Hi Bitnet:

Go to http://www.jesuswordsonly.com, and you should be able to read stuff on it

One has therefore to wonder who else incorrectly classed themselves as an "apostle", due to the fact that Revelation 2:1-2 mentions those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. Plural words = plurality of people, not just one person.

It should also be noted that a lot of the stuff on that Wikipedia page is out-of-date - scholarship has moved on from the early 19th Century F.C. Baur.

I currently have Craig's latest update to Chrestus - Useful Implement. I've decided not to attach it to the forum, do to the fact that then just anyone can download it, and it's probably best that "Christians" don't have direct access to it - they'd like it even less if they don't like the rest of YY.

So, email me at theway - at - thewaytoyahuweh.com (replace - at - with @) if you want a copy, and I'll send it you :)

What was the Aramaic, or Hebrew, equivalent of the Greek word euangelion? Does the word appear in the eye-witness accounts as if Yahshua said it or do we only find it later in the Renewed Covenant Writings?

I don't understand. If Yada Yaheweh has information regarding Paul that can help free Christians of his religion, why wouldn't it be shared? It is important for Christians to have the opportunity to be exposed to this information. Hiding and restricting accessibiility to this information seems contrary to the use of Yada Yahweh as a tool to help. Our job is to simply present the truth. People will come to their own conclusions. The most loving thing we can do is give Christians any and all information we have to help them come out of their religion. Hiding information isn't going to help in this regard. Please reconsider the current plan regarding the presentation of Paul in Galatians.

Noah

Thanks Swalchy! But if I'm honest I wasn't straight, I was thinking of the word metanoeo, but for some reason thought euangelion meant changing one's thinking, attitude and perspective. I'll have a read through the Metanoeo chapter because maybe CW addresses my question there.

I think this Galatians debate will be lingering on for a pretty long time, and many Christians will turn away from the forum, and YY, without considering the rest if we were to say Paul is a false prophet and promote it as one of the core beliefs, but then again there'll also be people who'll be attracted to YY if Paul is not promoted. I know in my early walk I rejected a Messianic group who rejected Paul's writings, I didn't even consider the rest of what they had to say. Paul is deeply rooted in Christianity, there's no question about it. If I has seen YY rejecting Paul in my early walk then I wouldn't of even opened an eye-lid to it, but that's just me. Maybe coming out in the open is the way to go, being frank and honest, like Yahshua was, but for that to happen those responsible for presenting Paul as a false prophet really need to be sure of their decision.

Anyway, I've been listening to all the radio shows and CW has said a number of times that he's been revising what he's written in his drafts. He wants to be sure, and complete, before "publishing" his work online, as any rational person should, as it truly is divisive. Also, some of us are waiting for him to finish his work before commenting on the forum, and on the radio I haven't yet seen anybody really challenge him on his take, which I would really like to see. I've already mentioned on the forum that I currently don't agree with his understanding of Galatians. But before I share my thoughts in full and my many questions I'm waiting for CW to post his works online which will give me time to go through it properly, because maybe I change my mind if convinced of his argument point by point. I want to be sure of my stance, because it truly is a huge change and will have dramatic effects on my personal life, and plus I don't want to be rash and say something stupid. If I disagree on things I have a desire to lash out while unprepared for the response, just ask my wife, instead of taking the time to look at the facts, think things through and approach in a way geared towards learning and being constructive. Many times I've slept on the couch because of my immature actions, my immature loud mouth. And the last thing I want is to be alienated from a group of people -you guys- who are geared towards learning the truth no matter what the costs.

So far I have plenty of things I disagree with or am somewhat unsure of so I want to take my time with this.

Here are just two things of which I'm somewhat in disagreement with, and would like to address already:

1) CW says Paul is against marriage, hence against God's Covenant, which I can understand why CW says what he says, but passages such as Luke 14:15-35, especially verses 20 and 33, suggest marriage could be a hindrance, and these words have been taken directly from Yahshua. Now without thinking I could say something stupid like "why did CW not quote this passage when saying what he said" as if implying CW hasn't done the obvious, but since I want to think things through, walk in love and be a brother I would rephrase my question, for example "how would CW relate Luke 14 to Paul's opinion on the matter, can Paul's words be justified with what Yahshua said." A slight difference in tone and use of words helps us all instead of creating more damage, and hopefully preventing alienation of people. In my approach (and this is a personal battle of mine) I must realise that I'm on the same page as CW, in other words, a child of Yahweh, and that we are all working towards understanding Yahweh and the Way better, instead of being on the opposide side of the fence and against my brother in Yahshua. Which leads me on to the next point, and is relevant if I think about it.

