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#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2007 3:39:00 PM(UTC)
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Yada is almost finished with a new YY Chapter #7: Noah - Trustworthy Guide. He invites your suggestions & comments. Please post them to this thread.

(This is the latest version - posted on 9/9.)

You can find the chapter as a Word document attached at the bottom of this message (thanks JP).

Thanks.

-Yada

Quote:
Yada Yahweh
Book 1: Genesis
…Why Are We Here?




7

Noah – Trustworthy Guide



The First Ark…

The timeline of man commenced the moment Adam and Chawah were beguiled by Satan into rebelling against Yahweh. As a consequence, they were expelled from the Garden of Eden, and humankind began its 6,000 year countdown to Armageddon—the last rebellion.

The first increment of time we are given along the way is found in Genesis 5:3. It says: “When (wa) ‘Adam (‘adam – man) had existed (hayah) 130 (salosiym uma’at) years (sanah – changes and repeats of seasons), he fathered a child (yalad) in (ba) his (hu) likeness (damuwt – model and resemblance); similar to (ka – after and in the pattern of) his image (selem – semblance). And he called (qara’) his name (shem) Seth (sheth – six establishes the foundation).” (Genesis 5:3)

By calling Adam’s third son, and the sole heir to the covenant, “six,” and having that would be directly related to the Hebrew term for “provides” and “foundation,” Yahweh was calling attention to the fact that the history of man would be based upon His formula of six plus one. And while that’s clear, I’m not sure how to apply the “130 years.” Did Adam receive his nesamah 130 years previously, or was he expelled from Eden that long ago? By using hayah/existed, Yah seems to be implying the former, even though the measurement of time would have been meaningless to Adam in the garden.

We know that before Seth was born, Cain and Able had grown old enough to become a farmer and shepherd, and one had killed the other. So, it would be safe to say that at least 30, of the 130 years transpired post fall.

This interpretation seems consistent with the next two verses. “The days (yowm – time) Adam existed (hayah) after (‘achar) he fathered (yalad) Seth (sheth – the foundation is six) were 800 (samoneh me’ah) years (sanah – repeats of seasons). He fathered other sons (ben) and daughters (bat). All (kol) the days Adam existed (hayah) were (hayah) 930 years and he died (muwt).” (Genesis 5:4-5) On the surface one would assume that since freewill was on display and central to the Garden of Eden account, Yahweh would have had no control whatsoever regarding the timing of Adam and Chawah’s rebellion. But in actuality, He did. Yahweh not only consciously chose to let Satan slither into Eden, He chose the timing of the Adversary’s advance as well.

The reason Yahweh gave us this detailed information regarding the passage of time between successive heirs to the Covenant is so that we would understand His timeline and be able to establish important dates—past and future. So let’s review what He had to say. “When Seth had lived (hayah - existed) 105 years, he fathered ‘Enowsh (‘anowsh – humankind or mankind).” (Genesis 5:6)

While Seth would go on to live 912 years, it’s the duration between generations which is germane to the timeline. But a word of caution: there is no place in all of Scripture more prone to scribal error than numbers, especially large ones over two significant digits, and especially in the Torah. The reason is, the oldest Torah manuscripts relied on the Egyptian method of accounting which used a horizontal line above an alpha-numerical representation to convey what we write today in the ten-based numbering system replete Arabic numerals and decimal places. This is the system with which Moshe and the Yisra’elites were familiar. But the original format was problematic, because papyrus was woven such that the fibers formed horizontal ridges and indentations. With the ink and writing instruments of the day, and with constant unfurling of scrolls, horizontal lines quickly became difficult to read as the ink faded into the shadows and cracked off the papyrus fibers. So over time, they became virtually invisible in all but the best light and circumstances.

As evidence of this, Hebrew scribes, thousands of years distant from Seth’s time, left out the one hundreds place in six post-flood and pre-Abraham generations. And by implication, it appears that they added this quantity of time into six antediluvian generations to balance the ledger.

