Of the happenings in Eden, the one that is nearly always glossed over is exactly what knowledge of good and evil did to Adam.

Before eating of the tree, Adam was imbued with the breath (life) of YHWH. Like YHWH he had nesama (conscience) which at this point gave him an intimate indication of YHWH's opinion in any choice he (Adam) made. Adam's conscience was 'advised and directed' acording to YHWH's righteousness (knowledge of good and evil)

Adam was set up by satan with a very nasty choice; wife or Yahweh.

Gleaning what I can from satan's words, acknowledging that there was deceipt in them, but also accepting that the best deceipts are almost true, eating the fruit substituted YHWH's influence over concience with a personal man centred (physical not spiritual) influence.

So before the fall Adam had YHWH's guidance always at hand, post fall he only had his own judgement, and consiousness of the physical world around him. He was no longer spiritually aware of YHWH (they could now only hear him physically).

His conscience was not anahilated, but it was now a tool of his own imperfect and physiacl knowledge of good and evil.

When Yahushua was nailed to the stauros, at the appointed time His connection to Yahweh and the Ruarch Quodesh were severed, for he took on the sin of the world. But he retained his perfect knowledge of Good and Evil so he knew what to do next. Because of this Death had no hold on him, he could not be separated from Yahweh permanently. As soon as the punishment for the sin had been meted out and fiulfilled, he was automatically back in YHWH's Kingdom and YHWH's righteousness.

In Ephesians 5 we read that we deal not with flesh and blood, but with the powers and the principalities of the earth and of darkness. The conscience was designed by YHWH to be a guide along His WAY, severed from YHWH the conscience allows mankind to choose his own path subject to his own judgement, unfortunately man's judgement is notably easily corrupted, both by the things of earth, and by undesirable spiritual things.

Yehoshua invites us to seek to become members of the Kingdom of YHWH. It is difficult in this age of democracy to understand kingship: A person who has the undisputed and unaccountable right of life and death over his/her subjects. Where, if one chooses to be loyal, one might be rewarded, but for anything else, including the whim of the monarch, one's life is forfeit, fair or unfair it is of no consequence.

To be a member of the Kingdom of YHWH, we choose to put ourselves into his care, accepting his covenant that he will care for us as a Father (but also accepting his right to unaccountability as a King).

Alongside of the invitation to become a member of the Kingdom of YHWH, we get the invitation to participate in His righteousness - the two go together. YHWH's righteousnes is His Knowledge of Good and Evil. We are to seek Yahweh's knowledge of good and evil rather than our own.

As fallen men and women, our knowledge of good and evil sits over our conscience dominationg our decision making processes, it is so embedded within our psyche that it is totally part of our character and consciousness. TRUE Scripture gives us guidance (thank-you YY); and an acurate comprehension of scripture is our main tool in the search for Yahweh's rightiousness.

Paul tells us not to be conformed, but to be transformed. If I decide, with my knowledge of good and evil, to become part of the kingdom of god, to be a good person, I then start to conform to the rules and become a good jew or a good christian or a good moslem. To my knowledge of good and evil there is not much difference, religion is much the same wherever and whatever.

If I am transformed, I am changed by an outside agency, and in this case Paul is referring to the Ruarch Quodesh - the set apart (Holy) Spirit. Having been cleansed of the mire of sin by the gift of Yahushua, I am now able to be a dwelling place of the Most High in the form of his Set apart Spirit. If I allow Her, She will indwell me and transform me to YHWH's image, She will deal with my knowledge of good and evil, replacing it with YHWH's. I will be truly reborn from above.

As Jeremiah says 'Blessed be YHWH for His laws are written on my heart'

Hello jojocc,

I have a slight problem with this:

"The knowledge of good and evil that came to Adam and Chava in the garden could be said to be the cause of sin, and would it be stretching too far to say that ultimately, sin is anything that we (man) does that is using this knowledge of good and evil?"

I think the above would be stretching it too far as many have strayed so far that they have actually lost all knowledge of good and evil. They have been indoctrinated with so much falseness from the crib to the grave that they actually have no idea what is good or evil according to the Creator! Look at the poor souls like, er, Achmed the Terrorist, who have been taught that it is a good thing to kill non-believers via a bomb strapped to their chest at the tender age of 20. This knowledge of good and evil has been hijacked to the point that many do not really know as that little voice inside their heads has been drowned, silenced to the point that billions will be lost in the not too distant future. So if they have no knowledge, what is sin to them?

They do not know that sin is the transgression of the Law. Ignorance of this Law is what brings man to misunderstand the Creator, each other and our Purpose. That is why ignorant gays can proudly claim that their God is merciful and accepting of their ways without a hint of guilt. Why people murder in the names of their Gods. Why people covet in the religion of mammon. Why people despise the Creator and hail the creation. And the list goes on. Which is why Yahushua said, "Father, forgive them for they do not know what they do."

So although Yahushua gave us the bottomline message to love Yahweh and each other, the 10 commandments outline how to love Yahweh and each other; the first four for Yahweh and the balance six for fellow man. Further details on each of the 10 are found in Scripture. If our conscience is guarded by these precepts, we do well. By acknowledging The Sacrifice of the Creator, then we do better. And even better still when we do The Work in these last days.

Hmmm, I kinda liked your reply at first then I thought... two sets of knowledge? I rather think that knowledge is knowledge... KGE from the ruler of this world corrupting the KGE from Yahweh? Again, a little tricksy, as Gollum would say.

I rather think that Yahweh gave A&C all the information necessary to live a good life on this earth and stay in commune with Him. But it all depended upon a reliance on Yahweh and His instructions. His knowledge. However, A&C were beguiled to expand that information and decide for themselves what is suitable.

Their realisation that their nakedness was shameful was not because they ate of the tree of KGE but because Lucifer told them that it was shameful. Yahweh did not think of their nakedness as shameful or else He would have said something and clothed them from the start.

The father of lies provided A&C with misinformation that brought them down. It was the desire to decide for themselves what is good or evil that made them eat of the tree of KGE. When they realised that they were not equipped to really know what is good or evil it was too late, and being shameful of their disobedience they hid from Yahweh. Their nakedness had nothing to do with it, and that it was deemed bad was because of a lie from Lucifer. He knew that for those people with no knowledge, lies can swing them anywhere: good can be made bad and bad made good. That is why Yahweh said that His people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. If you know good and bad today, you can still choose. The knowledge of bad does not make you evil, only what you do with that knowledge: accept it or reject it.

Today we realise that do not really need to know what is bad. We have seen enough. I rather think that a full and complete dependence on Yahweh is better than having knowledge of good and evil. Especially if it is clouded up in mirrors and smoke. I'm kinda tired of searching and deciding myself and want our Father to handle things His way.

Man's 'Good' deeds are as filthy rags, why? because what man thinks is 'good' is not necessarily what YHWH thinks is good.

There are probably many believers who regard this website as positively evil, I hope YHWH does not think so.

Thanks everyone for adding to this because it really helps us all to realise that "iron sharpens iron." As we share we learn and grow in the Grace of our Big Brother Yahushua. Sure beats sitting in a pew listening to stuff that is non-Scriptural... and being unable to say anything about it!

"Adam was clothed"

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