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Location: Angel Fire, NM
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With today being Thanksgiving - I'll share my different mindset
I'm very mindful of the victims of this "great" "christian" Nation's climb to prosperity, abundance, dominance, and world influence.
Where would we (USA) be if there had not been the need for it to climb such a bloody ladder?
We found out Tues that my wife has severe stenosis of the spine and will need surgery.
We live on the side of a mountain so stairs are the only way to get in and around the house.
I work full time and my job has me out of town for the week too often (each of the next 2 weeks)
Now that I've heeded Yahuweh's call to leave the "church" and christianity - we have no kind of support or fellowship here, we don't even have any friends (for Thanksgiving we are going over to Pam's hairdresser's house).
Through my journey I kept hearing "God has you right where He wants you"
Is this so????
He wants us alone, no fellowship, no one to even pray with us or enjoy coffee with, no one to come over to lend some emotional support, as we go thru this????
Is this where Yahuweh wants me??
If so, it will take me all the way down - it's going to overwhelm and wear me down physically and emotionally.
The idea of a day of rest just got blasted off my calendar for the foreseeable future.
Yea, He says that He will never leave us or forsake us, but having real flesh and blood to lean on would be a tangible world of difference.
His walking beside me as I carry the firewood up isn't going to help out in the physical reality.
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Rank: Member  Joined: 7/4/2007 Posts: 1,489 Points: 4,240 Location: England
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Hey dude. Yea I would love more fellowship too, its seems like we have it good here - with my wife in the same boat as I am and Swalchy just down the road... but yes tis a very lonely existence. Are you in the right place? Well you need to look at the evidence I suppose... Would Yah want you in a place that spoke against Him, thinking about it would you want to be in a place where your friends had a distorted and ignorant view of Yah? Without support, especially in your current situation must be really hard, and If I could I would fly over and give you a hand dude, seriously. Unfortunately we seem to be the first shoots, although more people seem to spring up in slowly increasing numbers, truth, logic and reason are not popular - as you know. Sorry I missed you in the chat the other day, if you get the time just try and stick around a while - if I'm not there its coz I am away from the keyboard - but I will be around for sure! Our TinyChat meeting room is currently here: CLICK TO GOTO ROOM Password: "yadayahweh"
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Dear Walt,
My prayers are with you. I grew up in Los Alamos, NM, and we sometimes drive through the Angel Fire area on our way to visit family in Los Alamos. I really love the smell of Ponderosa pine and the whole aura of the NM landscape.
I need to call our son, Walt, today; he is presently serving in Afghanistan; pray for him too.
By the way, how are your feet?
Lassie1865
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Rank: Moderator  Joined: 10/23/2007 Posts: 1,232 Points: 1,858 Location: Texas
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I'm sorry to hear things are so rough right now Walt, I wish there was something I could do to help. I will keep you in my prayers, and I hope Yahuweh will bring you through these troubling times. Just remember we ain't got to much time left here anyway, and then things will be better then we have ever known them. Don't take my word for it, Look it up.
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Rank: Ekklesia  Joined: 10/3/2007 Posts: 1,178 Points: 2,986 Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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I feel for you Walt and I pray that Yahweh will work things for the good in your lives.
If it's any encouragement, if you read In The Company you'll see how Yahweh took CW through a gruelling process to get him where He wants him. CW climbed, ney built, a huge mountain only to see others bring it crashing to ground while at the same time being publically crucified by the media for his endeavours. Then Yahweh took him on a trip through Islam, I haven't read Tea With Terrorists, I have POD (well read most of it), so I'm assuming Yahweh used his Islamic experience to prepare him to critically analyse Scripture and thereby discover the real Truth. Plus through it all CW has learnt to spot deceit very quickly and not to fear confronting it. He went through an epic journey to get where he is today, hence why we have Yada Yahweh today.
