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So I recently read that the "J" wasn't invented until the 1500s, and that the name "Jesus" didn't appear until 1550 something. But in an online version of Martin Luther's German translation, dated 1545, there it is plain as day. Bible Gateway's LutherDoes anyone know when the name "Jesus" was first used? Thanks, RidesWithYah.
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Hi Rides; What you see there isn't a capital English J, but is actually a German J, which gives a Y sound (Hence why you pronounce the German Ja, not as our English would pronounce Jah, but as how would we would pronounce Yah). Saying that, are we certain that the Martin Luther Bible on Bible Gateway is actually a direct copy of his Bible, or how the KJV on Bible Gateway isn't actually the original KJV bible? I actually found a website claiming to have a version of the Tyndale New Testament on it, only to find, whilst it was certainly Tyndale's word usage, they had been updated to modern English spelling of the words, hence when Tyndale says "werde", this had "word" instead. Again, I have unfortunately never seen an official Martin Luther Bible from 1545, so I've no idea how it looked exactly when it was first printed.
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The first time the name "Jesus" showed up in the Authorized, or "King James" Version, was 1629. Until then (from from the translation's introduction in 1611 onward), it was rendered Iesus. I can't speak for other languages or writings in English.
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Yeah, it must actually be said that the German J, isn't the equivalent to our English J, as it's actually pronounced as "yot", indicating that the German J is more or less equivalent to our Y, even though the Germans do have a "Y", but it's actually pronounced uupsilon (not all that different from the Greek υ, upsilon).
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Some time ago I found a Photo of the 1611 KJV. Jesus was spelled IESUS and James was spelled Iames
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highbrow wrote:Some time ago I found a Photo of the 1611 KJV. Jesus was spelled IESUS and James was spelled Iames  Courtesy of Eliyah.com
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Shabbat Shalom, I think that you can order the Tyndale book if you so wish. There you can see the old gothic alphabet and how they write and spell names. In comparison, Shakespeare looks absolutely modern! The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of Wisdom.
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