If the concept of Masorete copyediting, or at best, inadvertent errors, is new to you, be aware that the Masoretic was written in Babylonian Hebrew, not paleo Hebrew, the alphabet and language of revelation. Men, not God chose how to vocalize the consonant base of the text, and in many cases it’s obvious that they chose poorly, altering the message. Further, the rabbis who compiled Masoretic, considered the Aramaic Targum, also of Babylonian origin, to be their authorized version of Scripture. This was not unlike the Catholics with their Latin Vulgate. Hebrew was a dead language for 2,000 years before it was reconstituted in 1948 with the establishment of the modern state of Israel. Moreover, the Aramaic Targum is not a translation, but instead an interpretive paraphrase of the Old Covenant. This text was routinely altered by religious zealots, and all disagreements between Yahweh and the rabbis were settled in favor of religion. Heavy doses of midrashic interpretation are common in the Targum. Therefore, suspicion and skepticism are warranted in on a massive scale with regard to Masoretic interpretation in general, and specifically when evaluating numbers beyond two significant digits in the Torah.

From this perspective, I’d like you to consider the specific example I alluded to earlier. The Septuagint (prepared 300 to 200 BCE) adds exactly one hundred years to six generations between Shem and Abraham, and twenty years to a seventh—something confirmed by the Samarian Pentateuch (prepared 400 to 600 BCE) in each case.

Unfortunately, when it comes to the first five chapters of Genesis, the Dead Sea Scrolls are of nominal value in resolving this debate. The early chapters of the Torah are badly deteriorated, and so only fragmentary evidence is extant in the otherwise reliable Qumran collection. Fortunately, it doesn’t take a great deal of research to ascertain which source was right, the Masoretic or the unified position of the Septuagint and Samarian Pentateuch. Once we pass the flood, we enter the time of written history where people, nations, and dates are known independently of Scripture. In this regard, the duration of time itemized in the Masoretic between Nimrod, for example, and Abraham is many centuries deficient. But the accounting appears to be accurate with regard to the older aligned texts. (To some degree, this disparity helps us understand why the Rabbinical Calendar places us (living in 2007) in the year 5784, when it is really 5974, just 26 years shy of Yah’s return.)

Acknowledging this post-flood deficiency, to balance the ledger, and to square the Scriptural accounting with the dates which are known (the time of Abraham, the Exodus, and the construction of the Temple under Solomon), we must subtract some of the 620 years added by the Septuagint and Samarian sources from the antediluvian Masoretic accounting. How much, I cannot be certain, so we’ll consider all reasonable possibilities as we move through the Scriptural story.

Also, please understand, while my data and reasoning may be flawed, what I want to convey is that you shouldn’t blindly rely on English translations of the Bible (prepared 1384 CE through 1975), or on the Masoretic (drafted between 1100 CE through 1550), to date the flood to 2348 BCE, because that date is inconsistent with geology, archeology, and written history.

Beyond the issue of numbers, even if we could be certain of the value of values greater than two significant digits, which we can’t, on average we’d still need to add six months to each generation, since there is no indication that an heir was fathered on the predecessor’s birthday. Seth, for example, would have been 105 for 364 days and could have fathered Enowsh at any time during that period. This realization is especially important when it comes to the more numerous, albeit shorter, generations between the flood and Abraham and from Abraham to Moses. Lastly, there is the issue of yalad. It can mean “conceived as in fathered,” or “gave birth to,” the first of which would require the addition of nine months per generation.

Therefore, the bottom line is, there just isn’t enough dependable data to accurately determine the time which transpired from the fall to the flood. That said, there are some interesting insights provided along the way to make the journey worthwhile. And fortunately, by using the generational accounting in the Septuagint, we are able to work backwards from Moses to reestablish the record stolen from us by time. So we can date the flood, and account for this time, that is, so long as we are cognizant of Yah’s plan of six plus one.

