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Offline needhelp  
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:04:37 AM(UTC)
needhelp
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While reading this morning I came across another of the
double meaning words, "Ro'sh". "Yare'" and "halal" being two
of the most common of others that confuse me.(not hard to do)
ro'sh meaning poison "Deut 32:32" and Head as in family
by our translators and yada. Question: Does this mean the
xtrians are right that interpretation is up to the person?
That doesn't make sense, but a wrong interpretation could be
disastrous.
Hope this thought dosen't send me to Sheol, as an interesting
aside, definition "1d" of bayith, by adding a ro'sh to bayith we
have the covenant yada always says. A poison ro'sh would give
us sheol. Wouldn't it???

- Original: ????
- Transliteration: Bayith
- Phonetic: bah'-yith
- Definition:
1. house
a. house, dwelling habitation
b. shelter or abode of animals
c. human bodies (fig.)
d. of Sheol
e. of abode of light and darkness
f. of land of Ephraim
2. place

- Original: ???? ????
- Transliteration: Ro'sh
- Phonetic: roshe
- Definition:
1. gall, venom, bitter, poisonous
- Origin: apparently the same as H7218
- TWOT entry: 2098
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

- Strong's: Apparently the same as H7218; a poisonous plant probably the poppy (from its conspicuous head); generally poison (even of serpents): - gall hemlock posion venom.
Total KJV Occurrences: 12
• gall, 9
Deut 29:18; Deut 32:32; Ps 69:21; Jer 8:14; Jer 9:15; Jer 23:15; Lam 3:5; Lam 3:19; Amos 6:12

• hemlock, 1
Hos 10:4

• poison, 1
Job 20:16

• venom, 1
Deut 32:33


- Original: ????
- Transliteration: Ro'sh
- Phonetic: roshe
- Definition:
1. head, top, summit, upper part, chief, total, sum, height, front, beginning
a. head (of man, animals)
b. top, tip (of mountain)
c. height (of stars)
d. chief, head (of man, city, nation, place, family, priest)
e. head, front, beginning
f. chief, choicest, best
g. head, division, company, band
h. sum
- Origin: from an unused root apparently meaning to shake
- TWOT entry: 2097
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

- Strong's: From an unused root apparently meaning to shake; the head (as most easily shaken) whether literally or figuratively (in many applications of place time rank etc.): - band beginning captain chapiter chief (-est place man things) company end X every [man] excellent first forefront ([be-]) head height (on) high (-est part [priest]) X lead X poor principal ruler sum top.
Total KJV Occurrences: 598
• bands, 2
1Chr 12:23; Job 1:17

• beginning, 12
Exod 12:2; Deut 32:42; Judg 7:19; Ps 119:160; Prov 8:23; Eccl 3:11; Isa 40:21; Isa 41:4; Isa 41:26; Isa 48:16; Lam 2:19; Ezek 40:1

• beginnings, 2
Num 10:10; Num 28:11

• beheaded, 1
2Sam 4:7

• captain, 4
Num 14:4; 1Chr 11:42; 2Chr 13:12; Neh 9:17

• captains, 6
Deut 29:10; 1Chr 4:42; 1Chr 11:15; 1Chr 12:14; 1Chr 12:18; 1Chr 12:20

