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Can someone call on the name of Jesus and still be saved? Options · View
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#81 Posted : Friday, July 03, 2009 4:29:11 AM
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Shalom,

Simple arithmetic -->mathematics --> additional mathematics --> pure mathematics... you grow and you learn. Same with this relationship with our Creator. As we grow we learn more of Him, and as we learn more of Him we grow. We can't grow if we stop learning who He is and accepting Him for whom He reveals Himself to be! However you perceive Him to be, Yahweh is Yahweh, and whether He is lord and master or father and sustainer depends on what you want in this relationship. Whip cracker or nurturer? A little of both? Perhaps He is. That's why He says He is "I Am." If you feel that you should fall prostrate once in a while, do so. Kneel? Sure. Stand? Of course. Sit? Even better! Which would you feel most comfortable doing? Which do you think He wants you to do? How do you get from prostrating to sitting? A world of difference! And it begins in the mind, and manifests in your actions, and your words are an action of your mind. That's why we have to confess it first, and when you do you open your mind to the Set-Apart Spirit who will reveal more of Yahweh.

In several cultures, such as the Chinese, children are taught to bow to their parents from a young age, especially during some ceremonies like during the Chinese New Year. In Japan, people bow to each other. Does this mean that they acknowledge the other as their lord and master or pray to them? Of course not! Well, not in most cases. It usually only means that you respect the person in front of you, whether past or present. That's perhaps why people also bow at monuments for fallen soldiers or leaders, or at grave sites. Are they praying to those dead people? Not for most, although in some cultures they actually do pray for the dead. Most of the time it's just to acknowledge the love and sacrifice of the deceased in the past.

But I digress. The point is, when we learn Truth we should stick to it and not turn back to things that are unprofitable, or even encourage those things that are unprofitable. It's one thing to let Christians pray they way they have always done, but another to encourage them to continue in error. If you can't/won't correct or criticize, do not condone! Not condoning does not mean acceptance, and condemnation does not always mean correction. Soon, the lines will drawn even deeper in the sand such that you have no choice but to express one belief or the other. What better way than to start now?
The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of Wisdom.
James
#82 Posted : Monday, July 06, 2009 1:25:21 PM
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Matthew wrote:
What about people who come to know the Truth but still turn away from Yahweh and continue it Constantine's Christianity? Well, I'm not sure about their outcome, but for me I'm gonna continue seeking Yahweh and try remove pagan influences from my life because I know that's what Yahweh wants. And I will share the Truth with others, and hopefully they'll come to know Yahweh.


Well stated Matthew
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Heretic Steve
#83 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 6:46:32 PM
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When saved? Hmmm, lets see. One day I was walking to a fav fishing hole when this extraordinarily bright light floored me and I went blind for a spell, (hahaha, just kiddin', just kiddin'). Can't put a time and date on the actual transition. But I am aware of a near obsession with scrip/YY. That combined with a desire to tell others about Yahshua ben Yahweh and a undying animos towards the world, (read Babylonian), system and it's promoters. I've also noticed that communing with Yah is ever more important with each passing day. Although I must confess something. I frequently fantasize on how cool it would be if I could actually hear his voice with my ears. Like Abraham, Moses, Samuel, the apostles. The thought of being able to carry on a conversation with Him just as I would another person using my mouth and ears, well that would be to cool. Not being able to do so is somewhat frustrating...
If not us, who? If not now, when?
sirgodfrey
#84 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:38:01 PM
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The thought of being able to carry on a conversation with Him just as I would another person using my mouth and ears, well that would be to cool. Not being able to do so is somewhat frustrating...


You are not alone Steve. It is indeed frustrating wanting to actually speak with Him and hear Him. I look forward to the day when I get to stare Him down face to face though -- that will be my BIG chance!!
I wanna see them days when dudes ain't hustlin' baking pies, throwing up gang signs, but got changed lives -- throwing up props to the Most High/We got bodies glorified, dressed in righteous acts - fresh kicks to match - new names, brims low rockin' fitted caps/We ain't chasing dough, nor hoes, pleasure in the presence of Yahuweh Tsidkenu

JamesH
#85 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:22:39 PM
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Can someone be saved in the name of Jesus? I'm still struggling with that question. Every scripture I read says in the name of Yahweh and no other name. Salvation or conception (the beginnings or origin of something) happens when we know who Yahweh is and Trust and rely on Yahweh's grace ( his sacrifice). It appears to me we would be no different than Maimonides if we say something other than what Yahweh's word says.

Just a thought J
Matthew
#86 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:17:32 PM
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I listened to the BlogtalkRadio/Yada radio broadcast for the day 20/7/2009 under the heading God's Word and at 13:30 into the broadcast CW addresses the question "how wrong can a person be and still be right" and "can someone be saved while not knowing Yahweh's and Yahshua's name." I really recommend listening to the whole 1 hour long broadcast as he spends this episode pretty much entirely dedicated to answering these questions.

Click HERE to directly listen to, or the following link: http://www.blogtalkradio...0/Yada-Yahweh-Gods-Word

Or click HERE to download the mp3 file (13.9MB size), or the following link: http://www.blogtalkradio....mp3?localembed=download
JamesH
#87 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:44:57 PM
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Thank you Matthew for posting that link I'm a couple of weeks behind on listing to the programs. I thank Yah for CW that program was Great
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