2) CW in episode 30-32 (not sure which one) said Paul incorrectly listed "love your neighbour" in Galatians 5:14 as the commandment summing up the Torah when it should be to love Yahweh with all your heart. Now, out of the context that I see Paul discussing and in a general sense I agree with CW, but when related to the specific passages surrounding the verse, where people are bickering and arguing with and devouring each other, I think Paul had a valid claim because the Torah has the solution to help us stop our infighting, which is to love each other (Leviticus 19:18), hence why Paul says the entire Torah can be summed up in loving each other, as Yahshua mentioned as well in Matthew 22:36-40. To love each other would be to work towards a common goal, and as the expression goes, without killing each other in the procees. Yahshua (well an English translation of His words) says the second law "is like, resembles and is similar to"* the first commandment, which I think adds weight to Paul's claim, hence why I think Paul's claim is valid. Also, I think it's obvious that to love Yahweh is the greatest commandment of all -and I assume the Galatians already knew that- followed on the heels by loving one's neighbour. We must seek ways to build, encourage and edify each other (for example CW sharing his studies for free online), going out of our way to help others and our brothers, rather than seeking our own selfish ways, like pleasing those desires contrary to Scripture, for example trying to prove "I'm right and you're wrong" if based upon selfish gain which could serve to puff up one's egoism (hmmm... some would see Galatians this way), or trying to earn God's salvation through our own pain and blood and strentgh, our own good works and on merit, and making a profit while we're at it, the things upon which religions are built and which lead to infighting when arguments follow.

*Thanks Swalchy for your translation of Matthew 22:39



Thanks again.

Reason I ask is because CW puts a lot of emphasis on the word. Does the word nacham (H5162) mean the same as metanoeo? Does the Hebrew differ from the Aramaic word? I'm not against the Greek word, in fact I like it, but was curios to know the word the Messiah would've used in His Aramaic speeches, unless He quoted a Hebrew passage with the word nacham in.

Perhaps a copy of Shem Tov Matthew could help, but apparently the oldest copy we have dates to about the 11th or 15th century.

Me and James should now have the first six Chapters of the new section of Yada Yahweh.

PM James or email me theway - at - thewaytoyahuweh.com (replace - at - with @) in order to obtain a copy :)

Or go to http://www.thewaytoyahuweh.com/contact and use that to send me an email :)

Well, as it's very unlikely that Craig will read this thread, you should email him you thoughts on this at email - at - yadayahweh.com (replace - at - with @)

:)

Another question I have included in the first chapter is the use of the Chi Rho. Craig writes:



I've tried to do some research on this but wouldn't those who display, what looks like an "X" and "P", simply tell you that this is a symbol which represents the title Messiyah?

What Craig was saying is that the names that replaced the placeholders, could have been written by the original authors, had they wanted to, but since they didn't write those names, and they did use the placeholders, it is obvious that the names that later replaced the placeholders, where not intended by the authors.

Example:
If the authors had wanted to convey Iesous where Yahushua's name was they could have, but since they chose to use the placeholder Iota Epsilon (ΙΗ), we can be certain that Iesous was not what they meant to convey, and replacing Iota Epsilon (ΙΗ)with Iseus was wrong.

SO in when Craig says that they replaced the placeholders with names that could have been rendered had the authors intended them to be rendered he means that they put Iesous where Iota Epsilon (ΙΗ)was, and that if the authors had meant Iesous they would have wrote Iesous, and not Iota Epsilon (ΙΗ).

Sorry if I was a bit redundant, but I'm never sure if I am explaining well, and figure redundancy will fix my inability to communicate well.

My Bad. It's all Greek to me.

Here is a book that offers a more charitable reading of Rabbi Shaul's letter to the Galatians.

I have become acquainted with the author and have enjoyed talking with him.

Paul Didn't Eat Pork: Reappraising Paul The Pharisee (Paperback)



Lehman neither throws Paul under the bus, nor deifies him. He puts Paul's letter in historical and societal context.

This is a "gateway book" for those who are not quite ready for YY, TOM, etc.

Yes, I got a note back from Craig, and it sounds like we're all in one accord.

Just when I read that section of the new chapters, it sounded heavy on the "understanding", and light on the "doing".

In His Love,
RidesWithYah.

Well, it would have to be entrances, for the Greek word is plural, not singular (hence gates). But then, πύλη are the doors to the entrance, not the actual entrance-way itself.

So, the "folding doors of Sha'uwl" doesn't make much sense at all to me.

Need help with Greek --

In the new chapters, Craig mentions the prophecy of Yahshua, which is recorded in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 17, about false prophets.

The KJV of Matthew 24 reads
The second comma, before "I am Christ", makes it read as though they are claiming to be "Christ".
Without the comma, it would read "saying I am Christ"; or, rather, acknowledging that Yahshua is the Messiyah.

I know the early manuscripts don't have the benefit of punctuation,
but do the words chosen (Matthew, Mark, or Luke) clarify whether Yahshua was warning that others would claim to be Him;
or that there would be false prophets that acknowledge Him, and yet deceive many?
Word choice would make a BIG difference in whether this verse is applicable to Sha'uwl.

That's a really good point RidesWithYah. From how I read Swalchy's translation it sounds like many will come acknowledging that Yahshua is the Messiah - not claiming to be the Messiah themselves.

Rides with Yah, Craig addresses that verse in the anomos chapter of QP

CW seems to suggest that the meaning of the word eimi also includes to "represent", in other words "I am, exist as, belong to, or represent, the Anointed Messiah", but Swalchy's translation doesn't include the word, his simply says "I am and exist as the Anointed Messiah".