• chapiters, 4
Exod 36:38; Exod 38:17; Exod 38:19; Exod 38:28

• chief, 93
Num 31:26; Num 32:28; Num 36:1(2); Deut 1:15; 2Sam 23:8; 2Sam 23:13; 2Sam 23:18; 2Kgs 25:18; 1Chr 5:7; 1Chr 5:12; 1Chr 5:15; 1Chr 7:3; 1Chr 7:40; 1Chr 8:28; 1Chr 9:9; 1Chr 9:17; 1Chr 9:33; 1Chr 9:34(2); 1Chr 11:6(2); 1Chr 11:10; 1Chr 11:11; 1Chr 11:20; 1Chr 12:3; 1Chr 12:18; 1Chr 15:12; 1Chr 16:5; 1Chr 23:8; 1Chr 23:9; 1Chr 23:11; 1Chr 23:16; 1Chr 23:17; 1Chr 23:18; 1Chr 23:24; 1Chr 24:4; 1Chr 24:6; 1Chr 24:31; 1Chr 26:10(2); 1Chr 26:12; 1Chr 26:21; 1Chr 26:26; 1Chr 26:31; 1Chr 26:32; 1Chr 27:1; 1Chr 27:3; 1Chr 27:5; 2Chr 1:2; 2Chr 11:22; 2Chr 19:8; 2Chr 19:11; 2Chr 23:2; 2Chr 24:6; 2Chr 26:12; 2Chr 26:20; 2Chr 31:10; Ezra 1:5; Ezra 2:68; Ezra 3:12; Ezra 4:2; Ezra 4:3; Ezra 7:5; Ezra 8:1; Ezra 8:17; Ezra 10:16; Neh 7:70; Neh 7:71; Neh 8:13; Neh 10:14; Neh 11:3; Neh 11:13; Neh 11:16; Neh 12:7; Neh 12:12; Neh 12:22; Neh 12:23; Neh 12:24; Neh 12:46; Job 12:24; Job 29:25; Ps 137:6; Prov 1:21; Song 4:14; Jer 13:21; Jer 31:7; Jer 52:24; Lam 1:5; Ezek 27:22; Ezek 38:2; Ezek 38:3; Ezek 39:1

• chiefest, 1
1Sam 9:22

• companies, 7
Judg 7:16; Judg 7:20; Judg 9:34; Judg 9:43; Judg 9:44; 1Sam 11:11; 1Sam 13:17

• company, 5
Judg 9:37; Judg 9:44; 1Sam 13:17; 1Sam 13:18(2)

