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#1 Posted : Monday, July 2, 2007 7:49:29 AM(UTC)
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I would like point out a correction - the use of - Yeshua, instead of the proper form - Yahushua.

To quote from: Future History, Chapter 1 - Why Bother, Brother?

http://futurehistory.yad..._Bother_Brother.Prophecy


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Also, even though the whole western world and every popular English Bible translation calls the Messiah "Jesus," I have taken the liberty of using His real name, the name his mother called Him: Yahshua (alternately pronounced Yahushua. The often-used short forms, Y’shua, Yeshua, or Yahsu, are corruptions which disguise the meaning of the Name). Yahshua means "Yahweh is salvation." The English word "Jesus" is not a translation; it is a transliteration of a transliteration, and it has lost every shred of its original meaning.


I wanted to poing this out to you because one of the purposes of YY is to expose and condemn that which is untrue. We are all here to learn and the only way to do this is to help each other by pointing out and correcting mistakes/errors.

-Yada


Further, please consider:

From Yesha’:

There is another Psalm which depicts Yahushua’s gift, emphasizing His Soul rather than His sacrifice. It is Psalm 88. It begins with the three most important names in creation: “Yahuweh ‘Elohiym Yashuw’ah.” (Psalm 88:1) Yahuweh is ‘Elohiym/God as is Yahushua, the diminished manifestation of Yahuweh in human form. In the next chapter, “Ga’al-Redemption,” we will study the Hebrew root of Yashuw’ah in depth because Yasha’yah/Isaiah uses the Messiah’s name frequently in his prophetic introduction to the Suffering Servant.

From Ga’al: Speaking of the Messiah’s ruling advent, Yasha’yah reveals: “In His (hiy) day (yowm) they will know that I Am He (hiy) who speaks (dabar – declares, converses, warns, promises, and says) ‘For (kiy) behold, look and see, here I Am (hinneh).’” (Isaiah 52:6) With the Yahudim, this will not occur in mass until the Messiah returns on Day of Atonement in 2033. There will be but 5 days left on mankind’s 6,000 year (2,191,500 day) history—a mere five seconds on a twenty-four hour clock.

You may wonder why I am certain that Yahuweh is associating “knowing His name” and His name’s influence on “being included in His family” with the return of the Messiah. It’s because He said so. “How lovely (na’ah – beautiful and befitting, attractively and appropriately adorned) upon the mountains are the feet of the One who brings and embodies (basar – bears and announces news of) restoration and renewal (shalowm – a completely sound, satisfied and favorable state; the blessings of loving kindness, friendship, and relationship; the granting of peace, safety, salvation, and well-being), the One who announces and proclaims good things (towb – that which is beneficial and agreeable, prosperous and valuable) who hears (shama’) Yahushua (Yashuw’ah) and says to (‘amar – speaks to and answers) Zion, ‘Your ‘Elohiym reigns!’” (Isaiah 52:7)

Also from Ga’al: The next verse is a sermon in itself. It confirms that Yahuweh can and will manifest Himself in a physical form who can be seen by all. The form is human. In Human form Yahuweh is Yahushua. “Yahuweh has bared (chasaph – uncovered and revealed) His Set-Apart (Qodesh) sacrificial Lamb (zarow’a) in the eyes of all Gentile nations (Gowy). And without exception, all the earth will see Yahushua (Yashuw’ah), Elohiym.” (Yasha’yah/Isaiah 52:10)

Translators are wont to say “Yashuw’ah (יְשׁוּעָה)” is “salvation,” calling Yashuw’ah a passive participle of yasha’ (יֵשַׁע). They do not explain why yasha’, which is already a masculine noun meaning “salvation” needs to be altered with the addition of two additional letters to remain as “salvation.” They don’t explain the unique coincidence that the additional letters serve to unify Yahuweh’s name with the Savior’s. If God were to create a compound title that combines His name and His mission, Yahuweh (יהוה) and Salvation (יֵשַׁע), it would be rendered: Yashuw’ah (יְשׁוּעָה). While I transliterate the sound of the Devine name with the English letters “Yahushua” for clarity and simplicity, phonetically, “Yashuw’ah” is identical to Yahushua.

In context, Isaiah 52:10 is destroyed when “Yashuw’ah,” the tangible and visible human manifestation of Yahuweh, is replaced by an intangible and invisible concept, “salvation.” Everything we have just read tells us that everyone will see Yahushua with their eyes. The startling reality that sobers the Yahudim, causing them to cry out Yahushua’s name and sing, “God is One Unity,” is the realization that Yashuw’ah is Messiah, Yahuweh manifest in human form.

It bears repeating: “In His day they will know that I Am He who says, ‘For behold, look and see, here I Am.’ So therefore, this is right, just, honest, verifiable, correct, and true: My family shall know My name. How lovely and appropriately adorned upon the mountains are the feet of the One who brings and embodies restoration and renewal, the One who announces and proclaims good things regarding that which is beneficial and agreeable, who hears, ‘Yashuw’ah’ and says to Zion, ‘Your Elohiym reigns!’ Listen, your watchmen lift up their voices and shout for joy, ‘Yachdiy’el,’ they sing. For in plain sight they will look upon, inspect, and observe with their own eyes Yahuweh’s return to Zion with mercy. Burst forth, sober up and shout: ‘Yachdiy’el,’ desolated Yaruwshalaim. Yahuweh has shown compassion and comforted His repentive and changed family, and He has redeemed and restored Yaruwshalaim. Yahuweh has bared and revealed His Set-Apart sacrificial Lamb in the eyes of all Gentiles. And without exception, all the earth will see Yashuw’ah, Elohiym.” (Yasha’yah/Isaiah 52:6-10)



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#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:19:54 PM(UTC)
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Here are a couple more papers to help us on the names of Yeshua or Yahushua.

