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J wrote:Shalom Yada,
I would like to hear your comment on the following if you don't mind? I have received numerous emails similar to this one.
Kind regards & blessings, J
Elohim Cannot die! Thus, Messiah cannot possibly be Elohim!
It is one of many simple common sense rebuttals of the anti-Messiah promoted by Christianity and counterfeit Messianism. In it I will directly confront, perhaps, THE most blasphemous implication resulting from the false "God in the flesh" Messiah concept.
Mt 16:21 21 From that time forth began Yahshua to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Parallels Mark 8:31, 9:31,32, 10:32-34 Luke 9:22,31,44,45, 18:31-34 So, here we see that Yahshua the Messiah most definitely DID die! Well, if he is G-d, that means G-d can die. Umm? Let's see what the Scriptures say about that.
Deuteronomy 32:39-40 KJV 39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. 40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live forever.
Psalm 90:2 KJV 2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Psalm 102:27 KJV 27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
1 Timothy 6:16 KJV 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amein.
It appears to be very clear to me. YHVH Elohim (G-d) obviously cannot die! Let me enlighten all those who believe Yahshua (jesus) the Messiah is God.
God has not, will not, and cannot be killed!
Step outside during a moonless cloudless night and look heavenward. The stars you see represent only an infinitesimally small fraction of the marvelous works or our glorious Creator God - the very same "God" Christians and counterfeit Messianics show no hesitation to gleefully announce as having been killed by being "nailed to the cross"! In fact, the concept that "God died (paid the price) for our sins so that we don't have to" is a permanent fixture in the minds of most deceived Christians and counterfeit Messianics. Not true you say? Well, Christians and counterfeit Messianics correctly state that "Yahshua (jesus) died (paid the price) for our sins so that we don't have to." However, since they believe Yahshua (or jesus) is "God in the flesh," they actually explicitly intend to say "God died for our sins so that we don't have to." This is a sure fact of their distorted understanding of Scripture regardless of their hesitancy sometimes to admit it openly, though MANY actually do admit it openly and actually feel they are in some twisted way glorifying God. What they do not realize is they are actually glorifying Satan by implying Satan was able to kill God! What unmitigated gall! What blasphemy! What utter unscriptural stupidity, and if I appear angered by the notion promoted by Christianity and counterfeit Messianism that God can die it is because I am!
There ARE many Christians who boldly, shamelessly, fearlessly, and openly promote that God indeed CAN and DID die! Note the following quote from a reader I suspect of being a defender of Catholicism as he "responded" to the issue I raise in this article. "...if YHWH cannot take flesh, die and resurrect Himself, He is not omnipotent. He can't really be God." People like him are probably beyond the reach of truth. Such grotesque appeals to God's "sovereignty," "omnipotence", etc., as though they are glorifing God, are common among those who refuse to release their eternaldeath grip on their blasphemous beliefs. In fact, such irreverent appeals to "omnipotence" are second only to the infamous ejection device of the "unexplainable mystery" as the primary "proof" put forth by man-God promoters in their attempts to wiggle free from the sacrilege and absence of common sense inherent in their "God in the flesh" Messiah arguments.
I can understand how the average Constantinian Christian and counterfeit Messianic, who have not pondered the implications of the false man-God Messiah concept, may innocently accept that God can die. There are millions who are sincere but have simply not fully considered the serious irreverence, inconsistency, and unscriptural absurdity regarding the issue of the alleged deity of Messiah. However, for someone who claims a high level of Scriptural knowledge (as he did) to proclaim with careful and intentional forethought that God can die is beyond my comprehension and shows how he and others like him lack even the most basic grasp of the Almighty Creator's nature. He is a classic example of those to whom the apostle Sha'ul (Paul) was referring when he stated:
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 (NASB) 7 For the mystery of lawlessness (anti-Torah or anti-Law) is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 And then that lawless one will be revealed whom the YHWH will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
Frankly, teaching or believing that the Almighty, Eternal, Infinite Father can die or be killed is the most extreme example of outright blasphemy against the Eternal God that is possible to imagine and demonstrates the tragic failure of most Christians and counterfeit Messianics/Nazarenes to grasp the awesome and invincible nature of the ONE True YHVH Elohim (God). The only example that approaches such a despicable thought is the teaching that God can be enticed to sin, which I discuss in a separate article. And guess what? That teaching also glorifies Satan, which I discuss in the article linked to from the previous sentence! Do you see a common "glorifying principle" here within Constantinian Christian and counterfeit Messianic doctrine? It would be wise for you to ponder this fact. The failure to grasp a basic understanding of the infinite Creator YHVH is fundamental to false doctrine and is due to the demonic hordes that rule the Beastly false Constantinian religion and their ability to breed and deceive naive people into zealously proclaiming unscriptural doctrines.