• ends, 2
1Kgs 8:8; 2Chr 5:9

• every, 1
Judg 5:30

• excellent, 1
Ps 141:5

• first, 6
1Chr 12:9; 1Chr 16:7; 1Chr 23:19; 1Chr 23:20; 1Chr 24:21; Amos 6:7

• forefront, 1
2Chr 20:27

• head, 264
Gen 3:15; Gen 40:13; Gen 40:16; Gen 40:17; Gen 40:19; Gen 40:20; Gen 47:31; Gen 48:14(2); Gen 48:17(3); Gen 48:18; Gen 49:26; Exod 12:9; Exod 26:24; Exod 29:6; Exod 29:7; Exod 29:10; Exod 29:15; Exod 29:17; Exod 29:19; Exod 36:29; Lev 1:4; Lev 1:8; Lev 1:12; Lev 1:15; Lev 3:2; Lev 3:8; Lev 3:13; Lev 4:4; Lev 4:11; Lev 4:15; Lev 4:24; Lev 4:29; Lev 4:33; Lev 5:8; Lev 8:9; Lev 8:12; Lev 8:14; Lev 8:18; Lev 8:20; Lev 8:22; Lev 9:13; Lev 13:12; Lev 13:29; Lev 13:30; Lev 13:40; Lev 13:41; Lev 13:44; Lev 13:45; Lev 14:9; Lev 14:18; Lev 14:29; Lev 16:21(2); Lev 21:5; Lev 21:10(2); Lev 24:14; Num 1:4; Num 5:18; Num 6:5(2); Num 6:7; Num 6:9(2); Num 6:11; Num 6:18(2); Num 17:3; Num 25:15; Deut 21:12; Deut 28:13; Deut 28:23; Deut 28:44; Deut 33:16; Josh 2:19(2); Josh 11:10; Josh 22:14; Judg 5:26; Judg 9:53; Judg 10:18; Judg 11:8; Judg 11:9; Judg 11:11; Judg 13:5; Judg 16:13; Judg 16:17; Judg 16:19; Judg 16:22; 1Sam 1:11; 1Sam 4:12; 1Sam 5:4; 1Sam 10:1; 1Sam 14:45; 1Sam 15:17; 1Sam 17:5; 1Sam 17:38; 1Sam 17:46; 1Sam 17:51; 1Sam 17:54; 1Sam 17:57; 1Sam 25:39; 1Sam 28:2; 1Sam 31:9; 2Sam 1:2; 2Sam 1:10; 2Sam 1:16; 2Sam 2:16; 2Sam 3:8; 2Sam 3:29; 2Sam 4:7; 2Sam 4:8(2); 2Sam 4:12; 2Sam 12:30(2); 2Sam 13:19(2); 2Sam 14:26(2); 2Sam 15:30(2); 2Sam 15:32; 2Sam 16:9; 2Sam 18:9; 2Sam 20:21; 2Sam 20:22; 2Sam 22:44; 1Kgs 2:32; 1Kgs 2:33(2); 1Kgs 2:37; 1Kgs 2:44; 1Kgs 8:32; 2Kgs 2:3; 2Kgs 2:5; 2Kgs 4:19(2); 2Kgs 6:25; 2Kgs 6:31; 2Kgs 6:32; 2Kgs 9:3; 2Kgs 9:6; 2Kgs 9:30; 2Kgs 19:21; 2Kgs 25:27; 1Chr 10:9; 1Chr 20:2(2); 1Chr 29:11; 2Chr 6:23; Ezra 9:3; Ezra 9:6; Neh 4:4; Esth 2:17; Esth 6:8; Esth 6:12; Esth 9:25; Job 1:20; Job 10:15; Job 16:4; Job 19:9; Job 20:6; Job 29:3; Job 41:7; Ps 3:3; Ps 7:16; Ps 18:43; Ps 21:3; Ps 22:7; Ps 23:5; Ps 27:6; Ps 38:4; Ps 40:12; Ps 44:14; Ps 60:7; Ps 68:21; Ps 69:4; Ps 83:2; Ps 108:8; Ps 110:7; Ps 118:22; Ps 133:2; Ps 140:7; Ps 140:9; Ps 141:5; Prov 1:9; Prov 4:9; Prov 10:6; Prov 11:26; Prov 25:22; Eccl 2:14; Eccl 9:8; Song 2:6; Song 5:2; Song 5:11; Song 7:5(2); Song 8:3; Isa 1:5; Isa 1:6; Isa 7:8(2); Isa 7:9(2); Isa 7:20; Isa 9:14; Isa 9:15; Isa 19:15; Isa 28:1; Isa 28:4; Isa 37:22; Isa 51:11; Isa 51:20; Isa 58:5; Isa 59:17; Jer 2:37; Jer 9:1; Jer 18:16; Jer 22:6; Jer 23:19; Jer 30:23; Jer 48:37; Jer 52:31; Lam 2:15; Lam 3:54; Lam 5:16; Ezek 5:1; Ezek 8:3; Ezek 9:10; Ezek 10:1; Ezek 10:11; Ezek 13:18; Ezek 16:12; Ezek 16:25; Ezek 16:31; Ezek 16:43; Ezek 17:19; Ezek 21:19; Ezek 21:21; Ezek 29:18; Ezek 33:4; Ezek 42:12; Dan 1:10; Hos 1:11; Joel 3:4; Joel 3:7; Amos 2:7; Amos 8:10; Amos 9:1; Obad 1:15; Jonah 2:5; """


- Original: ???
- Transliteration: Yare'
- Phonetic: yaw-ray'
- Definition:
1. to fear, revere, be afraid
a. (Qal)
1. to fear, be afraid
2. to stand in awe of, be awed
3. to fear, reverence, honour, respect
b. (Niphal)
1. to be fearful, be dreadful, be feared
2. to cause astonishment and awe, be held in awe
3. to inspire reverence or Godly fear or awe
c. (Piel) to make afraid, terrify
2. (TWOT) to shoot, pour
- Origin: a primitive root
- TWOT entry: 907,908
- Part(s) of speech: Verb

- Strong's: A primitive root; to fear; morally to revere; causatively to frighten: - affright be (make) afraid dread (-ful) (put in) fear (-ful -fully -ing). (be had in) reverence (-end) X see terrible (act -ness thing).
Total KJV Occurrences: 334
• acts, 1
Ps 145:6