to THE KEY OF KNOWLEDGE
by Bill Burton
Many say that the True Name of the Almighty has been forgotten, others say that we will never know how to pronounce His or His Son's Name until the Son returns for He has a Name that no one knows but Himself (Rev 19:12). However, that refers to His New Name (Rev 2:17; 3:12) which possibly will describe His new mission or purpose for His second coming. At His first coming He was given a name while He was still in the womb by the Angel of IAUE that He was to be called (Matt 1'21; Luke 1'31).
The Messiah Himself said that He came in His Father's Name, and was given His Father's Name (John 5:43; !7:11,12) and other Scriptures verify that (Deut 18:18,19; Acts 3:19-23; 7:37; Eph 1:21; Phil 2:9-11; Heb 1:4,5;). So to answer the age old question posed by Agur the prophet, "What is His Name, and what is His Son's Name", we first have to know His Father's Name.
Jerry Healen in an article in the Qodesh asked the question, why not render the Name into four vowels in the first place, as IAUE. Why make a 6 or 7 letter name out of a four letter name. Why can we not transliterate vowels into vowels? "The KEY to the whole problem of how the Heavenly Father's Name is to be pronounced was GIVEN to us by Josephus. Josephus clearly states in the 'Wars of the Jews' that THE SACRED NAME CONSISTS OF FOUR VOWELS."
Now, the TETRAGRAM, when used as all vowels, can be and should be pronounced without any additional letters, and without the vowel points that the Masorites used as a deception to prevent the correct pronunciation of HaShem.—All of the confusion as to what is the correct pronunciation of the Heavenly Father's Name, and the deception used to disguised His Name, stem from the use of consonants as the Tetragram instead of correctly using vowels as Josephus stated. When the Tetragram is represented as consonants, in order to pronounce His name, vowels have to be added, and then it is no longer a Tetragrammaton! Then we wind up with a 6 or 7 letter name out of a 4 letter name as Mr. Healen so ably brought out.
The Jews by utilizing consonants as representing the Tetragram and using their system of vowel pointing, used the vowels 'e' 'o' 'a' in order to disguise His name. Christian scholars in the 1500's believing these vowels were the correct ones combined them with the consonants JHVH and thus they came up with the false hybrid name Jehovah.
Bishop Pearce in his book, The Revelation for the Last Days points out that the English letters YHWH are not the Tetragrammaton, because they do not form a word or name, but that the Hebrew letters äåäé (Yod-Hey-Waw-Hey) are the True Tetragrammaton for it is pronounceable name, when used as ALL VOWELS.
I believe that most who use Yahueh, or Yahuweh, use it instead of IAUE because many who first come into contact with IAUE at first glance find it difficult to pronounce. We are not used to seeing a word made up of all vowels, and Yahueh seems easier to pronounce.
However, once it is shown that the 'IA' is equal to the 'YAH' sound, the 'U' to the 'OO' sound, and the 'E' to the 'EH' sound, pronounced as IA-U'-E, or YAH-OO'-EH, we feel it is logical to use the Tetragram as that is how it was given to Moses and ALL the Prophets in the Old Covenant. To add other consonants to clarify its pronunciation is not necessary. Since the Tetragrammaton is made up of 4 VOWELS, and is pronounceable as it is, why add additional letters to pronounce His Name, when the Tetragram itself gives the correct pronunciation!
I don't believe it is wrong to represent the Heavenly Father's Name in English as Yahueh, or Yahuweh. However, again echoing Mr. Healen, especially when quoting Scripture, are we not adding to His Word when we add additional letters to His Name since He gave His Name as consisting of only 4 letters? Does the Scriptures which forbid the addition to His Word (Rev 22:18 and Prov. 30:5,6 and others), apply here where we are adding to His Name, even if it is to help in the pronunciation?
The Shofar Magazine in the article, 'The Missing "U" brought out, "This means of course that the pronunciation some of us have used, "Yah-way", is incorrect. What surprises me is that more people have not noticed this before now, as one could say it has been literally staring us in the face!" In the booklet "The Missing J" published by the Assemblies of Yahweh in Messiah, they say, "When we pronounce the Tetragrammaton IAOUE we get the sound "ee-ah-ou-eh. Saying it rapidly we produce "Yah-way ". No-way! This ignores the facts that 'ou' or 'oo' is not the same sound as our English 'w' and that the 'e' is short - it is not 'e' as in they."
There developed among the Sacred Name organizations contention as to whether the Waw (å) was a 'W' or a 'V', resulting in various pronunciations such as Yahweh, Yahveh, Yahvah and others. But it matters little whether the 'waw' as a consonant is a 'w' or a 'v' if Josephus is correct, for if the name is made up of all vowels neither are correct! Besides, all these variations utilize forms that consist of only two syllables, which clashes with Hebrew grammar, according to which the Name as having three syllables, not two", according to the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, Vol. 1, p. 211. Also, it must be noted that the Massoretes showed the Name as having three syllables, not two. They were Hebrews, following the rules of their language, thus showing that the Name has 3 syllables!" Another point we should not forget is that Hebrew is a strongly accented language. And that the accent must fall on either the last or second last syllable which would emphasize the double 'o' or long 'u' sound of the 'waw' (å) in His Name
Now, the English letter 'w' comes from the sound of a double 'u' and is considered a semi-vowel (most of the time the 'w' acts as a consonant, especially at the beginning of a word. However it can act as a vowel as in the words, dew, ewe, view, where it carries the long 'u' or 'oo' sound, or sew where it carries the 'o' sound, exactly like the Hebrew 'Waw' from which it originated). According to the book, A Simple Approach To Old Testament Hebrew published by Eks Pub. Co. on p 9 states, "When a waw functions as a vowel, sounded as 'o' or 'oo', it does not have the sound of the consonant 'w' as in water." The Jewish Encyclopedia brings out that at the beginning of a word the 'waw' retains its consonantal value, however inside a word the 'waw' (å) has the value of the English 'double u' (oo) sound. Some examples of this are:
Ru ach' - äåø (Spirit, as in the Set Apart [Holy] Spirit - Ruach HaKodesh)
Hal le lu'Yah - äììåéä (Praise ye Yahoo) - (the waw {å}is only underlined to show it)
Je ru'sa lem -íìùåøé
Yeh u' dah or actually Yah u'dah (Judah) - äãåäé (I will praise IAUE - Gen 29:35)
Yeh o shu'a or actually Yah-u -shu'-a (Joshua) - òåùåäé (The Name means IAUE - Savior—which is shortened to IAU- Savior {Yod Hey Waw - åäé Savior or Hebrew - Shua}which is the correct Name of the Messiah -IA-U-SHU'-A or YAH-U-SHU'-A)
Note that the waw -å- is pronounced as a double 'u' or 'oo' in the Father's Name (äåäé -YAH-OO'-EH) just as in the above examples.
Now, when you substitute the consonant 'W' for the vowel 'U', you are shortening His name from a three syllable word (IA-U'-E{H} -- (the vowels I and A as EE-Ah are combined as a diphthong into one syllable to form the sound Yah; therefore coming up with Yah-oo'-eh) which has the accent on the Second syllable, to a word with two syllables with the accent on the first syllable (Yah'-weh, or Yah'-veh), which is contrary to the rules of Hebrew grammar given above, plus inserting a consonant into a word which Josephus states consists of only vowels.