The level of irreverence shown by Christians and counterfeit Messianics towards the ONE and ONLY Creator God is nothing short of astounding! I realize that the vast majority, due to Christianity's and counterfeit, Christianized Messianic Judaism's teachings, are sincerely ignorant of the horrendous depth of error that is implicit in their belief that Messiah is God yet died! Most Christians and Messianics do not intend to blaspheme God and are sincere in their belief. However, they have NOT thought it through or really pondered how terribly wrong they are in their belief that God can - and did - die. I do NOT judge as condemned those who disagree with me, since I feel they are simply uninformed and brainwashed by Satan's deception and because we are strongly commanded to NEVER, EVER judge anyone as being eternally condemned - only God and the ones He commissions have the authority to eternally judge. Oddly, those who promote the notion God DID and CAN die (Christian and counterfeit Messianic leaders) often show no fear of God as they take upon themselves the office of eternal judge and forcefully "condemn to hell" those like myself who staunchly stand by our firm and true conviction that God has not, cannot, and will not die and that Messiah is NOT God!
Some people, such as the person I quoted previously, have the flippant audacity to dare suggested that I need to furnish more passages than I provided at the start of this discussion to prove God cannot die. The eagerness some people have to promote that God, as Messiah, can be killed is shocking. Anyone requiring more proof of God's immortal, infinite, invincible, timeless, and eternal nature is beyond hope. Were God NOT to exist or be killed the universe itself would cease to exist! Were God to die time would stop and all that is would cease to be! Yet, Christians and counterfeit Messianics are actually zealous in their promotion that God died! The very thought of such a disgusting, demonic concept enrages me and strengthens my resolve to oppose - WITH ALL THE ENERGY GOD SUPPLIES ME - the anti-God teaching that Messiah died yet is God! I am repulsed by such sickening dribble!
I will not devote much time to the evil notion that YHVH can die! It is to me - though not to Christians and counterfeit Messianics - an abomination to even think such a blasphemous thought! God cannot die; however, since Satan cannot kill God - his Creator also - he does the next best thing by promoting the lie that God can be killed. The very Romans that killed the Messiah that was resurrected by the ONLY TRUE God later created a religion in Rome (Christianity and her offspring, counterfeit Messianics Judaism) that is based upon the mystery Babylon pagan, polytheistic, and sometimes pantheistic faith. That false faith has now effectively killed God in the minds of those who are adherents to the pagan Constantinian religion began in Rome.
YHVH cannot be killed. Yahshua was killed. Therefore, using NECESSARY inference and common sense, Yahshua is not YHVH. No more proof is required Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device Yada wrote:J, When we focus on Yahowsha' rather than Yahowah, as this debate is doing, we are distracted from the fact that Yahowah is our savior. That is what Yahowsha' means. Also, mashyach is used as an adjective, not a title, in Scripture, and most notably in Dany'el. It speaks of the "chosen and set apart messenger." But we do find Ma'aseyah, which means the "Work of Yahowah," used some twenty times in the Tanakh as a name. So I prefer it, as does Yah. It is true, Yahowah cannot die. So one must come to understand what happened on Pesach, Matsah, and Bikuwrym in the Yowbel year of 4000 Yah (33CE). And for that you have to turn to Scripture - something which is found exclusively in the Torah, Prophets, and Psalms. There you will find that the Set Apart Spirit of Yahowah left the body and soul of Yahowsha' so that the body, and only the physical body, of Yahowsha' could serve as the Passover Lamb and the soul of Yahowsha' could go to the place of separation on Unleavened Bread to remove our sin. His body was destroyed that night in accord with Pesach. And His soul and Yah's Spirit were reunited on Bikuwrym as the first born of the Covenant. All of this is presented in the Salvation Volume of YadaYah.com. You have to be very careful citing the so-called "Christian New Testament." Paul was a false prophet, making half of it counterproductive. And of the rest, we only have three books which can be reasonably tied to eyewitnesses, Mattanyah, Yahowchanan, and Revelation. But even with them, Hebrew and Aramaic conversations have been translated into Greek and have been very, very carelessly maintained - even deliberately changed. Moreover, the Covenant has not yet been renewed, so the whole mythos of a "New Testament" is completely erroneous. When you come to see Yahowsha' as a diminished and set apart manifestation of Yahowah from the perspective of the Torah, Prophets, and Psalms, you will have ample evidence to successfully debate and disprove the religious zealots. And for that, I would encourage reading www.IntroToGod.org, www.YadaYah.com, and www.QuestioningPaul.com. Yada |