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Offline James  
#1 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:05:59 AM(UTC)
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Just thought I would post this here, I know I use it frequently to check what is and what isn't in the oldest Greek Manuscripts. This is from the table of contents of the The Text of the Earliest New Testament Greek Manuscripts. It lists each chapter and verse as well as which manuscript it can be found in.

Matthew
1:1–9, 12, 14–20 P1
2:13–16 P70
2:22–23 P70
3:1 P70
3:9 P67
3:10–12 P101
3:15 P67
3:16–17 P101
4:1–3 P101
4:11–12, 22–23 P102
5:13–16 P86
5:20–22 P67
5:22–25 P86
5:25–28 P67
6:10–12 P. Ant. 2.54
10:13–15, 25–27 P110
10:17–23, 25–32 0171
11:26–27 P70
12:4–5 P70
13:55–57 P103
14:3–5 P103
20:24–32 P45
21:13–19 P45
21:34–37, 43, 45(?) P104
23:30–39 P77
24:3–6, 12–15 P70
25:12–15, 20–23 P35
25:41–46 P45
26:1–39 P45
26:7–8, 10, 14–15 P64
26:19–52 P37
26:22–23 P64
26:29–40 P53
26:31–33 P64

Mark
4:36–41 P45
5:1–2, 16–26, 38–43 P45
6:1–3, 15–25, 36–50 P45
7:3–15, 25–37 P45
8:1, 10–26, 34–38 P45
9:1–9, 18–31 P45
11:27–33 P45
12:1, 5–8, 13–19, 24–28 P45

Luke
1:58–59, 62–80 P4
2:1, 6–7 P4
3:8–38 P4
3:18–22, 33–38 P75
4:1–2 P75
4:1–2, 29–32, 34–35 P4
4:34–44 P75
5:1–10 P75
5:3–8, 30–39 P4
5:37–39 P75
6:1–4 P75
6:1–16 P4
6:10–49 P75
6:31–41, 45–49 P45
7:1–7 P45
7:1–32, 35–39, 41–43, 46–50 P75
8:1–56 P75
9:1–2, 4–62 P75
9:26–41, 45–62 P45
10:1 P45
10:1–42 P75
10:6–22, 26–42 P45
11:1 P45
11:1–54 P75
11:6–25, 28–46, 50–54 P45
12:1–12 P45
12:1–59 P75
12:18–37, 42–59 P45
13:1 P45
13:1–35 P75
13:6–24, 29–35 P45
14:1–10 P45
14:1–34 P75
14:17–33 P45
15:1–32 P75
16:1–31 P75
17:1–15, 19–37 P75
17:11–13, 22–23 P111
18:1–18 P75
22:4–71 P75
22:41 P69
22:44–50 0171
22:45–48 P69
22:52–56 0171
22:58–61 P69
22:61, 63–64 0171
23:1–56 P75
24:1–53 P75

John
1:1–51 P66
1:1–51 P75
1:29–35, 40–46 P106
1:23–31, 33–40 P5
2:1–25 P66
2:1–25 P75
2:11–22 0162
3:1–36 P66
3:1–36 P75
3:34 P80
4:1–54 P66
4:1–54 P75
4:51, 54 P45
5:1–47 P66
5:1–47 P75
5:21, 24 P45
5:26–29, 36–38 P95
6:1–11 P66
6:1–71 P75
6:8–12, 17–22 P28
6:35–71 P66
7:1–52 P66
7:1–52 P75
8:12–59 P66
8:12–59 P75
8:14–22 P39
9:1–41 P66
9:1–41 P75
10:1–42 P66
10:1–42 P75
10:7–25, 30–42 P45
11:1–10 P45
11:1–45 P75
11:1–57 P66
11:18–36, 42–57 P45
11:48–57 P75
12:1–50 P66
12:3–50 P75
13:1 P75
13:1–38 P66
13:8–9 P75
14:1–27 P66
14:8–29 P75
14:29–30 P66
15:1–26 P66
15:7–8 P75
15:25–27 P22
16:1–2 P22
16:2–4, 6–7, 10–33 P66
16:14–30 P5
16:21–32 P22
17:1–2, 11 P107
17:1–26 P66
17:22–24 P108
18:1–5 P108
18:1–40 P66
18:31–33 P52
18:36–40 P90
18:37–38 P52
19:1–7 P90
19:1–42 P66
20:1–20 P66
20:11–17, 19–20 P5
20:22–23 P66
20:22–25 P5
20:25–31 P66
21:1–9, 12 P66
21:18–20, 23–25 P109