Josephus was a Hebrew scholar, priest, general and historian who lived from 37 AD to 100 AD. and is considered the most reliable historian of the New Testament era. As Jacob O. Meyer in his article, 'YHWH or YHVH'*7 points out that in the past some scholars found fault with Josephus because of his statement that the Set Apart Name was made up of 4 vowels. However recent scholarship has proven Josephus to be accurate in many areas, and the statement that the Set Apart Name consisted of 4 vowels is one area where he was completely correct. Before the Masoretes ever invented the 'vowel points' the early Hebrew had 5 letters that were used as vowels, even though they also had a value as a consonant. These letters were known as matres lectionis (mothers of reading), and 3 of them are used in the Tetragrammaton proving Josephus to be correct. The 3 Hebrew letters are Yod Hey Waw (åäé), with the letter Hey (ä) being used twice to make up the forth letter of the Tetragrammaton.
Many of the Hebrew Prophets have names that have The Almighty's Name combined with a word or phrase that either tells their mission, or describes some attribute of IAUE. When His name is used to form the name of a Prophet, person, or place, His Name is always used in a contracted form, either as äé (Yod Hey—IA, or Yah) or åäé (Yod-Hey Waw—IAU or Yahoo).
Where His Name is in the primary position (in front of the name) it is almost always the Trigrammaton (åäé -IAU or Yahoo), although the Masorites through their vowel pointing changed it to be pronounced as Yeho. In fact, even when IAUE'S Name appears at the end of a name, approximately 70% of the time it appears as åäé (IAU) instead of the YAH that we have been taught. This fact is hidden from all Bible readers except those that can read the Old Testament Hebrew!.
Murashu texts from the 5th century BCE revealed Yahwistic Names started with YAHU (IAU) instead of the Massoretic vowel pointing of YEHO which the Massoretes used to begin Yahwistic Names. This has great significance, as the Murashu Texts being much much older than the Massoretic Texts (Massoretic text was written around the 7th century CE, so the Murashu Texts are more than 1,200 years older) are more valid, both historically and linguistically. Since the Murashu Texts were written before the Talmud was written, the scribes who wrote them were not under the compulsion to hide, or disguise the Heavenly Father's Name, like the Massoretes, who were instructed by penalty of death to do so by the Talmud. This shows that the Masoretic vowel pointing 'E O A' under Ha-Shem (the Set Apart Name) was done for the purpose of disguising Ha-Shem and not just for the purpose of substituting the name Adonai. The Old Testament Scriptures give ample proof of the common, although reverential use of the Name in Israel before the time of captivity and in the immediate post-exilic period.
As we brought out before, when Ha-Shem is used to form other Yahwistic Names the full form of The Name is never used, instead one of the two shorter forms is used in its place. Of the two shorter forms of Ha-Shem (äé--IA , and åäé --IAU), IAU is the older original Hebrew form of the Name. It alone appears in the Lashish letters, and in the Murashu documents it is used almost exclusively at the beginning of a name which contains Ha-Shem. The later or modern form IA or YAH, is post exile, and comes from the Aramaic influence, not from the original Hebrew. Aramaic increased in influence particularly after the Exile, and towards the start of the New Testament era it supplanted Hebrew as the spoken language of the Jews.
All these different facts all support the fact that the little known shortened form of Ha-Shem, the Trigrammaton - åäé (IAU), is the Secret, the Key, 'The Missing Linguistic Link' to the full form of the Name of the Heavenly Father, IAUE and the link between the Name of the Father and His Son, our Messiah, IAUSHUA.
Once we know the Heavenly Father's Name it is easy to come up with His Son's Name. It is only logical that the Son would inherit His Father's Name, and all the Scriptures relating to the Name of the Messiah attest to this fact, namely that the Son of IAUE in fact carries His Father's Name in His own Name. The Messiah Himself said that He came in His Father's Name, and that He was given His Father's Name (John 5:43; 17:11,12 NIV, NAS).
In Philippians 2:9,10 the Apostle Sha'ul tells us that IAUE highly exalted Him and gave Him the Name which is above every Name, and that in honor of the Name given IAUSHUA, every knee will bow. Psms 148:13 tells us that only the Name IAUE is exalted, Isa 45: 21-23 tells us that it is the Name IAUE that every knee will bow. Peter tells us that IAUSHUA is the stone that is the chief corner stone to those that believe, but a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense to those who stumble or are disobedient to the Word (1st Pet 2: 4-8, and Acts 4:11). Isaiah tells us that IAUE Himself is that Stone of stumbling and Rock of offense (Is 8:13,14).
In Acts 4:11,12 (JNT) Kefa tells us, "This IAUSHUA is the Stone rejected by you builders which has become the cornerstone. There is Salvation in no one else! For there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by whom we must be saved! Yet, in Is 43:3,11; 49:26; 60:16; and Hosea 13:4, IAUE Himself declares that He is the Savior, Redeemer, and Set Apart One of Israel, and there is NO OTHER SAVIOR! So, since Scripture can not be broken, and IAUE does not lie (Jo. 10:35; and Num 23:19), the SAVIORS NAME must harmonize Joel 2:32, Isa 43:3,11; 49:26;, 60:16; with Acts 4:10-12 and Rom 10:9-13. Therefore the Savior's Name has to have His Father's Name in it to harmonize these scriptures.
So by taking the older, Hebrew version of the shortened form of the Heavenly Father's Name åäé( I-A-U), and combining it with His Son's mission as stated by the angel of IAUE to Joseph, that He (IAUE'S Son) shall save His (IAUE'S) people from their sins, you come up with the Savior's Name - IA-U-SHU'-A – òåùåäé, pronounced Yah-oo-shu'-ah.. When said fast, the Waw in the Trigramaton tends to sound as a long 'o' instead of a long 'u' sound, making it sound as Yah-o-shu'-a.
Psms 118:14 we read; "Yah is my strength and song, and He has become my Salvation (Strongs 3444 - Yeshuwah-- äòåùé). There it is : the Yeshuwah of Yah! When we combine it in the Hebrew manner we have the Name that is above every Name: YAHUSHUA – òåùåäé. All of Psm 118 is prophetic regarding Messiah, but verse 14 is a literal repetition of Ex. 14:2, a part of Moses song. Isa 12:2 is likewise, except it utilizes both the short form and the full form along with it: "IA, IAUE (äåäé äé) is my strength and my song; He has become my Yeshuwah". According to Scripture, 2 or 3 witnesses are required to establish sure proof., and here we have 3 such witnesses. The abbreviated form of the Father's name, "Yah or IAU" has the meaning of life, eternal life. The later part of the Messiah's Name, 'SHUA', bears the meaning of SALVATION (Hebrew "Y'SHUA", or more fully, "YeSHUWAH")
Stan Fears brings out in Isa 49:6, IAUE states, "I will also give You for a light to the Gentiles, that You may be MY SALVATION unto the end of the earth." In this passage we find the meaning of His Name and His purpose for coming to this earth.. He came to be a light to the world by upholding and living His Father's Word as an example to us. He offers all men salvation through Himself from the Father with emphasis that "YAHWEH (IAUE) IS SALVATION." He is Yahweh's (IAUE'S) salvation in the sense that He is the Father's agent/spokesman/Word and represents Yahweh in offering salvation to mankind, including the Gentiles!
Mr. Fears brought out that Isaiah chapter 49 is recognized as a prophecy of the Messiah, and that verse 1 states that from the womb IAUE made mention of His Name. This is a direct reference to Matt 1:21 where the Angel of IAUE directed Joseph what to name the Savior while He was still in Miriam's womb. Earlier he brought out that both the problem of not understanding the Savior's Name, as well as the key to understanding it are found in this same Scripture (Matt 1:21), where the angel gave Joseph specific instructions from IAUE on what to name His Son.
Most versions of the Scriptures for Matt 1:21 basically state, "She will bear a son , and you shall call Him Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins. "Misunderstanding an important message in this passage has caused much of the confusion as to the correct Hebrew name of the Messiah, that was originally delivered to Joseph."