• afraid, 81
Gen 3:10; Gen 18:15; Gen 20:8; Gen 28:17; Gen 31:31; Gen 32:7; Gen 42:35; Gen 43:18; Exod 3:6; Exod 14:10; Exod 34:30; Num 12:8; Deut 1:29; Deut 2:4; Deut 5:5; Deut 7:18; Deut 7:19; Deut 20:1; Deut 28:10; Josh 9:24; Josh 11:6; 1Sam 4:7; 1Sam 7:7; 1Sam 17:11; 1Sam 17:24; 1Sam 18:12; 1Sam 18:29; 1Sam 21:12; 1Sam 23:3; 1Sam 28:5; 1Sam 28:13; 1Sam 28:20; 1Sam 31:4; 2Sam 1:14; 2Sam 6:9; 2Sam 14:15; 2Kgs 1:15; 2Kgs 10:4; 2Kgs 19:6; 2Kgs 25:26; 1Chr 10:4; 1Chr 13:12; 2Chr 20:15; 2Chr 32:7; Neh 2:2; Neh 4:14; Neh 6:9; Neh 6:13; Job 5:21; Job 5:22; Job 6:21; Ps 3:6; Ps 49:16; Ps 56:3; Ps 56:11; Ps 65:8; Ps 91:5; Ps 112:7; Ps 112:8; Ps 119:120; Prov 3:25; Prov 31:21; Eccl 12:5; Isa 10:24; Isa 37:6; Isa 40:9; Isa 51:12; Jer 1:8; Jer 10:5; Jer 26:21; Jer 41:18; Jer 42:11(3); Ezek 2:6(3); Joel 2:22; Jonah 1:5; Jonah 1:10; Hab 3:2

• dread, 1
1Chr 22:13

• dreadful, 5
Gen 28:17; Dan 9:4; Hab 1:7; Mal 1:14; Mal 4:5

• durst, 1
Job 32:6

• fear, 151
Gen 15:1; Gen 21:17; Gen 26:24; Gen 32:11; Gen 35:17; Gen 43:23; Gen 46:3; Gen 50:19; Gen 50:21; Exod 9:30; Exod 14:13; Exod 20:20; Lev 19:3; Num 14:9(2); Num 21:34; Deut 1:21; Deut 3:2; Deut 3:22; Deut 4:10; Deut 5:29; Deut 6:2; Deut 6:13; Deut 6:24; Deut 8:6; Deut 10:12; Deut 10:20; Deut 13:4; Deut 13:11; Deut 14:23; Deut 17:13; Deut 17:19; Deut 19:20; Deut 20:3; Deut 21:21; Deut 28:58; Deut 31:6; Deut 31:8; Deut 31:12; Deut 31:13; Josh 4:24; Josh 8:1; Josh 10:8; Josh 10:25; Josh 24:14; Judg 4:18; Judg 6:10; Judg 6:23; Judg 7:10; Ruth 3:11; 1Sam 4:20; 1Sam 12:14; 1Sam 12:20; 1Sam 12:24; 1Sam 22:23; 1Sam 23:17; 2Sam 9:7; 2Sam 13:28; 1Kgs 8:40; 1Kgs 8:43; 1Kgs 17:13; 1Kgs 18:12; 2Kgs 4:1; 2Kgs 6:16; 2Kgs 17:28; 2Kgs 17:34; 2Kgs 17:35; 2Kgs 17:36; 2Kgs 17:37; 2Kgs 17:38; 2Kgs 17:39; 2Kgs 25:24; 1Chr 28:20; 2Chr 6:31; 2Chr 6:33; 2Chr 20:17; Neh 1:11; Neh 6:14; Neh 6:19; Job 1:9; Job 9:35; Job 11:15; Job 37:24; Ps 15:4; Ps 23:4; Ps 27:1; Ps 27:3; Ps 33:8; Ps 34:9; Ps 40:3; Ps 46:2; Ps 49:5; Ps 52:6; Ps 55:19; Ps 56:4; Ps 64:4; Ps 64:9; Ps 67:7; Ps 72:5; Ps 86:11; Ps 102:15; Ps 118:6; Ps 119:63; Prov 3:7; Prov 24:21; Eccl 3:14; Eccl 5:7; Eccl 8:12; Eccl 12:13; Isa 7:4; Isa 8:12; Isa 25:3; Isa 35:4; Isa 41:10; Isa 41:13; Isa 41:14; Isa 43:1; Isa 43:5; Isa 44:2; Isa 51:7; Isa 54:4; Isa 54:14; Isa 59:19; Jer 5:22; Jer 5:24; Jer 10:7; Jer 23:4; Jer 26:19; Jer 30:10; Jer 32:39; Jer 40:9; Jer 46:27; Jer 46:28; Jer 51:46; Lam 3:57; Ezek 3:9; Dan 1:10; Dan 10:12; Dan 10:19; Joel 2:21; Amos 3:8; Jonah 1:9; Mic 7:17; Zeph 3:7; Zeph 3:16; Hag 1:12; Hag 2:5; Zech 8:13; Zech 8:15; Zech 9:5; Mal 3:5

