YaHoWaH/YaHUaH rest upon you & your family.

JC


Yada wrote:
JC,

All I know about the Hebrew word 'anah is contained in the Introduction to God (where I systematically list all 24 potential meanings three or four times), and to a lesser degree the Kippurym - Reconciliations chapter of YY. (I have reattached the ITG because just yesterday I came across 'anah again in Yirmayahuw and had to address its light and dark side once again.)

Since you have both books, all I can suggest is for you use what is written in them to study the Towrah for yourself. There is nothing more that I can add that might be of any help to you. This appears to be what you are doing, and I support this response. It is always good to question what people write, and to do so by comparing what they say to what God has revealed.

I haven't translated Yasha'yahuw 58, but have read through it. And without devoting a week to studying it in context in Hebrew, I'm not comfortable commenting upon the juxtaposition of 'anah and fasting. But, one thing is obvious, much of the chapter speaks of exposing bad behavior while the other half is about encouraging the proper response. I therefore see the fasting and afflicting comments coming from Yisra'el as a reflection of their errant choices. 58.3 is not in Yahowah's voice, but instead the people are asking Yah why He ignored their decision to afflict themselves and also their fasting. And yes, they fasted for Tammuz. So the answer is obvious to me.

Yah says absolutely nothing about fasting on Yowm Kippurym in His Towrah Instructions. Nada. Zip. Zilch. If He wanted us to fast, He would have said so. He is very explicit as to how He wants us to observe every other Miqra', including what we are to eat. On YK the challenge in my opinion is translating 'eseh, not 'anah.

More importantly, the notion that God wants us to afflict our souls undermines everything else He has revealed and done for us. He afflicted His soul on Matsah so ours wouldn't be afflicted. This is how He has reconciled us.

I have no interest in exchanging views with another author, or debating them, because it always turns out badly. So if you are doing a comparative study of other writers, please leave me out.

You should always feel encouraged to question, evaluate and verify my translations and commentary by comparing them to Yah's Word, but when you start comparing it to other people's opinions, I will always opt out of the discussion. And therefore, that is where I stopped reading your letter. I've had too many bad experiences with this to tempt another.

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#285 Posted : Tuesday, October 4, 2011 6:02:36 AM(UTC)
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Yada wrote:
Yah says absolutely nothing about fasting on Yowm Kippurym in His Towrah Instructions.


Yet, virtually everyone in North America would do well to skip a meal or two...

(Myself included!)
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#286 Posted : Tuesday, October 4, 2011 9:48:10 PM(UTC)
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Daniel wrote:
"Yet, virtually everyone in North America would do well to skip a meal or two..."


While I cannot disagree with that statement as it stands, brother, I am convinced that if I skip a meal as some sort of sign to Yahowah that I am sorry for my sins, that is, if I afflict myself for Him by way of skipping a meal or two, then I have as much as told Him that what He did to engineer and secure my salvation wasn't quite enough. Therefore, I would caution against any fast on the Day of Reconciliations for that very reason.

Just my two cents worth.

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#287 Posted : Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:45:44 AM(UTC)
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Hi, Fred. See? I haven't abandoned the forums. Alert the media. Sound the alarm. Get the women and children to safety.


Who's this, Fred guy, Fred Flintstoneface maybe...lol. Better not ever leave, Richard. You're some of the shoulders I stand on, and there aint many.

You helped me kick, king james right in his butt. And what I've read now about that guy, he more than likely enjoyed it.

Once we see the, Mow'ed Miqra'ey are a message to us, and each contain His thoughts, we should try and understand, and alot of thanks to you, I have.

Thank you, brother, for being there and bearing with me and staying the course..Praise Yahowah!!!...Hallelu YAH. I awake in a great mood everyday, and that

wasn't always the case.
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Yeah, who is this Fred guy? Sounds like a happy kook, but I like him, though. Just wish I had some of what he is smoking.
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#289 Posted : Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:13:35 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, who is this Fred guy? Sounds like a happy kook, but I like him, though. Just wish I had some of what he is smoking.


I thing it's what he has been drinking (living water) rather than what he's been smoking.
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Well you guys, both you brothers cheer me up! We are (wife and I) starting the btr show and for several days now the lead in commercial is advertising the show, South Park. I'd love to hear Eric Cartman have a conversation with Yada about Islam. Cartman might start out thinking this guy is in agreement with him, but we know Cartman would more than likely want them wiped out to the last one. I can hear him now, "What, save a one muslim, FOR WHAT!!!"..."so he can just rise up and kill you later after his Imam yells from his minaret."
Cartmans not a complete idiot, just close.

tagim,..lol.. I'd be afraid if you tried it. You might say, "hey this is some goooood medicine, and it'll grow out my back door." Go a few blocks over and you can find everything there is that's illegal here in Houston, from licenses to ss cards, it all available to the masses and more money is spent trying to catch a pot smoker than stopping the black market that supports an underbelly that gets pretty seedy in this town. If ppl only realize what has made its way here it would blow their minds.

Can't wait, Walt, for the end of this week. I need to approach, Mom, and tell Her how much She means to my wife and I. We are but little kids always messing up, and need all the help She offers.
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#291 Posted : Friday, October 14, 2011 2:55:33 AM(UTC)
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MW wrote:
Greetings,

Can you provide a link where I can download the complete book Yada Yahweh in pdf format to put on my iPad.

Thanks,
MW


Yada wrote:
MW,

The chapters all all individually available in PDF, but not collectively. Yada Yahweh is in serious need of editing, which is something I plan to do as soon as I've completed my current book, the Introduction to God. Since it is one file, you should be able to convert it to read on your iPad.

Yada


MW wrote:
Yada,

Thanks so much for the attachment. I will convert it to read on my iPad with GoodReader.

I've been reading Questioning Paul and had gone through link by link to grab those pdf chapters, but when I saw how many chapters were in Yada Yahweh I thought I would see if it was available in one pdf.

Not a problem. I'll do as I did for Questioning Paul. So good to see more solid affirmations as to who the ravening Benjamite wolf truly is.

I started my discovery several years ago here: http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/
And more recently read this, sans true Names: http://www.amazon.com/Je...id=1318516676&sr=8-1

Yah bless,
MW


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MW,

Please read the ITG before YY. I've got a lot of work to do cleaning up YY based upon what I've learned by writing QP and the ITG. I'll do it, but it's going to take some time.