"This misunderstanding has caused many, including most Messianic Jews, to accept 'Yeshua' as the true and correct Hebrew name for the Savior. Why? Because they believe, from what the angel gave as the reason for His Name that His Name means "He will Save." The name 'Yeshua' in Strong's Hebrew Dictionary is #3442, and means 'he will save."
Most Scholarly sources all confirm that the Savior's Name, as it was originally given in Matt 1:21, means 'IAUE saves' 'IAUE will save', 'IAUE is Salvation', not 'He saves'. The 'He', who is to save his people from their sins is IAUE the Son, who was sent here to accomplish this by IAUE the Father. The Father named Him 'IAUE is Salvation' or 'Salvation of Yah' when He came in the flesh to offer IAUE'S Salvation to mankind. IAUE gave His Son this name so that people of every nation would come to realize that it was IAUE, the Elohim of the Hebrews that sent His only begotten Son, so that we might have salvation and receive everlasting life.. The Son was given that Name so that everyone on earth would know that it is IAUE, the Mighty One of Israel, that 'Saves' those who choose to be His people!
The Name Yahushua has a vital Scriptural meaning: He is the "Salvation of Yah!" The Name Jesus however, does not mean "the Salvation of Yah" at all. What is more, the name Jesus does not etymologically relate to, or resemble the Scripturally prophesied and revealed "YeSHUWAH" of Yah at all. So, how do we come up with the Name Jesus? Well we know that the name Jesus comes from the Greek name Iesous. Iesous is supposed to be the Greek transliteration of the Jewish name Yeshua. Since the Greek alphabet has no 'sh' sound in it, it was carried over into Greek as Iesous (EE AY SOUS). Now, the name Yeshua means, "He will save" (from Strongs 3442, 3443- òåùé-yay-shoo'ah, where we learn it is of Chaldean origin, or Aramaic, which was the language of the Chaldeans, or Babylonians).
We saw earlier that the short form of the Heavenly Father's Name, Yah (äé) was due to the Aramaic influence, and that the intermediate form or Trigrammaton (IAU or YAHU - åäé) was the older, Hebrew shortened form of the Heavenly Father's Name IAUE (äåäé). So due to the Aramaic influence, the Savior's Name was shortened up from òåùåäé (YAHUSHUA or IAUSHUA) to òåùäé (YAHSHUA), and later, to prevent the pronunciation of the Father's Name to òåùé (YESHUA).
"Yeshua is not identical at all to the Name Yahshua (Yahushua) because it rejects the Name of the Heavenly Father Yahweh (IAUE) whose poetic abbreviation (åäé) serves as the first part. ... The term Yeshua, is a verb whose root is found in yasha (òùé)... Consequently, the term Yeshua is then merely a Hebrew verb WITHOUT REFERENCE to the Name of Yahweh (or Yah ) [IAUE or IAU] which was designed to give us eternal life and everlasting existence!...""...The Kittel Theological Dictionary of the New Testament under the term "J-s-s" contains the following: 1) the Greek form of a list of Old Testament characters who in pre-exilic Hebrew are called {IAUSHUA} [òåùåäé] and usually after the exile {Yeshua}[òåùé]....".
"The full form (Yahshua) [actually Iaushua, it is Yod-Hey-Waw-shua - òåùåäé] in Hebrew is a sentence name, in which the subject comes first and represents a form (the Trigramaton åäé - IAU) of the Name äåäé , and in which the verb is a subsidiary form of the verb òùé [yasha] ... which means 'to help' (or to save, salvation). ... The shortened form [Yeshua] no longer expresses the Theophoric element clearly, directing attention simply to the verb [Yasha] ... The form Yeshua came into existence when the Jews originated their doctrinal decision to substitute for the Name Yahweh [IAUE].... the historical setting of this rejection was about the time that Alexander the Great ... that the Name Yahweh [IAUE] was deliberately hidden from the people so that profane or common people would no longer be able to pronounce it!"
Dr. Zeitlin in his article, "Judaism and Professors of Religion" tells us that äåùé (Yeshua) is not Hebrew. In Hebrew, the name is written òùåäé (or òåùåäé both forms pronounced as Yahoshua or Yahushua -- åäé or Yod-Hey-Waw equates to either I-A-U or I-A-O)
Dr. Koster brings out, "Two factors contributed greatly to the substitution and distortion of our Savior's Name. The first was the unscriptural superstitious teaching of the Jews that the Father's Name is not to be uttered, that it is ineffable, that others will profane it when they use it, and that the Name must be 'disguised' outside the temple. Because of the Father's Name being in His Son's Name, this same disastrous suppression of the Name resulted in them (? the Greeks) giving a Hellenised, in fact a surrogate name for our Savior... The second factor was the strong anti-Judaism that prevailed amongst the Gentiles... The Gentiles wanted a Savior, but not a Jewish one. They loathed/hated the Jews, they even loathed the Elohim of the Old Testament. The Messianic faith, and its Savior, had to become Hellenised to be acceptable to the Gentiles.".
This Hellenisation of our Savior's Name was done so cleverly, and thoroughly that through out the whole world He is known by both Christian and Non-Christian alike by the surrogate name of Jesus; not by His True original Name given to Him by His Father, the only Name given among men whereby we must be saved, according to Acts 4:12. Not one of the Surrogate names (the Jewish Yeshua, Greek Iesous, Latin Iesus or the English Jesus) which have been used to replace His True Name given to Him by His Father, have the Father's Name in them. This fulfills the prophecy part of John 5:43, where the Messiah said if another comes in his own name (not the Messiah's True Name which has His Father's Name incorporated within His Name), him you will accept, and the whole world has accepted this Hellenised Greek savior!
In order to prove all things we need to search out all the Scriptures relating to the subject that we are studying. If one will but do an honest evaluation of all the Scriptures relating to His Name, you will see He places the utmost importance to the Name He gave to mankind to worship, and praise Him by. The etymology of His Name shows it to be a most gracious promise 'to become' whatever is wisest and best for the people who love him and keep his commandments.
Many Messianic believers feel they are keeping the whole Torah, but in fact refuse to proclaim or articulate His Name either because they feel that His Name is 'too holy' to pronounce according to the Jewish Tradition, or out of deference to the Jewish people who refuse to pronounce it. Either way they are transgressing IAUE'S Torah and are failing to carry the complete Good News (Gospel) of the Almighty, which has to include proclaiming the Heavenly Father's Name as well as His Son's Name. The Scriptures commands us to use, to call upon and to proclaim to the nations, the Name of the Almighty. Throughout the Scriptures we are told to Proclaim HIS NAME and to esteem and magnify HIS NAME and to remember that HIS NAME IS EXALTED! (1 Chr 16:8-36; Psms 96:1-4; 105:1-3; 117 All; 138:2; 148:13; Isa 12 All; Rom 15:9-11). The apostle Sha'ul, after stating that 'for everyone who calls on the Name of äåäé shall be saved', goes on and asks the questions: But how can they call on Him if they haven't believed in Him? And how can they believe in Him if they haven't heard about Him? And how can they hear about Him if no one is proclaiming Him (Rom 10:13,14). How can we call upon His Name, proclaim His Name, or magnify His Name if we if we do not know His Name or refuse to let others know His Name?