“When ‘Enowsh had lived (hayah - existed) 90 years he fathered Qeynan (qeynan – sorrowful possession).” (Genesis 5:9) “Qeynan had lived (hayah - existed) 70 years and he fathered Mahalal’el (mahalal’el – ma, to question, halal, God’s light).” (Genesis 5:12) “Mahalal’el had existed (hayah - lived) 65 years and he fathered Yered (yered – to descend).” (Genesis 5:15)
From the perspective of the parade of names, we’ve gone downhill. “Enowsh (mortal mankind), Qeynan (in sorrowful possession), Mahalal’el (questioned God’s light), and Yered (descend).”
Along the way, the time from conception to conception has declined from 130 to 105 to 90 to 70 to 65 years, so it’s likely that the hundred place was erroneously added into the Masoretic text in the next generation. “When Yered had lived (hayah - existed) 162 years he fathered Hanowk (hanowk – to educate, dedicate, inaugurate, and consecrate, usually transliterated Enoch).” (Genesis 5:18) Finally, a name with a positive attribute. Let’s discover why.

“Hanowk had lived (hayah - existed) 65 years he fathered Matuwselah (mathuwshelach – male branch).” (Genesis 5:21) “Hanowk (better known as Enoch) walked (halak) with God (‘elohym) after (‘ahar) he fathered (yalad – conceived) Matuwselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters. All (kol) the days (yowm – time) Enoch (Hanowk) lived (hayah - existed) were 365 years. “Hanowk (better known as Enoch) walked (halak) with God (‘elohym) and he vanished (‘ayin – was not), for indeed (kiy – because surely), God (‘elohym) grasp hold of and took (laqah – selected, accepted, laid hold of, snatched, received, obtained, carried away, acquired, and procured) him (hu’).” (Genesis 5:21-24) It was the first of seven raptures. And not so coincidently, Enoch was the seventh name on the list.

Beyond God wanting to be with Enoch, there were other reasons for this to have occurred. First, Yahweh wanted to impress upon us the importance of walking with Him. There is no better way to make this point than by telling us that the first man who did so was “grasp hold of, selected, accepted, snatched away by, received, and acquired by God.” That is why Hanowk’s name means “to educate (to instruct us), to dedicate (about the benefit being bestowed), to inaugurate (being the first of seven soul harvests), and to consecrate (of being set apart which is the purpose and result). “I’m going to educate my people by way of this man’s example, setting him apart from all others. He is the inaugural example of my seven harvests, demonstrating what it means to be set apart.”

To stress the importance of this point, after asking Abraham to leave Babylon, Yahweh asked the patriarch of the Covenant “to walk with Him.” Man walking with God is the essence Yah’s plan, our very reason for being—the purpose of the partnership. He’s seeking an engaged and active relationship where we stand upright in His presence.

Second, everything Yahweh does follows His six plus one plan. There are seven harvests of souls. The first was Enoch—symbolizing the harvest of the primarily Gentile ekklesia depicted here and also in Hebrews 11:5. Two: Lot from Sodom—symbolizing the removal of God’s family prior to the towns’ destruction in Genesis 18 and 19 and 2 Peter 2. Three: Eliyah (Yah is God)—symbolizing Yisra’el’s return from Ba’al’s Babylon, their restoration and harvest in 2 Kings 2. Four: Yahushua’s resurrection day—fulfilling the Miqra of FirstFruits in Matthew 27:52 and Leviticus 23. Five: The pre-tribulation harvest, or paralambano harpazo, of the ekklesia. This is the fulfillment of the Miqra of Taruw’ah, which is what makes it unique among the seven. Six: The harvest of tribulation martyrs—depicting those who have come to faith during the trial and have been killed for their belief. This event coincides with the transition between the Tribulation and Millennial Sabbath in Revelation 20:4. And Seven: The harvest of millennial mortals—something which is required as New Jerusalem begins in Revelation 21 and 22.

The third reason Yahweh snatched Hanowk/Enoch away from the polluted planet was because He had another job for him to do. Enoch will join ‘Eliyah/Elijah as one of the two Revelation witnesses during the Tribulation.

Before we leave the verse which depicts the harvest of the first human soul, let’s do a quick accounting. At face value, the years from Adam and his fall to Enoch and his ascension total 987. Adding an average of six months per generation we arrive at 990 years and could go as high as 995 depending upon how we deal with conception. This is very near a millennial marker—especially considering the questionable nature of the record keeping. There are very few things as important to Yah as taking His family members home.