Acts
2:30–37, 46–47 P91
3:1–2 P91
4:27–36 P45
5:3–21 0189
5:10–21, 30–39 P45
6:7–15 P45
7:1–2, 10–21, 32–41, 52–60 P45
8:1, 14–25 P45
8:26–32 P50
8:34–40 P45
9:1–6, 16–27 P45
9:33–43 P53
9:35–43 P45
10:1 P53
10:1–2, 10–23 P45
10:26–31 P50
10:31–41 P45
11:2–14, 24–29 P45
12:1–5, 13–22 P45
13:6–16, 25–36, 46–52 P45
14:1–3, 15–23 P45
15:2–7, 19–27, 38–41 P45
16:1–4, 15–21, 32–40 P45
17:9–17 P45
18:27–28 P38
19:1–6, 12–16 P38
23:11–17, 25–29 P48
26:7–8, 20 P29

Romans
1:24–27, 31–32 P40
2:1–3 P40
2:12–13, 19 P113
3:21–31 P40
4:1–8 P40
4:23–25 0220
5:1–3, 8–13 0220
5:17–21 P46
6:1–3 P46
6:2–5 P40
6:5–14 P46
6:14–16 P40
8:12–22 P27
8:15–25 P46
8:24–27 P27
8:27–35 P46
8:33–39 P27
8:37–39 P46
9:1–3 P27
9:1–32 P46
9:5–9 P27
9:17, 27 P40
10:1–21 P46
11:1–22, 24–33, 35–36 P46
12:1–21 P46
13:1–14 P46
14:1–23 P46
15:1–9, 11–33 P46
16:1–27 P46

1 Corinthians
1:1–31 P46
2:1–16 P46
3:1–23 P46
4:1–21 P46
5:1–13 P46
6:1–20 P46
7:1–40 P46
7:18–40 P15
8:1–4 P15
8:1–13 P46
9:1–2, 4–27 P46
10:1–33 P46
11:1–34 P46
12:1–31 P46
13:1–13 P46
14:1–14, 16–40 P46
15:1–15, 17–58 P46
16:1–22 P46

2 Corinthians
1:1–24 P46
2:1–17 P46
3:1–18 P46
4:1–18 P46
5:1–21 P46
6:1–18 P46
7:1–16 P46
8:1–24 P46
9:1–15 P46
10:1–18 P46
11:1–10, 12–21, 23–33 P46
12:1–21 P46
13:1–13 P46

Galatians
1:1–8, 10–24 P46
2:1–9, 12–21 P46
3:2–29 P46
4:2–18, 20–31 P46
5:1–17, 20–26 P46
6:1–8, 10–18 P46

Ephesians
1:1–23 P46
1:11–13, 19–21 P92
2:1–7, 10–22 P46
3:1–21 P46
4:1–32 P46
4:16–29, 31–32 P49
5:1–6, 8–33 P46
5:1–13 P49
6:1–6, 8–18, 20–24 P46

Philippians
1:1, 5–15, 17–28, 30 P46
2:1–12, 14–27, 29–30 P46
3:1–8 P46
3:10–17 P16
3:10–21 P46
4:2–8 P16
4:2–12, 14–23 P46

Colossians
1:1–2, 5–13, 16–24, 27–29 P46
2:1–19, 23 P46
3:1–11, 13–24 P46
4:3–12, 16–18 P46

1 Thessalonians
1:1 P46
1:3–29 P65
1:8–29 P46
2:1 P65
2:1–3 P46
2:6–13 P65
4:12–13, 16–17 P30
5:3 P30
5:5–9 P46
5:8–10, 12–18 P30
5:23–28 P46
5:25–28 P30