The Messiah said in Yn 4:22 that True Worshippers shall worship in Spirit and in Truth. There is enough evidence to prove that the name that Christianity uses for our Savior is not His True Name, or His 'correct Hebrew' Name, and that the surrogates that are used in place of His 'Correct' Name are linked to names derived from Pagan deities. We are told by His 'Word' in the Old Testament not to even mention the names of pagan 'Gods', and that all the Gods of the nations are idols . 1 Cor 10:14-22 essentially tells that we cannot mix IAUE'S worship with the worship of other Gods (Idolatry). So how can you have a 'personal relationship' if you know that the surrogate name used to replace His Name comes from names that He or His Son tells us we are not even supposed to mention. How can you have a 'personal relationship' or friendship with anyone and call them a derogatory name that was given them by their enemy, especially if they requested you not to do so.
Does this mean that we can not use the commonly used names that are derived from pagan deities when we are trying to explain the reason the Almighty doesn't want us to use them, especially as a substitute for His name? No, of course not. Mr. Bradshaw*17 brings out that there are many examples in the Scriptures where Moses and other prophets had to mention Pagan names in order to communicate with the people. So, while we should make every effort to avoid mentioning names linked to idolatry, there will be times when it is necessary to use such names for communication and / or instructive purposes, as long as the idol is not praised in any way to show acceptance or favoritism. We don't have to necessarily be fanatical about trying to avoid certain words in English because they may or nay not link back to paganism of the past, however, we certainly would not want to use such words in our worship of IAUE.
The Jews became known as 'People of the Book', because they at least attempted to Keep the Law of IAUE, even if their myriad of added laws made the law a yoke of bondage, making it impossible to keep. We also know that the Pharisees and the Scribes did hold the Almighty in awe (fear) and in their fear (worship, reverence) of the Almighty they both taught and tried to keep the Law. Yet IAUSHUA condemned them for transgressing the Laws of IAUE by their tradition, thereby making the Laws of IAUE to be none effect, and reproached them for preventing others from coming to God (IAUE) by keeping their learning secret, and not even using it themselves.*18 We know it was the 'oral law, or traditions of the elders' when it conflicted with the written Law of IAUE, that IAUSHUA objected to in Mk 7, and it was this 'oral law, or tradition' that stated , "This is My Name, to be hidden" {which was supposedly given by the Almighty, which later became the written command of the Talmud}.*19 Can this be the learning of the Scribes and Pharisees that they kept secret from the common people, the 'Key' to Knowledge that IAUSHUA referred to in Luke 11:52? All evidence from the Scriptures and the Talmud point in that direction!!
Can the knowledge of the Almighty's Name be so important, as to be the 'Key' to His Knowledge? We know that it was purposely hidden, kept secret, and disguised in order to keep it from being profaned or defiled or to be used as a magic incantation. We also know the result of this has been that His Name has been almost completely forgotten by His people, and His Name has been substituted, and replaced by names and titles associated with other deities. This breaks the 3rd Commandment, and those Laws relating to adding and taking away from His Word. It also goes further against the will of IAUE, in that His people are supposed to Praise His Name, and Make His Name and His Word Known throughout the world. You cannot make a name known through out the world if you can not even pronounce or spell it.
One of the definitions of the word Key was vital importance. Also the word vital means essential for Life, to give life, or life giving. The Name IAUE is the expanded form of IA, or IAU, and is derived from the Hebrew verb of existence äéä (Hayah - Strongs #1961) which means the Everliving one - (He Who always was, Who is now, and Who always will be). For a person to be saved and have eternal life, he has to call upon the only Name that can save someone from eternal death, and that is IAUE - Romans 10:13; Acts 2:21; Joel 2:32; or IAUE-SAVIOR (IAUSHUA) Acts 4:12.
In Ex 3: 15 we find the Name HE wants to be remembered by is IAUE (äåäé)), and that it means; HE will become, what ever is necessary to become for the needs and salvation of his people: also meaning life, even everlasting life. Knowing His Name and the meaning of His Name, that the Name is a direct manifestation of his character inspires the awe, reverence, worship, or fear of IAUE, that is the beginning (the Key) of knowledge, or wisdom!
So the tradition which breaks IAUE'S Laws and has to do with the Key to His Knowledge has to be the tradition started by the Scribes and Priests prohibiting the use of the Almighty's Name; also substituting other names for His, and disguising it, so the common people and other nations would not know His Name. This tradition of substituting another Name in place of the Heavenly Father's Name has resulted in His Name to be forgotten and brought to nothing and the Son's Name not to have His Father's Name in His Name. This not only breaks the Third Commandment, but also the laws prohibiting the pronouncing of Pagan Deities, and the Laws of adding and deleting from His Word.
The Key of IAUISTIC Knowledge is the Name of IAUE - the Key of Salvation {Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21}; the Key to IAUISTIC LIFE! On their own admission, the scribes removed the Name IAUE 134 times. They were not interested in the proclamation of the Name IAUE, but rather, in general, in removal of the name from public knowledge, and hindered those interested in the kingdom of IAUE, who would have profited by THIS KEY OF KNOWLEDGE."
The consequence of this tradition that takes away the Key of Knowledge is this. -- Today, 90% of the world have never heard or understood the Name of the Heavenly Father or our Savior. This is a direct result of the tradition of substituting another Deities name or title for the Name of IAUE!
Now there are many spirit filled Christians who are sincere in their worship of the Almighty even though they are using names for Him which originated in pagan religions. Those believers who recognize the importance of using the correct Hebrew names for the Father and the Son need to be tolerant of others who do not recognize the importance the Almighty places on His Name.. And as Daniel Botkin brings out, "If we are going to teach and correct others, we must do it with patience and love. And we need to pray, as King Hezekiah did, "May the good Lord (IAUE) pardon every one who seeks Elohim, IAUE Elohim of our fathers (2nd Chr 30:18,19). And the times of this ignorance Elohim winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent (Acts 17:30).
Now however bad and undesirable a fraudulent name may be, it is the one means of identification of the person under consideration for those who have not learned the legitimate name. To those who do not know the truth, the alias name represents the person. The alias brings to their mind, the character and personality of the person or personage, which is a key point. Thus although someone may know the Almighty only by a fraudulent name, they might have a closer relationship than those who know His True Name.
However does this mean that people should continue to use fraudulent or fictitious names once they come to the know the True Names? Absolutely not! We know that IAUE overlooks things in times of ignorance (Acts 17:30 KJV), however we are told to seek His Truth and walk in it. Those that reject His Truth are in danger. For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins (Heb:10:26). IAUE tells us in Hosea 4:6 that His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, and because they rejected knowledge, He would reject them
One last very important point I would like to bring out is this: Many Spirit filled believers in Messianic Judaism, and Sabbath keeping Christians believe that it is important to keep all the Torah as was given in both the Old and New Covenants (Testament), and of course Judaism also believes in keeping all the Torah as was given in the Tanak. However, even though they feel in their hearts they are following 'all the Commandments' they have...

