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Offline knowing1  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 4:51:50 AM(UTC)
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There appears to be some clarification required (or more research on my part) regarding the fate of souls. Christians by believing that "JC" died on the cross so that that they could have eternal life, do make their souls immortal, but only to spend eternity in the abyss with Ha Satan. So, for the most part, most people will not cease to exist, but will spend eternity in the black hole of the abyss!!

So which souls will cease to exist? atheists? socialist secular humanists? muslims? jews? ????

Just a question to provoke some thinking...

Yah Blesses Those Who Know Him...
Offline dajstill  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:10:11 AM(UTC)
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knowing1 wrote:
There appears to be some clarification required (or more research on my part) regarding the fate of souls. Christians by believing that "JC" died on the cross so that that they could have eternal life, do make their souls immortal, but only to spend eternity in the abyss with Ha Satan. So, for the most part, most people will not cease to exist, but will spend eternity in the black hole of the abyss!!

So which souls will cease to exist? atheists? socialist secular humanists? muslims? jews? ????

Just a question to provoke some thinking...

Yah Blesses Those Who Know Him...


It seems to me that most people will cease to exist. I take that from Genesis (telling Adam that one would surely die if eating from the tree) to Solomon declaring that it would have been better to not even be born in his despair. Jeremiah tells us of the fate of those that intentionally deceive (Jeremiah 23).

So, from my own study I came to the conclusion that the vast majority of people who have/will ever live(d) will cease to exist. Those that belong to Yahowah will live forever with him. Those that belong to evil will live forever in nothingness. I put my theory on this concept in the "fringe" section. I think earth/heaven and our universe pretty much will be swallowed by one of the many forming black holes - and that is where those that belong to evil will be. Black holes are complete nothingness that continue to expand. It would be an absolutely horrible fate, to "exist", but not really. It would be impossible to even remember them, there would be nothing to remember, nothing to look back on. Just like light continues to expand, so does the darkness of black holes. It is actually the polar opposite of light - and almost a worse fate than "eternal damnation" often presented by religions. If "burning in hell" at least their is a chance for indignation. Hell is presented as a crowded place with lots of "souls" all sharing in your fiery fate. Not so with eternal nothingness. As it expands you get more and more alone in absolute and utter darkness. A darkness that can never cease, but is actively expanding. To be conscience of existing, but not really and absolutely no one to blame or cry out to. With black holes, it doesn't matter how many spirits are damned there, it is expanding so much and so actively that they would never be close enough to commiserate together.

By joining Yah in His ever increasing light and even "new heaven/new earth" - you are in bliss, with absolutely no possible memory of the former earth. No sorrow for those who didn't heed a part of Yah's call, there is no memory of them. Your only understanding is the new, all your "memories" are being a part of Yahowah's family - that's it.

That is where I am in these thoughts right now anyway.
Offline InHisName  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:32:55 AM(UTC)
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knowing1 wrote:


Yah Blesses Those Who Know Him...


The answer to your post is in your own last line.

As I understand it, Yah doesn't know or even acknowledge those who have not come into relationship with Him. Simply acknowledging the fact of Passover, Matsa, and First Fruits (or in your example easter (which would actually be wrong knowledge)) is not a relationship, just empty knowledge.

Yah, wants a family to share His life with. Naturally, He wants those family members to share the same values and to want the relationship enough to seek it out.

That relationship is established in coming to know Yah, which is accomplished by listening to Him and thereby coming to know Him and His values. Listening to Him is accomplished by hearing His word, the Torah. Once you know Yah, you know if you want to share in His life and to be adopted into the family via the Covenant.

Then the Miqra have power, then it is Passover without Matsa that causes your Abyss outcome.
Offline James  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:25:42 PM(UTC)
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I don't think that most christians are going to hell. I think you may be misunderstanding what Yada is saying.

Christians do not know, understand or observe Passover, therefore they do not benefit from it, and are destined to die their soul separated from Yah. What Yada's point was is that the Christian celebrations of "good fridah" and "easter sunday" ignore the most important of the three, Matsah. So even if they were right, which they are not, in their understanding of what happened on the upright pole, and benefited from it they would the be eternal but separated from Yah, i.e. in the abyss. But since they don't know, understand or observe Passover they do not benefit from it.
Don't take my word for it, Look it up.

“The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it.” ― Ayn Rand
Offline Mike  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:10:22 PM(UTC)
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Maybe it’s a good thing that the Catholic formula for calculating when Easter is prevents Pesach from ever being the same day as good Friday or Bikuwrym ever being the same day as Easter (Ishtar).

Easter is a moveable feast, meaning it is not fixed in relation to the civil calendar. The First Council of Nicaea (325) established the date of Easter as the first Sunday after the full moon (the Paschal Full Moon) following the March equinox.

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