The man named after the primary symbol for the source of eternal life, Matuwselah/Methuselah lived longer than anyone in human history, for 969 years. And while he could well have fathered Lemek at 187, based upon the previous pattern, my instinct tells me we should strongly consider 87. “Matuwselah (mathuwshelach – male branch, symbolic of the Messiyah) had lived (hayah - existed) 187 years when he fathered Lemek (lemek – discipled and informed).” (Genesis 5:25)

“When Lemek had existed (hayah - lived) 182 years he fathered a son (ben) and called (qara’) his name (shem) Noah (noah – to guide and lead to safety with a peaceful attitude, to be dependable, reliable, and trustworthy; from nuwach, meaning guide to the resting place), saying (‘amar), ‘This (zeh) is how He will change, console, and comfort us (naham – cause us to reconsider, to relent and repent, finding relief) from (min) our practices, customs and deeds (ma’aseh – work, labor, pursuits, habits, and conduct, even fate), from (min) the pain and suffering (‘issabown – aching toil) of our hands (yad – a metaphor for individual power, capacity, and strength), and from the earth (‘adamah – soil and ground) which relationally (‘asher) Yahuweh has cursed (‘arar).” (Genesis 5:28-9)

Noah’s name tells us that he is a metaphor for the Messiyah. He is being established as “a guide who leads mankind to safety.” His attitude and approach to life makes him a “dependable, reliable, and trustworthy leader.”

His moniker defines his purpose, which is to change mankind’s thinking, to get us to realize that our societal customs and religious practices, our pursuits, ambitions, habits, and deeds are bad and they need to be revised. It was time for man to relent and repent. It still is. But for those who elect to trust and rely upon this guide, there will be comfort and relief from pain and suffering. That is what paradise is all about.

Also be aware, this passage confirms that Yahweh did what he told Adam He would do. Remember…“To Adam, He said, ‘Because you have listened to (heeded and obeyed) the voice of your wife and have eaten from the tree which I directed (instructed) you, saying not to eat from it, cursed (‘arar) is the ground (‘adamah – region, soil, and earth) because you shall labor (‘issabown – suffer exerting considerable energy) to eat from it all the days of your life (hayah – existence). Thorns and thistles shall sprout up as you consume the vegetation from the open environs (expansive fields outside the walled enclosure). By the sweat of your brow you shall feed yourself bread until you return to the ground from which you were taken because you are dirt (a collection of the minute elements or particles which comprise matter) and surely into the earth (onto dirt) you shall return.” (Genesis 3:17-19) Upholding consequences and fulfilling promises is Yah’s trademark. We, therefore, know what to expect from Him.

It’s time to total the numbers we have been given. The span from Adam to Seth is 130 years, 30 of which is a reasonable guesstimate of the duration post fall. To this we must add: 105, 90, 70, 65, and 65. Then there is a question as to whether the 162, 187, and 182 year periods should be made consistent with the other generational spans. Collectively, this yields a number which is at the very least 656 years to the day Noah was born. But 756, 856, 956, or 1,056 years may have passed from the fall to the emergence of the Ark’s captain.

To each of these totals we must add six months per generation on average and then consider an additional nine-month gestation period. This would add between 4 and 12 years to sum, giving us a minimum of 660 years and the intriguing possibility of 666. The other sums would total: 760 to 768, 860 to 868, and 960 to 968, with the largest possible number being 1,060 to 1,068 years between Adam’s fall and Noah’s accent.

Therefore, based upon the full stated value of the inflated Masoretic numbers, Noah’s birth becomes a candidate for the first millennial marker. The man who would come to symbolize the engaged and protective nature of the Covenant Yahweh would establish with Abraham, is indeed a worthy nominee.

But, the flood itself could mark the first millennia. After all, we still need to account for the 620 year disparity between the oldest sources and their newer rival. Therefore, the fallibility of Masoretic numbering may still be on display in what follows: “When Noah had existed (hayah – lived) 500 years, Noah fathered (yalad – conceived) the sons Shem (shem – personal name and proper designation), Ham (ham – sweltering hot and father-in-law), and Yepet (yepet – errantly transliterated Japheth).” (Genesis 5:32) It’s possible Moses wrote “50” rather than 500.
With this in mind, the highly flawed 15th century CE Masoretic literally reads: “And (wa) Noah (noah) son (ben) six (shesh) hundreds (me’ah) repetitions (sanah – years, repeats, and changes) and (wa) the (ha) flood (mabbuwl) existed (hayah – was, is, will be, happened, and occurred) waters (mayim) on (‘al) the (ha) land (‘erets).” (Genesis 7:6) Fortunately, we know that me’ah/hundred was a product of Babylonian Rabbinical interpretation. They may have been right, but it’s hard to explain the inclusion of ben/son in the passage unless it is indicative of Shem, Ham, and Yepet being married and childless at say, sixty, not six hundred, at the time of the flood.