2 Thessalonians
1:1–2 P30
1:4–5, 11–12 P92
2:1, 9–11 P30

Titus
1:11–15 P32
2:3–8 P32

Philemon
13–15, 24–25 P87

Hebrews
1:1 P12
1:1–14 P46
1:7–12 P114
2:1–18 P46
2:14–18 P13
3:1–19 P13
3:1–19 P46
4:1–16 P13
4:1–16 P46
5:1–5 P13
5:1–14 P46
6:1–20 P46
7:1–28 P46
8:1–13 P46
9:1–16 P46
9:12–19 P17
9:18–28 P46
10:1–20 P46
10:8–22 P13
10:22–30 P46
10:29–39 P13
10:32–39 P46
11:1–13 P13
11:1–40 P46
11:28–40 P13
12:1–17 P13
12:1–29 P46
13:1–25 P46

James
1:10–12, 15–18 P23
2:19–26 P20
3:1–9 P20
3:13–18 P100
4:1–4, 9–17 P100
5:1 P100

1 Peter
1:1–25 P72
2:1–25 P72
3:1–22 P72
4:1–19 P72
5:1–14 P72

2 Peter
1:1–21 P72
2:1–22 P72
3:1–18 P72

1 John
4:11–12, 14–17 P9

Jude
1–25 P72
4–5, 7–8 P78

Revelation
1:4–7 P18
1:13–20 P98
2:1 P98
2:1–3, 13–15, 27–29 P115
3:10–12 P115
5:5–8 P24
5:8–9 P115
6:5–6 P115
6:5–8 P24
8:3–8, 11–13 P115
9:1–5, 7–16, 18–21 P115
9:10–21 P47
10:1–4, 8–11 P115
10:1–11 P47
11:1–3, 5–19 P47
11:1–5, 8–15, 18–19 P115
12:1–5, 8–10, 12–17 P115
12:1–18 P47
13:1–3, 6–16, 18 P115
13:1–18 P47
14:1–3, 5–7, 10–11, 14–15, 18–20 P115
14:1–20 P47
15:1, 4–7 P115
15:1–8 P47
16:1–15, 17–21 P47
17:1–2 P47
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#2 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:03:31 AM(UTC)
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Wow, James. Thank you!
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#3 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:21:37 AM(UTC)
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I'm thinking a fun and interesting project would be to go through and compile all of the verses that aren't extant and see how many of them are the most cited.

What made me think to do this was when I looked up the "Turn the other cheek" verse and found it was not extant. So it would be interesting to see what verses are not extant.

Edited by user Friday, January 11, 2013 6:37:31 AM(UTC)  | Reason: fixed typos

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#4 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:44:31 PM(UTC)
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Thanks James. That would be interesting to see oft quoted ones.

Like Appalacia pentecostal tongue talkin', snake handling, poison drinkers, authorization from the end of Mark for instance ;^)
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#5 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 2:57:08 AM(UTC)
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I set it up in a word doc with a little formatting to make it easier to read.
File Attachment(s):
Extant verses in the Greek text.docx (24kb) downloaded 60 time(s).
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Offline needhelp  
#6 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 3:42:49 AM(UTC)
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Thankx James. It is easier to read. My browser pages roll when I am
trying to read.

Quick question if you don't mind : Are the little dots( forgot proper
word) in hebrew letters just for pronunciation or do they change spelling
also? Sometimes the words look the same without them and sometimes
they don't. Maybe it's my imagination. Thankx

BTW: how many "checks" were you planning on turning? LOL
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#7 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 3:49:05 AM(UTC)
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Okay so I decided to take on the project of compiling the verses that are extant and aren't extant. I am using the ISR Scriptures translation in e-Sword to compile them. I am separating the verses into two documents extant and non-extant. A few facts to bare in mind:

1)I'm extremely prone to error so I may have got some wrong, if you find something wrong please let me know.