QP was quite an awakening for me. I hope it will be for you too.

There is a lot that can be written against Paul and Christianity. I've just scratched the surface. But then again, my purpose was not to expose and condemn Paul and Christianity, but instead to clear away some lies so that people might be able to find the truth. My goal is therefore to present Yahowah's testimony as completely and accurately as possible and then help those who are interested understand it.

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#292 Posted : Friday, October 14, 2011 2:58:49 AM(UTC)
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R wrote:
Hi Yada,


Thank you for the Introduction to God book. I need to reformat it in order to tead it from my phone, but I look forward to reading it in depth.

As I mentioned in my previous email, I have several hours available to listen to mp3s while working, and so I am interested in getting the most out of your previous broadcasts. Is there a series of broadcasts that you would recommend a beginner to listen to?

In listening to your Oct. 12 broadcast, I was introduced to the term "adopted mother" and I'm not familiar with feminine terms in relation to God. Could you explain this terminology further?

Thirdly, I realize that you have strained over books and texts in order to come to a clearer understanding of the original word of Yahweh, but where could someone like myself find such a more complete rendering of the true text? Studying lies based on truth is barely profitable if not counter productive, so where do I find a true text rendering?

Thank you for considering my questions.

R


Yada wrote:
R,

A good friend of mine, and a genuinely super guy, is actively involved converting the Introduction to God to audio files. I've cc'd him on this reply in hopes he'll share them with you.

If you check the archives at Blog Talk Radio, you'll notice that I returned to doing the show back on the 18th of April, 2011. That is when we first started covering the Introduction to God. So, while the news and commentary portions of those programs will be very dated, it will take you back to the beginning of the ITG. Anywhere after that date would also be fine to jump in.

I explain "'iseh / 'isah, the adoptive Mother who enlightens and elevates" at great length in the ITG. You'll have no problem finding it as you read through it.

Most everyone who has read YY, QP, and the ITG has purchased Logos software and is now actively translating Yahowah's Word for themselves. If you check out the YY Forum, you'll find plenty of people willing to help you buy it and use it.

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Happy Shelters all!!!

I hate getting into the fray of our "Adoptive Mom", but I can't think of anything better from Yah in all His Glory than to show us compassion and mercy. I myself not being a well educated man, but enough that I can view my Father, as I view myself. I come from my own background as having two sons that can aggravate the bejeebus out of me to no end at times(insert the jewish ppl here if you like). So much at times that I almost at times, before finding God, would turn my back on them and not even let them seek forgiveness from me once I became enraged. Taking it too far I might say. Well every-time this would happen, who interceded in their behalf to get me in a calmer frame of mind where I could focus on what's important, our reconciling back to being a loving family once more, but the woman that carried them 40 weeks(time of testing, again) and suffered through their entering into this world and then nurtured them as they grew into how to approach their father without getting on his bad side. Little good it did with me, just b/c I use to be the type of person that didn't suffer anyone's rejection of my own plans, back then. My way or the highway!..Well, I, even in my state of unwillingness to recognize my real Father, I always felt that He must have a feminine side b/c the entire world, from what Brother Richard mentioned the other day, a zygote, or whatever it was...no, a better one, a garden snail, to the blue whale are all, male, female, He created all. Was this His design to show us all that it's family that brings our little worlds together in this life. I'm sure it is!
Yahowsha was brought to us through the womb of a virgin, and according to Yah was still one after His entering this world. Who nurtured Him in His formidable yrs as He grew, and was there when He went on the Upright Pole, and then went to His tomb, and then saw Him just before His ascension.
I can't for the life of me believe I'm to view Yahowsha as the Son of The Creator, and not view Yah as having qualities that all females have, to be nurturing child rearing ppl that care for their children to the very end. Just me thinking out loud..forgive me if I step on anyone's delicacies, but remember, we are all in His image.


The status of woman according to Paul...
“For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of man.” 1 Corinthians 11:7.


The status of woman according to God...
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” Genesis 1:27.

Paul’s letters display a remarkable degree of ignorance about Yahowsha the man, and his teachings.
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#294 Posted : Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:53:43 AM(UTC)
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R wrote:
Hi Yada,


I listened to 6 of your broadcasts from back in April while I was working last night. WOW!!! I was.blown away by the glaring evidence you presented against the christian religion. Your messages confirmed notions that I have been struggling with for the past 3 years. I realize that I just woke up, but this feels like I'm in a dream right now.

I was too tired this morning to make much use of any resources mentioned in the forum for scripture translation, but I definitely want to get it right. The KJV was glaringly the prevailing translation available and I'm concerned about using the right documents to get the right translation.

Thank you again for doing this work and making it available. I'm starting to see through new eyes today!

R


Yada wrote:
Hi R,

There are a thousand ways to prove Christianity false, many of which are lethal and irrefutable. It is a wonder that any one is a Christian, especially recognizing that Yahowah provides the most condemning evidence against all religions, and in particular Judaism and Christianity.

If you are rational, as you are, all you need is access to the truth. So I'm not surprised that you are finding many confirmations of what you had suspected.

The ITG provides a comprehensive list of study tools, the best of which is Logos software. But with a couple of interlinears and three or four lexicons, you can make considerable headway. There are free editions available online, or you can buy them.

The "new eyes" perspective is astute and important.

I've attached the Introduction to God for your consideration.

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#295 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2011 6:56:33 AM(UTC)
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Yada,

I have much more time for audio than for reading on my work days, so I listened to several more of your shows from the end of April and beginning of May. I look forward to getting the tools together to start my own translations and most importantly deepening my understanding of Yahoweh.

My only questions at the moment are in regard to the Greek texts about Messiah (sorry I don't recall the proper spelling). Since they are so errant (despite renowned theologians claims against this), are they reliable or justifiable enough evidence to prove that He came? It seems that it would have to be proof enough, but what then can we reliably say about what He accomplished or what in Revelations can be affirmed? How important do you think it is to even try to verify the eye witness accounts?

I'll keep listening and reading in case you have already covered these question, well not just for that. Thank you for your work for the glory of Yahoweh and for others to know Him.