If we were to remove ben/son from the text and replace it with hayah, “existed or lived,” in that this is the term used in every other account of this type, the inference would be that Noah was 600 years old when the flood began.

That means we have two ways to look at the numbers. If Noah had been 50 when his sons were born, and if they had been no more than 60 years old when the flood began, we would be able to add 110 years to the previous totals, rather than a full 600 years. Using the 868 sum we surmised earlier as our base, by adding 110, we come within 22 years of 1,000 for the inception of the flood after the fall.

The second way to look at the numbers is to add 600 years to the previous totals. That being the case, the Masoretic suggests that the flood occurred 1,656 years after Adam’s inception, or perhaps 1,556 years after his fall from grace. But keep in mind that we need to make a 600 to 620 year adjustment to this side of the ledger to square the Masoretic with the much older Scriptural sources, history, and archeology. And from this perspective, no matter which value you select, you come within shouting distance of a millennial marker.

That said, keep in mind that one thousand year intervals, or 20 Yowbel periods ((20)(7x7+1=50)), don’t appear particularly meaningful to God. They serve as confirmation dates, not fulfillment dates. The flood is a confirmation of Yahweh’s plan of salvation, not an enactment of it. Forty, not twenty, is the Scriptural number of completion. This theme is repeated throughout the Word, starting with it raining for forty days and forty nights during the flood.
Forty Yowbel (better known as Jubilee) periods, or 2,000-year increments, underscore Scripture’s three most important events: the confirmation of the Covenant with Abraham on Mowriyah, Yahushua’s Sacrifice fulfilling the Covenant on Mowriyah, and the Messiyah’s return to Mowriyah to save those who embraced the Covenant. The first two events occurred on 1968 BCE and in 33 CE, and the last will occur in 2033.

I would have preferred clear and irrefutable Scriptural evidence that the flood served as the first millennial marker for many reasons. And while it very well might be, we may have to consider the “rapture” of Enoch and the birth of Noah as potential candidates. And so that you know, the other confirming events which marked the odd numbered millennia included laying the foundation of the first Temple in 968 BCE on Mount Mowriyah and the poisoning of the water under Mowriyah in 1033 CE in accordance with the Numbers 5 divorce decree.

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As we open the sixth chapter, bible translators ignore hayah, render kiy “when” rather than indeed, and then pass over halal as if it were not there to get: “When man began to multiply…” While that may be what happened, the text actually says: “Indeed (kiy), it came to pass (hayah) that mankind (‘adam) defiled and profaned (halal – treated with contempt and desecrated, dishonored, polluted, wounded, and invalidated) the face (paneh) of the earth (‘adamah – land, ground, and soil). And increasingly (rabab – a great quantity of) daughters (bat – female offspring) were born (yalad) to them.” (Genesis 6:1)

Halal is important because it reveals who was responsible for this fallen state. Halal is Satan’s first name. Chawah wasn’t the only person he beguiled.

To better appreciate Satan’s influence on man and the earth, let’s strip halal’s English synonyms of their religiosity. That way we will better understand who Satan is and what he wants to accomplish. To defile is “to trample down and make unclean and impure.” It is “to corrupt that which was good, sullying, dishonoring, and contaminating it.” Since this is what Satan did to Adam and Chawah, it suggests that the Adversary has a limited arsenal of tricks.

To profane is “to abuse something sacred, to treat something good with irreverence and contempt.” It is to “debase, make unworthy, and vulgar.” And to desecrate is “to violate the sanctity of something which was once good.” It means “to treat disrespectfully and irreverently.” There is nothing more sacred to God than a loving relationship. Jealous of the attention man was receiving from Yah in this regard, Halal sought to debase it, making that which was beautiful, vulgar.