• feared, 44
Gen 19:30; Gen 26:7; Exod 1:17; Exod 1:21; Exod 2:14; Exod 9:20; Exod 14:31; Deut 25:18; Josh 4:14(2); Josh 10:2; Judg 6:27; Judg 8:20; 1Sam 3:15; 1Sam 12:18; 1Sam 14:26; 1Sam 15:24; 2Sam 3:11; 2Sam 10:19; 2Sam 12:18; 1Kgs 1:50; 1Kgs 3:28; 1Kgs 18:3; 2Kgs 17:7; 2Kgs 17:25; 2Kgs 17:32; 2Kgs 17:33; 2Kgs 17:41; 1Chr 16:25; 2Chr 20:3; Neh 7:2; Ps 76:7; Ps 76:8; Ps 96:4; Ps 130:4; Isa 41:5; Isa 57:11; Jer 3:8; Jer 44:10; Ezek 11:8; Hos 10:3; Jonah 1:16; Mal 2:5; Mal 3:16

• fearest, 1
Isa 57:11

• feareth, 5
1Kgs 1:51; Ps 112:1; Prov 14:2; Eccl 8:13; Eccl 9:2

• fearful, 2
Exod 15:11; Deut 28:58

• fearfully, 1
Ps 139:14

• fearing, 1
Josh 22:25

• frighten, 1
2Chr 32:18

• God, 5
Lev 19:14; Lev 19:32; Lev 25:17; Lev 25:36; Lev 25:43

• reverence, 3
Lev 19:30; Lev 26:2; Ps 89:7

• reverend, 1
Ps 111:9

• terrible, 24
Deut 1:19; Deut 7:21; Deut 8:15; Deut 10:17; Judg 13:6; 2Sam 7:23; Neh 1:5; Neh 4:14; Neh 9:32; Job 37:22; Ps 45:4; Ps 47:2; Ps 66:3; Ps 66:5; Ps 68:35; Ps 76:12; Ps 99:3; Isa 18:2; Isa 18:7; Isa 21:1; Ezek 1:22; Joel 2:11; Joel 2:31; Zeph 2:11

• terribleness, 1
1Chr 17:21

• thing, 1
Exod 34:10

• things, 4
Deut 10:21; Ps 65:5; Ps 106:22; Isa 64:3
"""

- Original: ???
- Transliteration: Halal
- Phonetic: haw-lal'
- Definition:
1. to shine
a. (Qal) to shine (fig. of God's favour)
b. (Hiphil) to flash forth light
2. to praise, boast, be boastful
a. (Qal)
1. to be boastful
2. boastful ones, boasters (participle)
b. (Piel)
1. to praise
2. to boast, make a boast
c. (Pual)
1. to be praised, be made praiseworthy, be commended, be worthy of praise
d. (Hithpael) to boast, glory, make one's boast
e. (Poel) to make a fool of, make into a fool
f. (Hithpoel) to act madly, act like a madman
- Origin: a primitive root
- TWOT entry: 499,500
- Part(s) of speech: Verb

- Strong's: A primitive root; to be clear (originally of sound but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively to celebrate; also to stultify: - (make) boast (self) celebrate commend (deal make) fool (-ish -ly) glory give [light] be (make feign self) mad (against) give in marriage [sing be worthy of] praise rage renowned shine.
Total KJV Occurrences: 165
• boast, 2
Ps 34:2; Ps 44:8