2)Just because a verse is not extant does not necessarily mean that it was not written, just that we do not have a first, second or third century manuscript of it.

3)I am not endorsing the ISR translation as a good one, just better than most in that they use more accurate names and don't use LORD.

4)Some of the extant verses are extant in multiple manuscripts, I do not mark this in the compilation but it is marked in the table of contents I posted earlier so you can check it there.

5)I have not checked rather the extant verses differ with the current text, may do this if I have time in the future. So just because it is extant does not mean that it is the same as we have today.

I have completed compiling Mattanyah/Matthew and am posting it now. I will post each book as I go.

Interesting to note with Mattanyah the extant verses take up roughly 9 pages, the non-extant verses take up 38
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#8 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 6:43:58 AM(UTC)
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needhelp wrote:
Quick question if you don't mind : Are the little dots( forgot proper
word) in hebrew letters just for pronunciation or do they change spelling
also? Sometimes the words look the same without them and sometimes
they don't. Maybe it's my imagination. Thankx


They are diacritical marks called niqqud. Their stated purpose it to serve as vowel points since it is claimed that Hebrew has no vowels. However study of the language shows that it in fact has five vowels and they are not needed at all. Every Hebrew word can and was for centuries pronounced without them, they only serve to limit the meaning of words to control understanding. In other words it is said that a word with the same base pointed one way means X and pointed another way means Y, and the Masoretes decided which was which.
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#9 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:08:39 AM(UTC)
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Thankx James. Thought I was loosing
what little mind I had left.

Sorry, I just realized this is a greek page.
How embarassing. Thankx for your help.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 8:51:38 AM(UTC)
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I got Mark done. By way of ratio 7 pages of extant 22 pages of not extant.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:10:06 AM(UTC)
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Luke:

Extant 33 pages non-Extant 14 pages
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John:

Extant 36 pages

Non-extant 2 pages
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Thank you, James.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:22:18 AM(UTC)
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Last for today Acts

Non-Extant verse: 31 pages
Extant verse: 16 pages
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Thank you very much for these resources! This is very helpful!
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Hi again--I hope I'm not being a pain. I've only gotten ten pages into ITG. So far I see a clear presentation of the name, "Yahowah" (which is very satisfying to now finally grasp), but have not yet seen a similar exposition of Ma'aseyah's name.

I'm also noticing on the cover of a book by David Stern, that the name of Ma'aseyah is spelled differently than in ISR's The Scriptures: it is given as yod-shin-waw-ayin. The waw also is placed after the shin instead of before it. Of course this fits with the rabbinical-derived "Yeshua." I can understand how pronunciation might be debated, but isn't there a historical record somewhere that would establish how His name was actually spelled, so we don't have to debate the spelling too?

Thanks for your help.

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^ Yahowsha's name, I seem to recall, is in the T/P/P 270 times. Most often as Mosheh's succesor Yahowsha' son of Nun. I think there is also a rarer use of "Yah cries out", rather than most common "Yah is salvation".
Also seem to recall there some different variations between Mashiach and Mas'sayah...."annointed" versus "Implement doing the work of Yah"....and even some scribal tampering, possibly replacing Ma'asayah with Mashiach.

But been a long time, and not sure of my accurate recall... so you might want to research for yourself.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, February 9, 2014 2:28:43 AM(UTC)
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So this is a list of the verses that ARE in the oldest Greek manuscript?
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#20 Posted : Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:48:31 AM(UTC)
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The list in the first thread is of those verses that are extant in the oldest manuscripts. The subsequent attachments are one of those that are and one of those that aren't, just so you can compare.
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I found this website also showing the parchments and the verses found in them. http://www.thewaytoyahuweh.com/translations/ancient-papyrus
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Perwee wrote:
I found this website also showing the parchments and the verses found in them. http://www.thewaytoyahuweh.com/translations/ancient-papyrus

Wow. Slim pickin's at best. I applaud Swalchy's commitment and Herculean efforts, though his continued focus on the Greek rather than on Yahowah's language, Hebrew, still saddens me.
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Is there a new location for these files? None of the links work.
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