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Among the ranks of Messianic believers there has long been a controversy as to the correct
pronunciation of the name of our Savior. Predominately, among Jewish Messianics there is the
belief that the Messiah’s name is to be pronounced as Yeshua; while among other Messianic
believers there is the belief that the Savior should be called Yahshua. Obviously they can’t both
be right.
Our Savior said in John 17:17, “Sanctify them in the Truth, your Word is Truth.” It therefore
stands to reason that the truth of this matter can be learned by examining the Word of Yahweh.
The Meaning of the Savior’s Name
By examining the scriptures we learn that the Israelite leader Joshua had the same name as our
Savior. In Hebrews 4:8 it says in the KJV, “For if J-sus had given them rest, then would he not
afterward have spoken of another day.” The context of this passage shows that this is not
referring to our Savior, but rather to the Israelite general who took Israel into the Promised Land.
This evidence supports the fact that the Messiah and the Joshua had the same name.
All Hebrew names have meaning, and the name of our Savior is no exception. If we look in
Matthew 1:21 we learn the meaning of the Messiah’s name. Again, we will quote this from the
KJV. “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name J-SUS: for he shall save his
people from their sins.” The name of the Messiah means “savior” and its meaning is derived from
the Hebrew word for salvation.
Looking now to Hebrew lexicons, we can learn the precise meaning of the Savior’s name. The
Brown, Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon gives the following definition for the Joshua: “…Jehovah
(Yahweh) is salvation" as a proper noun, masculine:
1) a son of Nun of the tribe of Ephraim and successor to Moses as the leader of the children of
Israel; led the conquest of Canaan
2) a resident of Beth-shemesh on whose land the Ark of the Covenant came to a stop after the
Philistines returned it
3) a son of Jehozadak and high priest after the restoration
4) the governor of Jerusalem under king Josiah who gave his name to a gate of the city of
Jerusalem.”
Notice the underlined section of the quote. The Savior’s name means Jehovah, or (more
correctly) Yahweh, is salvation.
For a second witness on the meaning of this name we will next go to the Hebrew Lexicon of
Strong’s Concordance. The definition given here states the following: #3091,… from
#3068 and #3467; Jehovah-saved; Yahushua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader: -Yahushua,
Yahushuah, Joshua. Compare #1954, #3442.”
This definition verifies our previous definition, plus it reveals the root words of this name. The first
root given in Strong’s Hebrew Lexicon is #3068. This is the Name of the Heavenly Father.
“#3068, [Yahweh] Yehovah (yeh-ho-vaw'); from #1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal;
Jehovah, Jewish national name of G-d: KJV - Jehovah, the L-rd. Compare #3050, #3069.”
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The second root of the Savior’s name is Strong’s #3467. This is the Hebrew word for salvation,
“#3467,  yasha` (yaw-shah'); a primitive root; properly, to be open, wide or free, i.e. (by
implication) to be safe; causatively, to free or succor: KJV -at all, avenging, defend, deliver (-er),
help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save (-iour), get victory.”
From the Scriptures and from these lexicon definitions we learn that the Savior’s name should be
translated as, Yahweh is salvation or the salvation of Yahweh.
Yahweh or Adonai?
The name of the Heavenly Father is comprised of four Hebrew letters. For that reason it is
referred to as the “Tetragrammaton.” It should be pointed out, that when James Strong
produced his concordance, the mainstream view among scholars was that the name of the
Heavenly Father was Jehovah. Strong, and most scholars of that time, were for the most part,
still following the error of the original English translators who had mistakenly incorporated the
vowel points occurring in the Hebrew text into the transliteration. These vowel points had been
added by the Masoretes to maintain their belief that the Sacred Name should not be spoken. The
vowel points that were placed there were for the title Adonai (my L-rd). Traditionally, the Jews
read Adonai or Ha Shem (the Name) instead of pronouncing the Name of the Heavenly Father.
They believe that “Yahweh” (the Ineffable Name) should not be pronounced because it is too
holy. When the reader of the Hebrew Massoretic Text would see the Tetragrammaton, they
would be reminded by the vowel points to read Adonai and not Yahweh.
This belief is in direct conflict with what our Savior taught on the subject. He openly proclaimed
the Name of the Heavenly Father to His disciples. Consider the following quotes from the
Savior’s prayer in John chapter 17:
John 17:6> “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they
were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.” NASU
John 17:11-12> “I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I
come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that
they may be one even as We are. While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name
which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of
perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.” NASU
John 17:26> “And I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the
love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them." NASU
Four times in this prayer our Savior emphasized that He had declared the Name of the Father to
His disciples. Obviously, the Messiah did not follow the Jewish tradition concerning the Sacred
Name. Scholarship has proven that the name of the Heavenly Father is not Jehovah but that it is
Yahweh. (For more information on this important subject, request a copy of the article “What is
His Name?”)
The Correct Pronunciation
When looking at the various pronunciations offered in the Lexicons, bear in mind that they are
based upon the vowel points that were added by the Masoretes several hundred years after the
Messiah’s death. The Hebrew texts were originally written without vowel points. The vowel
points were added by the Masoretes to help preserve the Hebrew pronunciations.
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In Marks and Rogers “Handbook to Biblical Hebrew”, page 7, we have the following quote:
“Originally Hebrew had no written vowels; the following consonants, however, were often used to
indicate long vowels: , , , . When the Masoretes introduced their vowel signs, they added
their signs to these consonants.” Notice that all of the letters which comprise Yahweh’s name
are listed here.
As was pointed out previously, the Masoretes took certain liberties with the Sacred Name
because of their belief that it was too holy to pronounce. For those who are fluent in Hebrew, the
vowel points are not necessary for reading or understanding the text. It should be noted that the
same “liberties” that were taken with Yahweh’s name were also applied to the Savior’s name in
Hebrew. Because of these corrupted traditions, it is necessary to disregard the vowel points
when translating these names. Let’s take a look at these names as they appear in the Hebrew
text.
We will first consider the name Yahweh. In the Hebrew it is written . Hebrew is written from
right to left. The English transliteration is YHWH. These are four vowel letters. It is not
necessary to have vowel points to pronounce this name. The first letter—  yoth, is pronounced
as a long Y sound, like the Y in heavy (an ee sound). The second letter—  hay, is pronounced
as a short A sound, like the A in father (an ah sound). The third letter—  waw, is pronounced as
a long U sound, like the OO in food (oo sound). The forth letter—  hay, is pronounced as a short
E sound, like the E in met (an eh sound). When we put these sounds together we get the correct
pronunciation of the Heavenly Father’s Name, ee-ah-oo-eh, or as written in English, Yahweh.
The following quote from the Theological Workbook of the Old Testament is offered as scholarly
proof of what has been previously stated: “Yahweh. The Tetragrammaton YHWH, the L-RD, or
Yahweh, the personal name of G-d and his most frequent designation in Scripture, occurring
5321 times in the OT (KJV and ASV, the L-rd, or, in those contexts where the actual title "L-rd"
also occurs, G-D, except KJV, Jehovah, in seven passages where the name is particularly
stressed (Ex 6:3; Ps 83:18 ; Isa 12:2; 26:4) or combined with other elements, such as Jehovah
Jireh (Gen 22:14; Ex 17:15; Judg 6:24; ASV, consistently Jehovah)…
The tetragrammaton YHWH is not ordinarily written with its appropriate Hebrew vowels. But that
the original pronunciation was YaHWeH seems probable, both from the corresponding verbal
form, the imperfect of its root…”
Putting the Parts Together
According to the previous definitions, the Savior’s name is the combination of two words. In the
Strong’s Lexicon they are #3068—Yahweh and # 3467—salvation. When we look at the Savior’s
name in Hebrew it is written as . Again, Hebrew is written from right to left. Take notice of
the first three letters of this name—. This is the contracted or abbreviated form of Yahweh’s
name, pronounced as Yah.
Again we will quote from the Theological Workbook of the Old Testament in regard to Yah: “YAH.
A contracted form of Yahweh. Occurs fifty times (rendered in English as above, except KJV, Jah,
in Ps 68:4, where the name is particularly stressed).
Also numerous proper nouns compounded with shortened forms of the divine name "Yahweh,"
e.g.: Jehonathan, "Yahweh has given"; "Jonathan," a substitute name for the same person
(compare Gen 1:1 with 1 Sam 14:6,8; 2 Sam 17:17,20 with Gen 1:1-2); Jehoshaphat, "Yahweh
has judged"; alternatively, "Joshaphat," applied only to two subordinates of David (1 Chron 11:43;
15:24).”
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Furthermore, we can site the Gesenius Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon on Yah . This authoritative
work shows the two forms of Yah as being and  It gives several examples in Hebrew
showing how these two forms combine with other words to form proper nouns. Both of these
forms are transliterated as Yah.
The Savior’s name is one of the many proper nouns in the scriptures that is compounded with the
shortened form of Yahweh’s name, Yah. In this particular case it combines with the form of
yahsa (salvation). From this evidence we can conclude that the Savior’s name must be
pronounced as Yahshua and not Yeshua.
These facts take on even greater meaning if we consider the prophetic passage which deals with
the Philadelphia Congregation of Revelation chapter three. This is obviously an end-time
congregation since in verse ten they are offered protection during the tribulation. “Because you
have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour
which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” (Revelation
3:10, NASU)
These end-time true worshipers were complimented for not having denied the Savior’s name.
Yahshua then tells them that He will cause those of the synagogue of Satan to bow before them.
“I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because
you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 'Behold, I will
cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie — I will
make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.”
(Revelation 3:8-9, NASU)
Judaism has for centuries sought to cover up the true pronunciation of Yahweh’s name. That
same false notion has been perpetuated today by those who insist on using the corrupted form
Yeshua rather than using the correct and proper form, Yahshua. Yahshua is truth while Yeshua
is error. Our Savior said that His disciples are sanctified by the Truth, John 17:17.
As sincere seekers of truth, let us follow the example of the Philadelphia Congregation and not
deny the name of our Savior. Let us choose wisely and use the name that means Yahweh is
salvation. HalleluYah!
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The Sacred Names have been inserted.
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Here are a few more resources you may find interesting as well.