R


Yada wrote:
R,

The evidence regarding the Christian NT is available for your consideration, but apart from the ITG you are going to have to buy and read a dozen or more books on the topic to understand the issues sufficiently to render a conclusion. If you invest the time, what you will learn is that there are over 300,000 known discrepancies between the Texus Receptus and the oldest manuscripts. And then there are even more translation errors - and those from a language which was itself a translation of what was actually spoken. And while the problem is devastating for Christianity, it isn't all that significant when you have the right perspective. Our focus should be on Yahowah, not Yahowsha', and on the Towrah, Prophets, and Psalms, not on the Greek texts. Moreover, the T,P,&P do a vastly better job of presenting what Yahowsha' did, when and why. So you don't need the NT. The same comparison can be made with Revelation compared to the Prophets.

I try to limit my Greek references, and if I need to go there, there are only three books worth considering: Matanyah, Yahochanan, and Revelation, and even then I try to limit my references to Yahowsha's testimony.

These issues are all covered in the ITG.

As you leave Christianity, you will have to change your perspective to know and embrace Yahowah. And that begins by focusing on Yahowah, not Yahowsha', Hebrew, not Greek.


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#296 Posted : Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:51:01 AM(UTC)
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BS wrote:
Yada,

thank you for continuing the Intro to God, the in-depth study is great to listen to as I study the Intro to God. I've read about 400 pages, and continue to take notes, study, and even celebrate the recent Called Out Assemblies (Miqra). Thankfully I had a Jewish M.D. growing up and so for the sign of acceptance of the Covenant, all I had to do is thank Yah for the sign having been given to me shortly after birth, and acknowledge that His Covenant is good.

My question about Revelation is if you are able to refer me to a source or more for reading up on the last couple of chapters of Revelation not being attested to prior to Constantine's era. I've done a little searching and find info about writers who did not cite Revelation at all, as if the early writers had not heard or read any of Revelation at all.

For me, the Towrah is so clear that I can tell the parts of Revelation that contradict the Towrah were added by followers of Paul's gospel who say there's a judgment day for everyone who rejects "the Lord Jesus" -- and that they'll all end up eternally suffering because "God's justice requires it" -- I would just like to read more on the subject.

BS


Yada wrote:
Hi BS,

I use the Text of the Earliest NT Greek Manuscripts as a reference tool. There have only been 5 manuscripts of Revelation found which date to the late 1st - early 4th centuries. And none of these extend past 17:2. That does not prove that the remainder of Revelation is invalid, only that it is more suspect and was more exposed to alterations. That said, you are correct. If you read something in Revelation which is contrary to Yah's testimony, discard it. And if you read something which is consistent, such as the association of Babylon with Satan and religion, use it.

Even the oldest and best Greek MMS were copied in a very religious setting in Alexandria, Egypt between one and eight generations after they were originally scribed. And of course, they have been passed down to us in Greek, a language Yahowsha' never spoke. It is therefore sickening to see so much of Christian terminology shaped by Greek transliterations.

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DW wrote:
Dear Yada: thank you for the wonderful job you are doing. It has been a blessing to me. When I was a young man I began studying the "bible" in earnest. One of the things I remember was how comforting the writings of Paul was versus the sayings of Yahshua. I thought at the time something is not right here. I was raised a Christian and went to "church" all of my life. I even became an ordained Baptist minister. I am now ashamed of teaching the things I believed at the time to be true. I know you are busy and I am going to keep this short. What is your view of burial or cremation. Thank you again. DW


Yada wrote:
DW,

We share a very similar history, as well as a similar response to it. I am troubled by what I previously taught when I was a Christian. But I'm thrilled to have come to know Yah and His teaching. So, all we can do is share His instructions while exposing and condemning religious deceptions.

My personal conclusion regarding our dead bodies is that they are totally irrelevant. It does not matter what is done with them or to them. There is no bodily resurrection. We are spiritual beings in heaven. So, I don't think it matters.

I've attached the Introduction to God because it reveals what I've come to learn studying Yah's Word.

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J wrote:
Shalom Yada,

I need your help please, the lady who received this email is still a "baby" in following Torah. I am absolutely not up to it to give her a proper answer & I do not want her to be misled! I went into his site & he claims the new month starts when the sun, moon & earth is in perfect alignment, "dark moon" no light at all.

What does "Ramyk" meaning in any case, I tried to search it on the net & cannot find an answer?

I am sorry that I always ask you to explain, but I know that I know you do intense Scriptural Study. And like you mentioned before, I know that you don't claim to have perfect knowledge, but 'Ab YHWH did bless you with it.

Be blessed,
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The debate in the solar-lunar calendar community is whether we should follow the Jerusalem conjunction to determine YHWH's Shabbats and annual moadim, or whether we should use the sun and moon based on the local time that we happen to find ourselves in.

The issue as I see it is not so much a right and a wrong, but rather which Jerusalem we are citizens of and which Jerusalem we should be aligned with in this wicked and adulterous generation. Assuming that for unity's sake, in order for all biblical Shabbat keepers to keep the same day, assume we all follow Jerusalem time in Israel; we still will not be on the same day. Because if the MarYah Yahushua is right and we know He is always right, then there are not 24 hours in the day like both the Roman and Jewish calendars teach us, but rather there are only 12 hours in a day. In Yochanan-John 11:9 the Master Yahushua tells us that the day consists ONLY of the 12 hours of light and that darkness is not a continuation of the alleged 24 hour day, rather it is the separation between two separate day or light periods.

Therefore places that are 12 hours or more away from us, like China and Australia, will ALWAYS celebrate Shabbat and Rosh Chodesh in a DIFFERENT LIGHT PERIOD......now if you want to revert to error and make a DAY 24 HOURS, like the ROMANS and the Jewish people, then Jerusalem Israel time makes more sense, as TRULY all Shabbat keepers are within the same 24 HOUR DAY-NIGHT CYCLE.

BUT if a day is separate from night and is only 12 HOURS on average, as both Genesis chapter one and John 11:9 teach us...there can NEVER be a uniform or a unity Shabbat....it becomes a total waste of time. For instance, while it is night in Australia, it is DAYLIGHT in Florida and by the time a new DAYLIGHT dawns in Australia, the old day is over in Florida where evening and then darkness has set in.