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Rank: Advanced Member  Joined: 9/7/2008 Posts: 515 Points: 1,368
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Walt, I pray for the returned health of your wife and for Yahweh's presence and direction to become obvious to you both. May His Spirit be poured out upon you bringing the enlightenment and guidance and support you seek. Know that those who have posted their good wishes here are but a tip of the iceberg of those who read these posts and care and pray. We are all at your side in spirit. “Because he clings to Me, is joined to Me, loves and delights in Me, desires Me, therefore I will deliver him, carry him safely away, cause him to escape from harm making him inaccessible and strong, and delivering him safely to heaven, because he has known, observed, cared for, recognized, instructed and advised others to use, designated, acknowledged, discerned, answered in, My name, authority, character, report, mark, and nature." Psalm 91:14
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Shabbat Shalom, I hear you, Walt. For a while I was wondering about my situation here in Malaysia, alone and without anyone to talk to. Sure we had the website but there was no forum in the earlier days. Fortunately, I plucked up the courage to get involved when I was sure that the forum was not a place of kooks and naysayers. I was proven wrong now and then with some colourful characters posting in the forum, but by and large I am fortunate to have met one believer from Texas, and have seen the faces of some of our Family in England and the USA. Are we alone in our place of abode? Not by a long shot... as long as we have the Net! Of course, even without the Net we do have the Ruach Qodesh and Yahweh is with us always. we are not always there for Him but He is always here with us and for us. After reaching out to several people over the past few years -- in the midst of Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism among other religions -- He drew an old friend out of my past to the Family and I am now constantly in touch with him feeding him information from YY as he is past 70 and has hearing and sight problems. I have learnt to look beyond "loneliness" simply by tapping into the Work that He has set out in front of me: to get to know Him first. Perhaps your location is supposed to help you get to focus on Him first, and grow in knowledge and truth before you are ready to testify for Him. None of us can tell for sure but I am certain that should you need to shout out to someone here there will always be a few ears and eyes empathetic to your situation. I think almost all of us are practically the same boat, so if this is how you feel, welcome to the Club! Glad to have you with us! And as for the health of your family, I believe that if you do the right things and reach out to Yahweh in earnestness, He will take care of all your needs, health included. Peace! The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of Wisdom.
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Rank: Member  Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 472 Points: 1,188 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Walt I certainly feel your pain. I think a number of us here feel pretty lonely. I know I do. Your name will certainly be on my tongue as I pray for you and your wife. I wanna see them days when dudes ain't hustlin' baking pies, throwing up gang signs, but got changed lives -- throwing up props to the Most High/We got bodies glorified, dressed in righteous acts - fresh kicks to match - new names, brims low rockin' fitted caps/We ain't chasing dough, nor hoes, pleasure in the presence of Yahuweh Tsidkenu
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Shabbat Shalom Walt,
I want to agree in petitioning Yahweh on you and your wife's situation. I dearly wish that pain, suffering, separation were not part of our existence, even after coming to know Yahweh, but I've reluctantly come to accept that these are aspects of our current state. It certainly helps to have close fellowship and hope that you'll find this more locally soon, in the meanwhile I hope that it will be of some comfort to recognize that you're not alone.
-Theophilus
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Location: Angel Fire, NM
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Thank you all GREATLY for you concern, encouragement and prayers (posted and unposted).
I don't resent having to go thru this - it's part of life, and people go thru much much worse everyday
It's the not having anyone to stand along side and help as we go thru it, especially for my wife when I'm out of town for the week
My consistent and ongoing prayer starting when I entered christianity 10 years ago, having now traveled out of it, was 2 fold:
Bring a believing lady friend into my wife's life
Bring someone into our life to help disciple us
I have tearfully cried out these prayers to Yahuweh over and over to no avail
I don't think what I'm asking is that much, I'm not asking for her to be healed, just someone to come sit and talk with her
I just can't understand why Yahuweh hasn't answered
What I'm asking for lines up with Scripture
Maybe I've still got to much christian baggage thinking Yahuweh cares about us in a individualist way: beyond giving us life thru Salvation and establishing a relationship. The "God even cares about the small stuff" mindset.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/4/2007 Posts: 1,489 Points: 4,240 Location: England
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can I ask where you see "Bring a believing lady friend into my wife's life" and "Bring someone into our life to help disciple us" - I'm just curious :) And I must say again, I am really lucky with my wife... but even with a wife who believes we are still alone lol even with Swalchy! Our TinyChat meeting room is currently here: CLICK TO GOTO ROOM Password: "yadayahweh"
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Robskiwarrior wrote:can I ask where you see "Bring a believing lady friend into my wife's life" and "Bring someone into our life to help disciple us" - I'm just curious :)
And I must say again, I am really lucky with my wife... but even with a wife who believes we are still alone lol even with Swalchy!
Well the disciple us comes from what christianity calls "the great commission - but is that even true? My wife having a believing lady friend just comes from the picture I see (Probably wrongly so) painted (mainly in Acts) of fellowship between disciples of Messiah - meeting day to day, taking meals together
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/4/2007 Posts: 1,489 Points: 4,240 Location: England
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naa sorry - I wasn't trying to disprove it, just interested. My Christian head would have agreed with you instantly you see, but my questioning head, well, questions... lol Our TinyChat meeting room is currently here: CLICK TO GOTO ROOM Password: "yadayahweh"
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Hi Walt, I am praying for you and your wife. My wife and I went to see my folks and relatives last week for Thanksgiving. Two years ago at Thanksgiving, after announcing that I wasn’t eating pork and shell fish anymore they all thought that I had gone off the deep end. This year it was very frustrating to talk to my Mom who thinks that when she dies that that is it. Well, that may be true for her, but it doesn’t have to be that way. I sensed a lot of rebellion toward Yahweh while talking to her last week. My Dad confuses religion with God. I told him that they were completely different. I don’t think he understood anything I said. I don’t think anyone else in my family is even searching for the truth. My wife isn’t a believer either but she is accepting of me. So at least your wife is a believer also. I had the pleasure of meeting Bitnet and his wife on June 20, 2008 in Malaysia. I have met other believers in Yahweh and Yahshua in Texas. I am not sure where you live Walt but you may want to look at this website. http://www.eliyah.com/fellowship/I know that fellowship over the internet and e-mail isn’t the same as personally being in the same room but you always have everyone at the Yada Yahweh Forum to fellowship with. Shabbat Shalom!