http://www.scatteredsheep.com:80/holy_names.htm

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by Phil Maxwell
You won't go too far at this site without realizing that we use uncommon forms of both God and the Messiah's names: YHWH or Yahweh and Yahshua, respectively. Unfortunately, because of this, people tend to hastily associate us with beliefs, practices, and/or groups with which we absolutely have neither affinity nor affiliation. Strangely, we get the same from many of those because we have no superstitious reservations about using terms like 'Jesus', 'Christ', 'Lord', 'the Father', 'God', etc. Thus, please allow me to qualify OUR intents and purposes in this matter:
1. We respect everyone we know enough to strive to speak and spell their names accurately and see no reason to deny the same to the two most important figures in our life: Our Father and God, Yahweh, and our Lord and Savior, Yahshua. RESPECT is the main issue, not the spelling and pronunciation. We grant the same regard we give on this matter, that is, that how we address or refer to someone is only an issue between the two parties and, therefore, no one else's concern.
2. Although most 'sacred name' groups practice the 'if some is good, more is better' mentality, we see no reason to 'Hebrew-ize' every English rendition of Biblical names. Rather, we prefer to simply communicate with the fewest possible encumbrances on those who we only currently speak OF and not TO.
3. Also, unlike most 'sacred name' groups, we are not amongst those who render grace ineffective by striving for righteousness under the law.
You say KRI-ZOO-SKEE, I say SHA-SHEF-SKEE
Transcription vs. Transliteration
(Excerpt from CCBTC vs Yahshua Debate)
...I'd like to comment on the underlying issue alluded to here: transliteration vs. transcription. Because transliteration is directed at spelling, it is a poor tool for conveying correct pronunciation of proper names from one language to another.
A good example is the well known Duke University basketball coach, Mike Krzyzewski, which is properly pronounced 'sha-shef-skee', not 'kri-zoo-skee' as one would pronounce it using English phonetics. No English speaking person would pronounce his name correctly based on the spelling, nor would they spell it correctly based on the pronunciation.
As long as we have reliable information on both spelling and pronunciation, the proper thing to do would be to spell it 'Kryzewski' and pronounce it 'Shashefski', but what if we didn't have complete and reliable information? We would be forced to judge how we spell and pronounce his name based on the best information we had available.
Similarly, we really don't have reliable or complete information on either the spelling or the pronunciation of the Messiah's name in Hebrew or Aramaic. This forces us to judge both how we spell His name in English and pronounce it with our English trained tongues based on the information available.
Since modern English didn't even exist 2,000 years ago, the fact is that there is no "correct" English spelling until and unless a divine mandate is given to that effect. For example, only Mike Kryzewski or his ancestors have authority to determine the "correct" English spelling of their name. Likewise, the only "correct" spelling of the Messiah's name would be how HE spelled it in whatever language He may have rendered it in His day. Anything else can be no more than conjecture. Transliterating previously rendered transliterations may be a viable approach, but not the only one.
Another approach would be to attempt to discern the correct original pronunciation and transcribe an English spelling from that, which is my personal preference. If my name were the issue, that's how I'd want it done. For instance, if people of a foreign language would pronounce a transliterated 'P-h-i-l' as 'P-woo', but would pronounce 'F-e-l' as 'Phil', I'd choose the latter.
That is why I weigh SOUND over SPELLING when it comes to the Messiah's name, and why I believe transcription a better approach than transliteration. Of course, since we have no recordings of the true pronunciation of the Messiah's name, even the very best efforts are still subject to uncertainty, regardless of what approach one takes. This inherent uncertainty is one of many reasons why the issue is not worthy of the dogmatism often attributed to it.
In the end, we will all be judged on such things based on the judgment we render ourselves. I give what I'd like to receive from others with regard to names -- a reasonable effort to get them right. I don't get upset over innocent mispronunciations or misspellings of my name, but could take exception to someone intentionally or even negligently doing so. Because my Lord lives and I know better, this is why I won't call him 'Jesus' simply to appease others. Neither do I worry about my rendering of His name being less than perfect, though, for He knows I seek to honor Him in this and other tangible ways. (Click HERE for Full Debate)

Other Resources
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Yehoshua, Yeshua or Yeshu; Which one is the name of Jesus in Hebrew? -- By Dr. James D. Price studies the etymology behind the common Hebrew name given the Lord (who I call) Yahshua without offering much by way of direct evidence on HIS name. Emphasis given to how the matter bear upon the alleged numeric Bible Code...(yawn)






MattithYah’s site is also good. It’s: www.JoyInTheWorld.info and www.RealMessiah.Name

There you will find this PDF: http://realmessiah.name/pdf/name.pdf It is well researched.





This site has the consonants right and the logic, but the wrong vocalization of the a vs. e.