Therefore the solar lunar calendar unity proposal cannot be achieved in this age and will not, until ALL ISRAELITES from ALL DIFFERENT AREAS, are all back together in the earthly Jerusalem in the atid lavoh or the age to come, where we'll experience the same daylight 12 hour portion! Thus, we must use the sun and moon locally in THIS AGE, as locally, it will be an EXACT appointment that YHWH has assigned for your locality. The unity we can achieve at this time, is the unity of all born again Israelites guarding the true Shabbats and the true solar-lunar calendar in their locality. The unity is in the MEANS and in the efforts of determination (all using the same calendar of the 2 faithful heavenly witnesses) but NOT in the same exact time all over the world, as that is impossibility in this age.

Another very powerful consideration is this:

Galutyah-Galatians 4:
25 For this Hagar is Har Senai in Arabia, and corresponds to Yahrushalayim that now exists, and is in slavery with her children.
26 But the Yahrushalayim that is above is free, which is the eema-mother of us all.

We have NO ONE in Jerusalem Israel today that we know of personally that guards the solar-lunar calendar correctly. If we submit to the Karites in calendation, we will be following those that are not Nazarene Yisraelite disciples. Moreover, we will follow their first crescent sighting, which can and usually does put people 2-3 days late, for Shabbats and annual moadim, meaning the moon is already 2-3 days (old) into its lunation cycle, by the time it MAY become visible. While it may be true that in the old days the New Moon was declared by the sighting of the first crescent, that is only because modern means did not yet exist and still did not negate the fact that astronomically the Jews of yesteryear were in FACT off in their New Moons by 2-3 days. Astronomy is a mathematically exact science. YHWH allowed their tardiness because their hearts were pure and seeking to observe the appointed times with the tools they had. Just because the ancients used alcohol to perform dentis!
try, does not mean it was the correct or the best way.

But with the advent of moon phased computer technology software, we now know for perhaps the very first time in human history, exactly when the true New Moons are and as we know they now can also CORRECTLY determine all moon based Shabbats in all areas.

This is a direct fulfillment of prophecy as Daniel 12:4 promised us that KNOWLEDGE (specifically astronomical knowledge as Daniel was an astronomer-magid and much of Daniel's ministry was determining times and seasons WHILE IN EXILE) WILL ABOUND AND INCREASE in the last of the last days. So the stark reality is that only with modern technology can we affirm the correct New Moons and correlated Shabbats (Psalm 104:19, Leviticus 23:1-4) as the sun and moon are astronomical exact tools that function via nano second precision and are the ONLY 2 true and faithful timepieces given to mankind. What has improved is the ability to read them on time and not some 2-3 days late.

By submitting to the Jerusalem BELOW, as do all those who follow the Jewish calendar, we are in accord with and to the rabbinical Jews, who according to Rav Shaul are IN BONDAGE to this hour. Now today, 2,000 yrs. later, the bondage is worse, as at least in the first century, there was a remnant of about 1 million Nazarene Yisraelites to guide us in MarYahYahushua's methods of calendation. Today the Karites don't represent us in the land; the Rabbinate does not represent us in the land either, as they give us Saturn's Day as the Shabbat, a day which is in fact the FIRST (not the 7th) day on the original Julian and Gregorian calendar, a recorded FACT that cannot even begin to be denied! So we are without righteous representation in the land of Israel and even if we had righteous representation, the different time zones and daylight periods throughout the Diaspora make the earthy Jerusalem unity time proposal, a waste of time, when it comes to attempting unity on the issue.

Rav Shaul goes on to say that the Jerusalem from above is FREE from sin and bondage...Now where are the 2 witnesses, the sun and moon located? In the heavens, where the New and true Jerusalem is? Or where many of the sons of Cain are and where the sun and moon DO NOT RULE in the Jerusalem below? (The bondage of the Gregorian-Jewish amalgamated calendar rules). The modern Jewish calendar is divorced from the phases of the moon, when it comes to determing the weekly 7th day Shabbat, as it was originally shown to Moses. While the sun and moon rule from the New Heavenly Jerusalem, the calendar of the rabbis and of Rome rule from the earthy Jerusalem, which Scripture says is in bondage and slavery, as it is submitted to religious slave masters, that lead the people of Israel astray. The same religious spirit of Ishmael-Islam and Allah is in Jerusalem today, as it is in Saudi Arabia, the original location of the real Mt. Sinai. It's a spirit of religious bondage and oppression and!
all those who seek unity with it are buying into the bondage of a religious system, no different than Ishmael and his Edomite children. Revelation-Gilyahna 11:8 is MOST sobering, as it calls the current earthly Jerusalem SODOM and EGYPT, the very same CITY where our Master Yah was impaled. Why would anyone want to get the timing of their Shabbats and New Moons from what today remains spiritual SODOM and EGYPT? Remember when we were in Egypt before the exodus, we did not follow the true calendar which was first given to the entire nation in Exodus chapter 12. We cannot argue with Scripture, even though we may love the Holy Land of Israel and the promised land of our ancestors.

There is a danger that in the pursuit of a hoped for proposed unity, that we might align ourselves in a league with the anti-messiah spirit of the children of bondage that controls the Jerusalem below, with Islam on the Temple Mount itself; a bondage that has divorced Israel from the original moon based Shabbats and in its place installed Saturn's-Day...that's a kind of proposed unity that must be avoided, not sought out!

That's why the NEW Jerusalem will SWALLOW up the old one in the atid lavoh, age to come! Gilyahna- Revelation 21:1-2. YHWH's stated plan is to SWALLOW or destroy the OLD earthly Jerusalem in bondage with their children and with those led by them and swallow it with the Heavenly Jerusalem, where Melech Yahushua alone rules, along with his 2 faithful time pieces the sun and moon. They rule over and from the New Jerusalem unhindered and unencumbered.

Think this through very deeply.....there is no right and wrong answer here...it all comes down to what citizens are we? New or old Jerusalem? Kaiser or Yahushua?