• boasteth, 2
Ps 10:3; Prov 20:14

• celebrate, 1
Isa 38:18

• commended, 2
Gen 12:15; Prov 12:8

• foolish, 2
Ps 5:5; Ps 73:3

• foolishly, 1
Ps 75:4

• fools, 2
Job 12:17; Ps 75:4

• give, 1
Isa 13:10

• gloriest, 1
Jer 49:4

• glorieth, 1
Jer 9:24

• glory, 12
1Chr 16:10; Ps 63:11; Ps 64:10; Ps 105:3; Ps 106:5; Isa 41:16; Isa 45:25; Jer 4:2; Jer 9:23(3); Jer 9:24

• himself, 2
1Kgs 20:11; Prov 25:14

• mad, 8
1Sam 21:13; Ps 102:8; Eccl 2:2; Eccl 7:7; Isa 44:25; Jer 25:16; Jer 50:38; Jer 51:7

• marriage, 1
Ps 78:63

• praise, 92
1Chr 16:4; 1Chr 23:5; 1Chr 23:30; 1Chr 25:3; 1Chr 29:13; 2Chr 8:14; 2Chr 20:19; 2Chr 20:21; 2Chr 23:13; 2Chr 29:30; 2Chr 31:2; Ezra 3:10; Neh 12:24; Ps 22:22; Ps 22:23; Ps 22:26; Ps 35:18; Ps 56:4; Ps 56:10(2); Ps 63:5; Ps 69:30; Ps 69:34; Ps 74:21; Ps 102:18; Ps 104:35; Ps 105:45; Ps 106:1; Ps 106:48; Ps 107:32; Ps 109:30; Ps 111:1; Ps 112:1; Ps 113:1(3); Ps 113:9; Ps 115:17; Ps 115:18; Ps 116:19; Ps 117:1; Ps 117:2; Ps 119:164; Ps 119:175; Ps 135:1(3); Ps 135:3; Ps 135:21; Ps 145:2; Ps 146:1(2); Ps 146:2; Ps 146:10; Ps 147:1; Ps 147:12; Ps 147:20; Ps 148:1(3); Ps 148:2(2); Ps 148:3(2); Ps 148:4; Ps 148:5; Ps 148:7; Ps 148:13; Ps 148:14; Ps 149:1; Ps 149:3; Ps 149:9; Ps 150:1(3); Ps 150:2(2); Ps 150:3(2); Ps 150:4(2); Ps 150:5(2); Ps 150:6(2); Prov 27:2; Prov 28:4; Prov 31:31; Isa 62:9; Jer 20:13; Jer 31:7; Joel 2:26

• praised, 19
Judg 16:24; 2Sam 14:25; 2Sam 22:4; 1Chr 16:25; 1Chr 16:36; 1Chr 23:5; 2Chr 5:13; 2Chr 7:6; 2Chr 30:21; Ezra 3:11; Neh 5:13; Ps 18:3; Ps 48:1; Ps 96:4; Ps 113:3; Ps 145:3; Prov 31:30; Song 6:9; Isa 64:11

• praises, 1
2Chr 29:30

• praiseth, 1
Prov 31:28

• praising, 4
2Chr 5:13; 2Chr 23:12; Ezra 3:11; Ps 84:4

• rage, 2
Jer 46:9; Nah 2:4

• renowned, 1
Ezek 26:17

• shine, 1
Job 41:18

• shined, 2
Job 29:3; Job 31:26

• themselves, 2
Ps 49:6; Ps 97:7

• thyself, 2
Ps 52:1; Prov 27:1
"""

Does anyone have a rational explanation?
Offline James  
#2 Posted : Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:14:30 AM(UTC)
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Many words in Hebrew have a dual and often contradictory meaning. These to me tend to be some of the most enlightening words because they convey choice and consequence.

Yare for existence: on the good side reverence and awe, respect and adoration, honor and esteem. On the negative side fear and tremble. Depending on how one views Yah will determine weather one is on or should be on the good side or the bad side of yare.

Viewing Yahowah as our father we respect, revere and esteem Him and His word. Viewing Him as Lord one would fear His judgment.