To treat with contempt is “to despise and distain.” Contempt stems from “a lack of respect or reverence.” Contempt is “willful disobedience.” Knowing Yah, trusting Yah, relying upon and loving Yah are predicated upon respect and reverence. It is why Satan despised these things. It is what led to his willful act of disobedience. It is what caused Yahweh to treat Halal with contempt, and curse him. It is why Halal’s little helpers altered Scripture’s meaning to infer that we are to “fear,” not “revere,” God.

At this point Yah makes a distinction between two types of humans. And while He doesn’t say so here, His conclusion of the flood story makes it obvious that there were people with and without a nesamah/conscience. Some people were simply animals. Perhaps some still are…
“The sons (ben – male descendants and children) of the Mighty One (‘elohym – God) saw (ra’ah – viewed and found) that the daughters (bat – female children) of men (‘adam) were really (kiy) beautiful (towb – attractive and good, pleasurable and fun, even productive). So now they (henah) took (laqah – grasp hold of, received, and obtained) any (kol) of them they chose and desired (bahar – preferred and selected) as their women and wives (nasiym – plural of ‘issah).” (Genesis 6:2)

In that Yahweh created Adam in His image, blowing His nesamah/conscience into him, it is reasonable to consider his descendants as “sons of God.” The daughters of men would represent the other Homo sapiens who were roaming around east of Eden. And the reason that the nesamah-equipped humans were able to have any woman they wanted was because of the overwhelming advantage judgment, discernment, and reason gave them over lesser-equipped people.

Profaning His creation, treating it with contempt, multiple wives, and living outside His family model, was not the course Yah had plotted. As such: “Yahuweh said (‘amar – promised), ‘My Spirit (ruwach – a feminine noun depicting the power, influence, and life-giving nature of God) will not (lo’) remain in, or contend and plead with (duwn ba – abide, dwell, and live in, direct or vindicate) mankind (‘adam) for an unlimited duration of time (‘olam – forever). Also as a result of (sa gam) him being flesh (basar – existing as a human), his days shall be 120 years.” (Genesis 6:3)

Prior to the flood, the water vapor shield which Yah spoke about in Genesis 2:6, would have precluded the sun’s most damaging rays from eroding the elasticity of our cells. This would have enabled them to renew themselves at a faster rate for a much longer period of time. This combined with a less disease ridden and corrupted gene pool, would have enabled the perfectly designed humans who emerged from the garden to live a very long time. But that was all about to end. True to his word, from this time forward, 120 years has become the maximum extent of a human life.

That number is also important prophetically. Yahweh will go on to say that the generation which experiences the holocaust (Psalm 102) will be the last generation. And in Matthew 24, He says that those who experience the return of Israel to the land will also witness His return. So the most you can add to 1932 through 1948 is 120 years, and even then that’s stretching it. Reason tells us that we are looking at the millennial marker of 2033, which is exactly 40 Yowbel from Yahushua’s sacrifice.

The next verse in Genesis is almost always translated to infer that “giants were living on the earth.” I can only assume that the Latin scholars who did so, missed the religious connotations and assumed that physical prowess would be the only reason to mention such people. “The Napylym (naphylym – plural of naphal, meaning those who prostrate themselves, who have fallen away, who are oppressed, cast down, and die) existed (hayah) in the (ba ha) land (‘erets – region) in that day (yowm – time), and also (gam) afterward (‘ahar – at a later time).” (Genesis 6:4)

From the beginning, Satan’s religions have all had three things in common. His victims bow down, prostrating themselves to a false god. As a result of having fallen away from Yahweh, they become victimized by religion and are oppressed in this life and cast down in the next.
Today (read ‘ahar/at a later time), the people best known for their repetitive prostrates are Muslims. That’s significant because Naphysh was also the second to last son of Ishmael, Islam’s patriarch. And as you might suspect, the Naphysh were an “Arabian tribe.” That is to say that Islam, the Arabic word for “submission,” isn’t new. Satan has been corrupting men for a long time. His favorite strategy remains to present himself as God. It is the essence of the terrorist chant of “Allahu Akbar!” Allah is the Greatest!—or so he wants fallen man to believe.