As opposed to getting our time from the earthly Jerusalem, which will not create unity because even Saturday observance does not bring unity, because while it may be Saturday in China, it's actually still Friday in the USA. The sun and moon however will work EVERYWHERE you are, or anywhere you may live UNLIKE THE JEWISH CALENDAR! This is wonderfully confirmed as proof of the true eternal calendar in Psalm 19 where we read:

1 The shamayim declare the tifereth of El; and the expanse shows His handiwork.
2 Day-to-day utters speech, and night-to-night reveals da'at.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the olam. In them has He set a sukkah for the sun,

Close-In other words, day and night are different as seen in verse 1. Day utters SPEECH, night reveals cosmic KNOWLEDGE. But here in verse 3 we have the key!

THE SUN AND MOON ARE DESIGNED TO WORK FOR THE EXILES OF YISRAEL IN ALL NATIONS!!!! UNLIKE THE JEWISH CALENDAR, THE ORIGINAL ATTEMPT AT PROPOSED UNITY.....'THEIR (SUN AND MOON) VOICE IS HEARD IN ALL NATIONS.' They work PERFECTLY regardless of where on earth you may live or may be at any moment. Verse 4 teaches us that their LINE, a direct VOICE-LINE from the New Jerusalem above works in all the earth. The WORDS of calendation and moadim/seasons sound clear WORDS to ALL the ends of the earth, making sure you can keep a LOCAL SHABBAT specifically APPOINTED FOR YOUR LOCAL AREA!!! WOW!!!

This is unlike the unclear and deceptive words of calendation, coming from what the Book of Revelation calls spiritual Sodom, where Yahushua MarYah was crucified. We do love the land of Israel and the Jewish people, but sadly their calendation and other doctrines will entangle you in a yoke of bondage, which we must avoid, as this age draws to a quick close. In the age to come under Messiah, all Israel will in fact go by Jerusalem time, as the earthly Jerusalem adopts the time of the heavenly Jerusalem and as ALL OF us are in one place and in one accord, ruling and reigning with our blessed Redeemer! Selah



Yada wrote:
J,

Sorry, but I'm not going there. Personally, I find no Scriptural support for a lunar week and find the idea idiotic. So while lots of people promote it online, passionately, I see it as distracting at best. None of the things they are claiming, such as "perfect alignment, dark moon, no light," are attested to in Yah's Word.

It is infinitely more important to understand what the Shabat and Miqra'ey represent, and to understand their association with seven, than it is to know precisely when to observe them. So, when people make a big deal over the timing instead of the meaning I simply walk away. The timing is not a relationship or salvation issue - the meaning is.

I Googled Ramyk and found that it is presented as an acronym by YATI, but they don't explain it. The site appears associated with a fellow in Florida who is fixated on Two Houses and bigamy. There is another site which also uses RAMYK as an acronym associated with the new moon.

As for the meaning of Yah's message, I've attached the Introduction to God.

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VB wrote:
Hi Yada,

Hope all's well with you and yours'...

I'm loving the BTR program - the stuff is 'must' listen to stuff...ever thankful Yah's put folks like you and others of YY there who know Yah because they've embraced Him in His Towrah.

Was thinking of Tarowah/Taruwah coming up - seems to me since ten days after Taruwah is Yom Kippurym followed 5 days later with Sukkah...seems we'll be out of here in 12 years? Was thinking in terms of 2023 being 10 years before Yom Kippurym, and that followed 5 years with Sukkah? Just curious since I can definitely see Yah's going to want us to know when He'll be back; Yah not being nearly as mysterious and secret as the blind christians are brainwashed to think...Yahowah really does want us to know so we'll be at peace and not like those of Paul's description.

Just curious about your thoughts on Yah's getting us out of here, and I know you've mentioned 2026 followed by Gog Magog - I think 2023 give 2 years for Gog Magog, Yah to deliver Yisra'el followed with satan getting credit and the world following after him - gives him 7 full years to bamboozle and show his bag of tricks before 2033.

Again, thanks - and great job and information; especially the Towrah ITG segments - and the commentary is a must listen to for anyone who really wants to know.

Yah's best,

VB


Yada wrote:
VB,

I am inclined to agree with your assessment, and for the same reasons, and think we may only have 12 years to witness. But a good case can also be made for 15. It's something however, that while I'm partial to 2023, I'm not willing to commit to that time knowing that it could be a few years later.

Let's plan for 12 and hope for 15. The more time we have to share, the better for those who choose to listen.

Yada


VB wrote:
"Geeze Yada, listening and following along with your BTR program with interlinear and Hebrew lexicon -as I always do- am amazed/flabbergasted I am as you expound upon the truth of Yah's Towrah as He's given it to us (so no, I don't mean geeze in the sense of anoyance in the least...) all your BTR programs have been soo deep and rich; and if I can say: full of flavor...

I know and understand Yah makes mention of witnesses (which I won't doubt are Ruwach Qodesh Yahowsha' as revealed in Towrah, on the one hand) while also seeing the service you offer working hand in glove with Yahowah's Spirit, are indicative of what I'd consider to be Yah's definition of what a witness of His in the latter days might look like? I walk softly here because I understand the need for humbleness in context of Yah doing all the works on our behalf coupled with the fact you do speak Yah's Towrah which isn't any different from EliYah or John the Baptist...

My apologizes if I step on toes here - that's not my intention at all; rather: please keep up the work of working along side Yah as you've been doing long before I ever discovered Yah as He really exists in His Towrah (seeing Prophets, Psalms, inspired Writings that existed prior to Yahowah's first advent all pointing the listener back to Yah's Towrah).

Shalom

VB

Yada wrote:
VB,

I hope you are right. In the best of moments I even think you are right. And for all of the right reasons.

So long as I'm not given any credit for the result, I agree that the Introduction to God is amazing. I too see the insights as deep, rich, and full of flavor, but only because the goal is to reflect as much as can be understood of what Yah revealed.

To the extent that I have translated Yah's Word as completely and correctly as possible, and then considered the implications rationally, then with the Spirit's assistance the ITG, as well as the BTR program based upon it, is a witness. It is what Yah wants us to do, and it is a privilege to be used in this way. I hope it continues.

I am of the conclusion that your perspective on this is appropriate. So long as we know whose message is being revealed, then by all means let's celebrate the witness. I was moved to tears, with genuine joy, during the program where we considered Yahowah's testimony on Reconciliations. After the show, I spoke in the CR more personally about its powerful and positive influence on me than at any other time, only because I wanted to share my enthusiasm for what God had revealed, what He had enabled.