This doesn't seem to be the case with ro'sh, which appears to be a very derived word, almost a colloquialism. From a brief etymological study it seems it originated as describing the head of a plant that was poisonous, but came to be associated with poison from that. So it may have started with someone warning that the head of plant X was poisonous, and over time that working its way into the vernacular of the people to mean poison. All sources seem to agree that it was derived from the primary meaning of head, but came to mean poison in certain context.

Interestingly חֵמָה hemah meaning poison and venom was used in the very next verse to reinforce the implied meaning in the previous verse.
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#3 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 2:19:27 AM(UTC)
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Thankx James. I hate to say it, but, even rational
doesn't seem to make much sense. Thankx again
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#4 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 4:44:37 AM(UTC)
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Think of it like this, might help not sure: In English the word brain has come to mean intelligence in some ways, derived from the idea that the brain is where thinking is done. So in English I might say Tommy is such a brain. Everyone listening to me would understand that i am saying Tommy is smart, although that is not what brain means at it's core.

If a plant in our region was known for having a poisonous head, one might say of the common occurrence of someone getting sick from touching it that, "he touched the head" thus turning that phrase into a colloquialism for he is poisoned. Over time the phrase touched the head becomes so synonymous with poisoned that it often gets shortened to just head and head becomes synonymous with poisoned.

If you want to see colloquialisms at work study a little bit about cockney speech.
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Offline needhelp  
#5 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 5:14:52 AM(UTC)
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I do not want to create an argument but, I'm still confused.
If ro'sh is synonymous with poison, then why does yada
keep saying by just adding a ro'sh to bayith we have the
covenant ? That makes it sound bad. That would make
the house of sheol poison, among other things, none of
which sound to good when going deeper into words and
phrases for ourselves. I don't think all of us were meant to
be translators. Especially me. People like you who have
the talent are greatly appreciated. Thankx!!

Rereading it just now, it sounds different.
house of sheol is poison, sounds good to me
how stupid of me, really slow.
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#6 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 8:40:23 AM(UTC)
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I think i see where the confusion is now. What Yada is saying is that the only difference between baiyth, home and family, and bayreth, covenant is the addition of a ro'sh, he is not meaning ro'sh, spelled RWS, but the Hebrew letter.
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#7 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 8:56:38 AM(UTC)
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Resh ( the hebrew letter R) vs   S7218 Rosh ( the hebrew word )

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/28_chart.html
Offline JamesH  
#8 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 12:16:01 PM(UTC)
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I also noticed that S7219 rowsh ( a poisonous plant ) ( 12x ) is spelled different than S7218 rosh ( to shake;  the head ( as most easily shaken ), head, top, first, sum ) (588x)

S7219 rowsh - spelled ( resh waw shin )
And
S7218 rosh - spelled ( resh aleph shin )

I am seeing these two Hebrew words, as NOT apparently the same as the Expository stated.

I'm thinking that the Christian commentaries or Expository are in error again.
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#9 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 12:46:02 PM(UTC)
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H1004
בּית
bayith
BDB Definition:
1) house
1a) house, dwelling habitation
1b) shelter or abode of animals
1c) human bodies (figuratively)
1d) of Sheol
1e) of abode of light and darkness
1f) of land of Ephraim
2) place
3) receptacle
4) home, house as containing a family
5) household, family
5a) those belonging to the same household
5b) family of descendants, descendants as organized body
6) household affairs
7) inwards (metaphorically)
8) (TWOT) temple
9) on the inside
10) within
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: probably from H1129 abbreviated

H1285
בּרית
berı̂yth
BDB Definition:
1) covenant, alliance, pledge
1a) between men
1a1) treaty, alliance, league (man to man)
1a2) constitution, ordinance (monarch to subjects)
1a3) agreement, pledge (man to man)
1a4) alliance (of friendship)
1a5) alliance (of marriage)
1b) between God and man
1b1) alliance (of friendship)
1b2) covenant (divine ordinance with signs or pledges)
2) (phrases)
2a) covenant making
2b) covenant keeping
2c) covenant violation
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H1262 (in the sense of cutting [like 1254])


Spelling of bayreth, covenant in ancient Hebrew:

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/27_covenant.html


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