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/4/2007 Posts: 1,489 Points: 4,240 Location: England
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Never knew about that fellowship finder on eliyah.com! Our TinyChat meeting room is currently here: CLICK TO GOTO ROOM Password: "yadayahweh"
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Mike wrote:Hi Walt, I am praying for you and your wife. My wife and I went to see my folks and relatives last week for Thanksgiving. Two years ago at Thanksgiving, after announcing that I wasn’t eating pork and shell fish anymore they all thought that I had gone off the deep end. This year it was very frustrating to talk to my Mom who thinks that when she dies that that is it. Well, that may be true for her, but it doesn’t have to be that way. I sensed a lot of rebellion toward Yahweh while talking to her last week. My Dad confuses religion with God. I told him that they were completely different. I don’t think he understood anything I said. I don’t think anyone else in my family is even searching for the truth. My wife isn’t a believer either but she is accepting of me. So at least your wife is a believer also. I had the pleasure of meeting Bitnet and his wife on June 20, 2008 in Malaysia. I have met other believers in Yahweh and Yahshua in Texas. I am not sure where you live Walt but you may want to look at this website. http://www.eliyah.com/fellowship/I know that fellowship over the internet and e-mail isn’t the same as personally being in the same room but you always have everyone at the Yada Yahweh Forum to fellowship with. Shabbat Shalom! THANKS Mike I'm up in the mountains of northern NM (Angel Fire) I've used the fellowship finder - the closest groups I could find were several hours away, but I went and checked them out. One in Santa Fe was to "Jewish": reciting traditional Jewish prayers from a rabbinical book, facing towards Israel to pray, women having to cover their heads to pray or sing ect Another in Abq was a sacred name group that required women to wear skirts/dresses and was adamant that Yahuweh and Yahushua was wrong as a name Yes I’m blessed that my wife is accepting to what is proclaimed here Where are you in Tx?
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Walt wrote:
Another in Abq was a sacred name group that required women to wear skirts/dresses and was adamant that Yahuweh and Yahushua was wrong as a name
Out of curiosity Walt, what did they say that the right names where? Don't take my word for it, Look it up.
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James wrote:Out of curiosity Walt, what did they say that the right names where?
It was Yahweh's Assembly in Yahshua out of MO They told me if you use the names Yahuweh and Yahushua, then you won't be saved.
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Shalom, Fascinating about that MO congregation! They use the names, and yet not use the names... how twisty can that get!? And here I am trying to get the people around me to understand whom they pray to when they call out "Our Father in heaven, holy be your name..." The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of Wisdom.
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Rank: Moderator Joined: 10/23/2007 Posts: 1,232 Points: 1,858 Location: Texas
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Walt wrote:It was Yahweh's Assembly in Yahshua out of MO
They told me if you use the names Yahuweh and Yahushua, then you won't be saved.
That is very perplexing. I would love to hear the convoluted logic that goes in to that. Don't take my word for it, Look it up.
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Hi Walt, I have listened to a lot of the MP3 files from YAIY in Missouri and never got the impression that they believe that “if you use the names Yahuweh and Yahushua, then you won't be saved”. Are you sure that the New Mexico group is associated with the Missouri group? Anyway, people can judge for themselves here: http://www.yaiy.org/
I am in the DFW Metroplex. Approximately 650 miles from your home.
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Mike wrote:Hi Walt, I have listened to a lot of the MP3 files from YAIY in Missouri and never got the impression that they believe that “if you use the names Yahuweh and Yahushua, then you won't be saved”. Are you sure that the New Mexico group is associated with the Missouri group? Anyway, people can judge for themselves here: http://www.yaiy.org/
I am in the DFW Metroplex. Approximately 650 miles from your home. The guy in Abq is one of the elders at YAIY - "elder" Dick (they go by title & name" It was elder Dave in MO that put me in contact with elder Dick, and it was in email communication that elder Dave told me they don't recognize Yahuweh or Yahushua and you must use Yahweh and Yahsuah to be saved - the spelling of Yahweh and Yahshua was given to the founder as a revelation by God and is undisputable. Also elder Dave, when we went to meet him, informed us that my wife MUST wear a skirt or dress if we come to any Sabbath studies or Feasts, or we wouldn't be welcome. Do you have some borthers and sisters you observe the Miqra'ey with? It would be worth the drive for us to celebrate with others.
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