Yehoshua, Yeshua or Yeshu;
Which one is the name of Jesus in Hebrew?
By Dr. James D. Price
Forward by Guy Cramer
The Jewish community has claimed the name of Jesus in Hebrew is Yeshu the traditional Jewish spelling of Jesus. Why do others spell Jesus as Yeshua with four letters and sometimes spell it as Yehoshua with five letters ?
Before we look at the answer lets look at the origin of the name. The sixth book of the Old Testament is called Joshua.
The title of the book is appropriately named after its central figure, Joshua. His original name is Hoshea, "Salvation" (Num.13:8); but Moses evidently changes it to Yehoshua, "Yahweh (Jehovah) is Salvation" (Num.13:16). He is also called Yeshua, a shortened form of Yehoshua. This is the Hebrew equivalent of the Greek name Iesous (Jesus). (NKJV, Thomas Nelson Inc.,1980, p.190)
Why is it important to find out which spelling to use? Advanced mathematical research into the equidistant letter sequences (ELS) discovered in the Hebrew Bible (see The Mysterious Hebrew Codes) needs the proper spelling of words and names. The wrong spelling of a name can invalidate all (ELS) research on that name. There is a great deal that depends on this simple question.
(Guy Cramer)
The Names Yeshua and Yehoshua
by Dr. James Price, professor of Hebrew
Yehoshua in the Septuagint
Two things indicate that Yehoshua is the proper Hebrew name for Jesus:
(1) In the Greek Translation of the OT known as the Septuagint (LXX), the name Joshua is rendered *Iasous* = Jesus.
(2) In the NT, Joshua is mentioned twice (Acts 7:45; Heb 4:8), and in both places the Greek NT spells the name *Iasous* = Jesus.
Thus the Greek *Iasous* is the equivalent of Hebrew *Yehoshua*
Yehoshua in the Hebrew Bible
As far as the Hebrew Bible is concerned, it is important to note that in the early books, the name Joshua is spelled as ( yod-hey-waw-shin-ayin) or on rare occasions as ( yod-hey-waw-shin-waw-ayin). However, in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah, the high priest is named Jeshua the son of Jozadak ( yod-shin-waw-ayin); whereas in the contemporary books of Haggai and Zechariah, the same high priest is named Joshua the son of Jehozadak ( yod-hey-waw-shin-ayin beth-nun). Thus, it can be concluded that in post-exilic times of the Biblical era, the namesYeshua and Yehoshua were regarded as equivalent.
Yehoshua in the Talmud
(From A.D. 200 to 500 ancient rabbis compiled their commentaries on the Bible, Jewish social customs and historical events in the Talmud. Because it was compiled by rabbis who were leaders in rabbinical academies, the Talmud is considered to be very authoritative by Jews, even to this day. [Missler, Chuck, "The Creator Beyond Time and Space", 1996 The Word For Today, p.165] )
As far as the Talmud is concerned, it is evident that the old uncensored editions of the Talmud associated Jesus of Nazareth with the name Joshua. This is demonstrated by the following passage:
Sotah 47a
Our Rabbis have taught: Always let the left hand thrust away and the right hand draw near. Not like Elisha who thrust Gehazi away with both his hands (and not like ' Joshua b. Perahiah who thrust one of his disciples away with both his hands).11
Here, the editor's footnote reads:
[(11) MSS. and old editions read Jesus the Nazarene. R. T. Herford sees in Gehazi a hidden reference to Paul. Cf. his Christianity in Talmud and Midrash, pp. 97ff.]
Another interesting passage indicates that the Talmud regarded the changing of the spelling of a name to be a sign of divine disapproval. The following passage discusses the change of a name from Yehoshua to Yoshua. Arachim 32b
And the other?13 - He [Ezra] had prayed for mercy because of the passion for idolatry and he removed it, and his merit then shielded them even as the booth. That is why Scripture reproved Joshua, for in all other passages it is spelt: Yahushua, but here, Joshua.14
The editor's footnote reads:
[(14) For his failure to implore the Lord to remove the passion for idolatry from the heart of the people. Just as with Abram the enlargement of his name into 'Abraham' was an expression of divine approval, so did this diminution of Yahushua into Joshua express divine disapproval. The reason for Joshua's failure to implore the Lord to remove the passion for idolatry was his assumption that he possessed the land in its pristine holiness, so that it would in itself help Israel to overcome its idolatrous tendencies.]
Perhaps that is the reason why the Talmud altered the spelling of the name Jesus of Nazareth from Yeshua ha-Notzri to Yesu ha-Notzri. However, it is clear that the editor of the Talmud regarded this as the equivalent of Yeshua ha-Notzri. Associated with the following passage in the Talmud is an interesting footnote by the editor:
Sanhedrin 67a
For it has been taught: And for all others for whom the Torah decrees death, witnesses are not hidden, excepting for this one. How is it done? - A light is lit in an inner chamber, the witnesses are hidden in an outer one [which is in darkness], so that they can see and hear him,11 but he cannot see them. Then the person he wished to seduce says to him, 'Tell me privately what thou hast proposed to me'; and he does so. Then he remonstrates; 'But how shall we forsake our God in Heaven, and serve idols'? If he retracts, it is well. But if he answers: 'It is our duty and seemly for us', the witnesses who were listening outside bring him to the Beth din, and have him stoned.12
The editor's footnote reads:
[(12) In the uncensored editions of the Talmud there follows this important passage (supplied from D.S. on the authority of the Munich and Oxford Mss. and the older editions) 'And this they did to Ben Stada in Lydda ( . . .), and they hung him on the eve of Passover. Ben Stada was Ben Padira. '. Hisda said: 'The husband was Stada, the paramour Pandira. But was nor the husband Pappos b. Judah? - His mother's name was Stada. But his mother was Miriam, a dresser of woman's hair? (. . . megaddela neshayia): - As they say in Pumbaditha, This woman has turned away (. . .) from her husband, (i.e., committed adultery).' T. Herford, in 'Christianity in the Talmud', pp. 37 seqq, 344 seqq, identifies this Ben Stada with Jesus of Nazareth. As to the meaning of the name, he connects it with ** 'seditious', and suggests (p. 345 n.1) that it originally denoted 'that Egyptian' (Acts XXI 38, Josephus, Ant. XX, 8, 6) who claimed to be a prophet and led his followers to the Mount of Olives, where he was routed by the Procurator Felix, and that in later times he might have been confused with Jeshua ha-Notzri. This hypothesis, however, involves the disregard of the Talmudic data, for Pappos b. Judah lived a century after Jesus (Cit. 90a), though the mother's name, Miriam (Mary), would raise no difficulty, as . . . megaddla neshayia may be the result of a confusion with Mary Magdalene (v. also Box, The Virgin Birth of Jesus, pp. 201f, for other possible meanings of Ben Stada and Ben Pandira) Derenbourg (Essai note 9, pp. 465-471) rightly denies the identity of Ben Stada with Jesus, and regards him simply as a false prophet executed during the second century at Lydda.]
Note that the editor spells the name of Jesus as Jeshua ha-Notzri when he transliterated it.
From this evidence it can be concluded that in post-exilic Bible times the names Yehoshua and Yeshua were regarded as equivalent names of the same person. Also the Talmudic evidence indicates that historically the Jews regarded the name of Jesus as Yeshua, perhaps omitting the *hey* as their sign of divine disapproval, and then subsequently omitting the *ayin* as further disapproval.


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