And to a significant extent, Yahowchanan shared Yahowah's testimony as it was written in Yasha'yahu, applying it appropriately to his timing and generation. He condemned religion and politics. And he did so passionately. So a comparison can be made to what we are doing in Yada Yah. But since I'm only quoting and commenting on Yah's Word, I don't consider a comparison to EliYah to be appropriate. Yah actually revealed His message through the prophets, which is a considerably higher calling than reporting on what He said through them.

So long as I'm seen as nothing more than a flawed implement, I'm glad that you are coming to see how Yahowah comes alive before our eyes in His Towrah. His nature and purpose is revealed in every word. We are all beneficiaries.

If you think this email exchange will be of any value to others, then please share it in the Forum. I think that others are reacting the same way to what we are leaning. I know I am.

Yada


VB wrote:
Once again, thanks Yada,

Thank you for both your candor, and your reply as always - cheers.

I'm aware of specific witnesses being made mention of as it relates to the latter days - 12 to 15 years out from Tarowah would make these days, and your willingness to engage Yah in His Towrah, and reveal what Yah devotes Himself to, that's found there and no where else, (which virtually nobody anywhere is taking/talking seriously about - not to mention many of which continue to mix truth with lies just as all man-made inspired by ha-satan scams are famous for)...I agree in what you do is a tremendous witness of Yah and His engaging with us in and through the very place He invites us to engage with Him at....doesn't reach the level of Yah speaking through a prophet; nonetheless serves a very useful purpose at a tme the world is midbar r/t 'azab; two new Hebrew Words I've since added to my Hebrew dictionary thanks to what's going on at YY and the BTR program etc.

I'll share with forums; because I really do think it'd not hurt as we're all exercising our freewill to then draw closer to Dad.

Best Regards, and continued inspiration as you continue standing on a solid foundation,

VB


Yada wrote:
VB,

You mentioned something here that, quite frankly, I don't understand. I happen to agree with you on this issue, but I simply can't fathom how it can be true.

How is it that so few, if indeed any other people, are presenting the Towrah from this perspective and discussing the news in this light. It is so clear, so obvious. Yahowah made His truth available to us. He didn't hide it.

I realize that 99.999% of people are either confused by their religion or hopelessly apathetic, so that narrows the pool of people interested in knowing and understanding these things. But still, you'd think that there would be hundreds of similar books, websites, and internet programs devoted to Yahowah's Towrah - which would therefore be discussing the same things we are. But where are the others? Why do fewer than few people understand?

So while we cannot speak for the mindset of others, as for us, let's continue to exercise our freewill and conscience appropriately and draw ever closer to Yah.

Yada


VB wrote:
Hello Yada,

This morning's BTR program was another good program.

Before I go further I have to apologize for comments I made this morning on the BTR's CR when I, for reasons I still don't know how I could be so wrong, I was seeing Pesach as being something it wasn't, suggesting that the Pesach was the signing of the Covenant Relationship - and Yah's agreeing to the terms and conditions.

After listening to the Sukah BTR for the fourth time (yep, I listened and followed along 4 times now) I heard for the first time today that circumcision on the 8th day, according to Towrah instructions, was when He signed agreeing to the terms and conditions a wholly and totally different event He fulfilled and Pesach: again in keeping with what the Towrah teaches.

Part of me wants to blame the residual effects of being a pagan christian for so long as wanting to see stuff in things even if it goes against what Yah's Towrah says...but the truth is probably a lot closer to the fact I wasn't paying attention as closely as I should have resulting in my reading things into works Yah's doing that is not in keeping with His Towrah promises.

As bad as that is, I also made the mistake of posting my errant thoughts on YY forums to which I've already posted an apology and stating how utterly wrong I was to mix His circumcision with His fufillment/enabling Pesach.

Again, my apologies and confession of suffering from foot-in-mouth disease more times than I'd like to admit.

Keep up the great work; it's making a difference.

VB


Yada wrote:
Hi VB,

If making an honest mistake was irrecoverable, I'd be six feet under. I've made and posted more than my share.

All you can do when you goof is to do exactly what you have done. While I didn’t read the CR today, or the Forum posts, based upon this letter, I'd say that you set a good example with how you have handled this. No one mentioned it to me, either, so I don't think any harm was done or any feelings were hurt.

I really enjoyed today's program too. In fact, there have been several recently that I really benefited from. It is nice to know that there is always room to learn. (But of course as we learn more, we come to realize that we have to clarify some of the things we've posted in the past. So, I'm sitting in a glass house when it comes to this sort of thing.)

Yada


VB wrote:
Thanks Yada,

Besides being embarassed about saying such a stupid thing, it was an honest mistake - I certainly didn't go out with an agenda or intentions to dupe anyone.

Yada wrote:
I know and I agree. I've inadvertently done the same many times. It's no big deal.


Thank God He's given us His Towrah as a gift that proves circumcision doesn't equal Pesach anymore than Pesach represents circumcision...(which makes what I said so embarassing)...and I'm glad He didn't wait until Paul's letters before signing the Towrah, Prophets, and Psalms/Writings, in His own blood - leaving Paul, Muhammad, et al out of the loop.

Sincerely,

VB

Yada wrote:
Yep, I agree.
Yada


VB wrote:
Hello Yada,

Listening to BTR offline as it were via winamp - great program as have they all been (getting better and better as we approach 2033)

I can only speak for myself, but I sincerely appreciate your repeating the Key info, and the terms and conditions, the Hebrew language, the mishpat Mow'ed Miqra'ey in which He settles and resolves the disputes He has against us...so I'd not change a single thing. Coming out of the pagan religion of christianity, I feel I need repetition as repetition of the truth of Yah in Towrah is washing away so much of the Pauline doctrine that makes christianity so enslaving - no freedom in christianity at all.

So please keep up the great work - for you are shining a spotlight on Yah's truth from Yah's perspective in a very dark and pagan world that's only getting darker as you've indicated on the BTR.

VB


Yada wrote:
VB,

I appreciate the encouragement. And I too find value is repetition. It's good that we know what the Hebrew words mishpat, mow'ed, miqra'ey, shama', shamar, beyth, beryth, and towrah mean. And if not for repetition, we wouldn't know these things.

One of the best ways to clean our slate of Pauline Doctrine and fill it with Yah's guidance is to focus on His Word.

I've attached the latest version of the ITG.

Yada

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TS wrote:
Yada,

I didn't know if you still answered this email account directly but I hope this message reaches you.

My last correspondence with you was a couple of years ago. Since then I've spent some time in study, prayer and personal reflection. This is an email that I've thought about writing and sending on several occasions but haven't due to concerns it would not be taken seriously or that it would cause a defensive reaction and be written off as babble from another lost soul.

My primary resource (please try not to cringe) is the text and notes of the New American Bible and the NAB/NABRE online. I don't know if you've ever read through it but it is rather interesting that much of Catholicism/Christianity has the foundations pulled out from underneath it by a Catholic Bible. I also refer to the Dead Sea Scrolls Bible, The Scriptures, JPS Tanakh, Strong's and multiple online sites. However, I am aware that my time, resources and capacity are limited which is why I have finally decided to again ask for your help.

If this task is one that upsets or offends you please accept my apology.
It stems from a question I've had for almost thirty years when a Jewish acquaintance was killed in a car accident and another "Christian" associate was certain the Jew was bound for hell.

I've listened to you and Ken about the third door which provided me with a great deal of relief but never completely satisfied my question.

How does a loving and merciful God allow his chosen people to be misled?

Yada wrote:
TS, I am saddened that this is your question. There are so many relevant questions to seek answers to, but this isn't one of them.

Yahowah has to allow it or there would be no covenant, no relationship, no love, no choice, no freewill. It is what happened, what He allowed, in the Garden of Eden. He did everything He could do to prevent this short of disallowing it - which He could not do without negating the purpose of life.

So I hope this question wasn't the basis of your search. It's no better than how could a loving God allow children to suffer. It shows a complete disregard for Yahowah's nature, for the Covenant, for Yahowah's teaching, and for what Yah did to resolve our problem in this regard.


I don't necessarily mean the Pharisees or Rabbinic Jews but more of a hypothetical righteous Jew.

Yada wrote:
Every time a person resorts to using a hypothetical to disregard Yahowah's instructions they are headed in the wrong direction. The flaw in this case is that a "tsadaq - righteous" Yahuwdym would be "tsadaq - vindicated" and thus saved by the Covenant.


Let's say you are a Jew born in 25 BCE. You are knowledgeable in Hebrew and have studied scripture throughout your life.

Yada wrote:
Most "literate" Jews studied their Oral Law, not the Towrah, Prophets, and Psalms. Yahowah makes the point a few thousand times, thereby undermining your hypothetical.


What then in scripture, when taken as a whole, would lead you to recognize a God/man Messiah?

Yada wrote:
The Towrah, Prophets, and Psalms do a far better job of presenting how Yahowah would save us than the Christian New Testament. So, taken as a whole, anyone with an open mind who observes Yah's Word knows how to walk to God and become perfect. This is not clear, however, and is in fact often misleading, in the Christian New Testament.

Every answer we need to know is presented in the Towrah. It alone provides the means to engage in a relationship with Yahowah and to be saved by Him.


Is it possible that from a scriptural perspective the Jewish people are correct in rejecting a God/man Messiah? Isn't it peculiar that the "second" coming has many of the characteristics that the Jews have always been waiting for?

Yada wrote:
This is a Christian perspective, and an errant one. Salvation isn't based upon recognizing the Ma'aseyah. And to infer that there is such thing as a "God/man" is the bane of Christianity, where the religious created a god they could relate to. You are projecting the Christian perspective on salvation rather than seeing Yah's perspective. Sadly, based upon your question and reasoning, you are now more lost than ever.

Salvation comes from Yahowah. The means to God is presented in the Towrah. Period. If you want to know Yahowah, you are going to have to leave your religion.

Yahowah answered the question regarding "were the Jewish people correct in rejecting" Him. Rejecting Yahowsha' is merely a derivative of this mistake - one condemned often, boldly, and clearly.


Clearly my question(s) has evolved over time but you get the idea. Here you are trying to be humble and obedient in the eyes of the God who chose you.

Yada wrote:
Yahowah doesn't ask for "humbled obedience," so this isn't helpful. There isn't a Hebrew word for "obey." And even if there were one, the Towrah isn't a set of laws to be obeyed. It is comprised of instructions to be observed, known, understood, respected, accepted, trusted, and relied upon.


You're following a plan that He has revealed to you over the past thousand years and then boom! He changes the plan with something that is incredibly similar to the pagan religions you've been forbidden by threat of death to follow. So you go to your scripture (taken as a complete body of work) and you decide to??? What do you do? Even the disciples weren't able to recognize that the Messiah must suffer and die for their sins. Why weren't they looking for Messiah to suffer and die for them if it was so clearly to fulfill prophecy?

Yada wrote:
Wow, Todd, this is the opposite of what Yahowah revealed. This is the Christian perspective which is completely and totally the opposite of Yahowah's teaching. God didn't change anything. Nothing. His one and only plan remains in full effect. Yahowsha' affirmed this during His Sermon on the Mount. Yahowsha' affirmed this hundreds, if not thousands of times.

The Covenant has not been changed, nor has the means to salvation.

The reason that you see "the new plan" as being "similar to pagan religions" is because Christianity is pagan. The Christian "Jesus Christ" was modeled after Dionysus. The problem, Todd, is that you believe Christianity, which means that you don't know or trust Yahowah.

By way of example, it is impossible to follow the Ma'aseyah and be a Christian. Christians universally disregard the Towrah and Yahowsha' was Towrah observant. Christians believed that God died for their sins, and yet Yahowah cannot die.

Todd, you are trying to answer the wrong question. Rather than try and figure out why "Jews" didn't respond to the pagan and Christian "Jesus Christ," you should be asking why the Christian "Jesus Christ" is so pagan. Why did Christians change His name, His title, and then disassociate Him from the Towrah and from Yahowah? Why do Christians prefer Paul's testimony to Yahowsha's even when they conflict? Why do Christians celebrate pagan holidays which ignoring Yahowah's Meetings? When you seek the answer to these questions you will discard Christianity, and with it your current perspective and your current questions. Then, and only then, will you be in a position to embrace the Covenant and walk to God.



Please know that I ask these questions with absolute sincerity and with the true desire to better understand YHWH and His plan for us.

Yada wrote:
The opposite is the result, Todd. By asking these questions you are not focused upon knowing Yahowah or understanding His plan. You are simply projecting your opinions on God and His plan.

Yahowah revealed His plan in the Towrah. That is where you will find Him and come to know Him.


When I look through scripture as if I were reading a book without knowing how it ends; When I look closely at "fulfilled" prophecy as described in the new testament and compare it to scripture, not just in Paul's writing as you have done, but throughout the new testament; I find it difficult to connect the old and the new.

Yada wrote:
There is no "New Testament" which is why they do not "connect." There is only one Covenant. To know Yahowah you will have to reject the Christian New Testament.


You have come to recognize Paul as a false prophet but how many years did it take? How long did you study the Hebrew before you could see? How hard was it to admit that what you previously believed to be the word of God was actually the twisting of scripture to satisfy Paul's(or someone's) agenda?

Yada wrote:
It took me a long time because I was indoctrinated by Christianity - as you are. I was taught a lie. I didn't compare them which is why I was misled for so long. But when I did make the comparison the conclusion was obvious and undeniable.

Yahowah has no interest in making it easy. It takes time and work to know Him, and that is how He wants it to be. He doesn't want to live forever with people who weren't willing to make the effort, who don't know Him, who have chosen to believe the pagan lies which infest religions.

He told us that thousands would benefit from His mercy, doing so by observing His instructions. Yahowsha' said the same thing in the Sermon on the Mount. Thousands among billions is one in a million.

That is why it is so important to understand the most souls simply cease to exist.


YHWH states that he isn't man, he has no form and there is no other.

Yada wrote:
You ought to be more careful, Todd. Yahowah says many times that He manifest a part of Himself in the form of a man.And while there is no other God, understanding what it means to be set-apart explains the nature of the Spirit and Son. This too is lost on Christians with their pagan Trinity.


He makes so many references to Israel, my people, David, Jacob etc. as the servant that it leads me to understand Israel (collectively) is the suffering servant.

Yada wrote:
I'd suggest learning what Yisra'el means. I'd suggest considering what Dowd wrote. I'd suggest understanding what Ya'aqob represents.

Yisra'el isn't the Suffering Servant. Yahowah is in the diminished manifestation of Yahowsha'.


I can understand why someone reasonably familiar with scripture wouldn't recognize a god/man Messiah who would shed his blood to make atonement for sins.

Yada wrote:
The "god/man" is a Christian myth - one framed by Paul's "the totality of the godhead resided upon Him bodily." It is false. And it isn't relevant. It misses the point. Yahowah is our savior.

We aren't saved by blood, but by Pesach and Matsah. You have swallowed the Christian myth whole I am afraid. Even if you understood the purpose of Passover, the Lamb's blood only resolves the consequence of sin, which is death, not the penalty of sin, which is separation from God. A soul who stops at Pesach is destined to spend eternity separated from God, and that's hell.


Why would God let his chosen people follow his word in scripture for so many years only to change the picture and have them led astray by Satan? Is that merciful? Seriously doesn't it make more sense that illiterate, idol worshiping, gentiles would be more easily led astray than the Israelite who is knowledgeable in Hebrew scripture?

Yada wrote:
Wow, how can you ask such a question? Haven't you read the Towrah, Hosea, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel? They didn't follow His Word. That is their problem and indeed your problem. Are you unaware of what happened in the Garden of Eden, who allowed it, and why?

So your idea of "mercy" would be to preclude choice, to eliminate freewill, to make men robots. In your world, your god wouldn't allow anyone to reject His Covenant, to disregard His instructions. Some god.

Yahowah tells us not to follow the ways of the idol worshipping Gentiles or the idol worshipping Jews.

Being able to read doesn't cause one to be more or less easily misled. Knowledge alone isn't helpful unless you process it rationally and from the proper perspective. It is often about attitude. Scholars know lots of things but understand very little. Christians read their "bibles," especially their "new testaments," and they are all misled.


Is it possible your existing belief that the Messiah was God existing as man and that he died for you on the upright pole may be preventing you from reading/interpreting scripture objectively?

Yada wrote:
I don't have any relevant "beliefs." I have come to know, to understand. I see the "Ma'aseyah" as less relevant than Yahowah - because that is how Yahowah presents Him. I know for certain that "god did not die for me or anyone." God cannot die. I interpret Scripture objectively because I view it from the perspective Yahowah revealed it. You don't.


You certainly must remember the conviction you once held about mainstream Christian beliefs. Of course now you've changed. Yada YHWH has evolved. Paul is a false prophet. Perhaps there is even more change to come.

Yada wrote:
Yes, I once "believed" the Christian myth. Everyone who has come to know Yahowah once believed things which were not true. This is why the lone prerequisite of the Covenant is to walk away from babel - from religious and political myths, corruptions, and counterfeits. I did, and then I walked to God along the path He has provided. And as I continue to learn from Yahowah's Word I continue to toss aside these misconceptions.

I changed my direction, attitude, and thinking. God didn't change. I turned away from religion and to God. The one thing above all else which stands out in Scripture is that Yahowah does not change, nor does His teaching.

So, I will continue to learn. The more I study the more I will understand. And that means that myths and mistakes I inherited from human institutions will one by one be rejected.


Can you put yourself in those 25 BCE Jewish shoes for me and see what you come up with?

Please give serious consideration to this matter. It has been on my mind for some time now.

TS

Yada wrote:
I have a better idea, Todd, one worth doing. Observe Yahowah's instructions. Listen to God. Walk away from your religion and walk to Yah along the path He provided. Come to know, understand, and respond to the terms and conditions of the Covenant. Put yourself in Abraham's shoes, but not for me, for yourself.

I have been working on an Introduction to God. I'll share it with you if you are willing to recognize that you are lost and need help, if you are willing to question religion and then discard it. If you are actually serious about knowing Yahowah and His plan, and if this means that will change your attitude, thinking and direction based upon His teaching, I'll send it to you. But if not, you are wasting your time and mine. The god of your hypotheticals isn't worth knowing and your questions aren't worth answering.

But don't take my word on this, consider Yahowah's.

Yada

Don't take my word for it, Look it up.

“The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it.” ― Ayn Rand
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