“And indeed, relationally (‘asher) the sons of God came to and pursued (bow’ – were included in association with) the daughters of man, and they bore children to them. These men (‘ish – male individuals) were renown for (shem – named and famous for, earned a reputation for) magnifying themselves, going off to war, and behaving like arrogant tyrants (gibowr – acting like audacious and aggressive fighters as well as powerful despots) from the very beginning (‘olam – and for a very long time).” (Genesis 6:4) In this passage, Yahweh has transitioned from calling men ‘adam to ‘ish because He is now viewing them differently.

In Genesis 10:8, we are told that the father of politicized religion, of human self aggrandizement, Nimrod, was a gibowr, so it’s not a compliment. Arrogant, self aggrandizing men have used a caustic blend of religion and politics to start wars and set themselves up as tyrannical despots for a very, very, long time. It is the hallmark of human behavior—the thing we are best known for. If I were asked to consolidate human history into a single word, it would be gibowr—the story of men magnifying themselves, going off to war, and behaving like arrogant tyrants.

“Yahuweh saw (ra’ah – viewed, recognized, and considered) that indeed (kiy – truly), the evil intent, wickedness, and depravity (ra’at – deprivation, distress, and misfortune) of mankind (‘adam) in the (ba ha) land (‘erets) was great in magnitude and quantity (rab – prolific and abundant). And his every (kol) inclination (yeser – motivation, desire, ambition, and creative idea) of his heart (leb) and thought (mahasabah – plan, plot, purpose, and scheme) were bad (ra’ – evil, wicked, immoral, repugnant, miserable, sad, troubled, and fiercely harmful) all (kol) the time (yowm – every day).” (Genesis 6:5) It only takes a spark to get a fire raging, and all too suddenly, every good thing is consumed in it. By this time, man had used his nesamah so poorly, creation had been for naught.

Naham, in the following verse, is one of those words which the context of the sentence is required to properly convey the meaning. It can depict “being consoled and encouraged after finding relief from sorrow and distress.” But, it can also infer “to reconsider, changing one’s opinion, leading to sorrow, to being sorry, to suffering grief and experiencing regret.” Based upon the situation which has developed, and upon the subsequent use of ‘atsab in the text, conveying, “pain and distress,” the meaning is clear. “Then Yahuweh truly (kiy) grieved, regretting (naham) that He had made (‘asah – fashioned and created) Adam (‘adam – mankind) along with the earth (‘erets). His heart (leb – inner person, source of life, and spirit) was emotionally distressed, filled with grief and sorrow (‘atsab – was hurt, pained, vexed, displeased, and tormented).” (Genesis 6:6)

God can and does experience regret. That’s important because it demonstrates that we are not victimized by predestination. The future is not predetermined. We choose our fate, and that means we can and do choose poorly.

The fact God experiences grief tells us that for Him, love and relationships are very real. Life is not a game. But more than anything, this passage reveals that Yahweh is engaged, that He cares deeply and personally about the souls He has created. He wants us to know Him, to choose to be with Him, and to love Him.

There are two, vastly different ways to render Genesis 6:7 because min means “from and because,” and the Hebrew word ‘al can be translated “mighty one,” “on,” “continuously,” “prey upon, or “forever.” Most English translations render it as “to” and then suggest that “the Lord” wants “to blot out…animals, creeping things, and birds” in addition to “man.” Since that doesn’t make sense, I’ve chosen “because” for min and “continuously preyed upon” as the most rational rendering of ‘al in this context.

None of this means that I’m smarter, more scholastic, or a better linguist than other translators, because I’m not. But given the choice between rational and irrational, between consistent and inconsistent, I have elected to render the Word in the manner which makes the most sense in context, being true to the terms God...

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Offline shohn  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2007 6:42:53 PM(UTC)
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The original Torah autograph was written using the first alphabet known to man, paleo Hebrew.

Is there a source or reasoning behind this statement?
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#3 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2007 11:39:07 PM(UTC)
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Wow!! I just glanced through which for me does not mean anything. What actually happened is that I was on a site - the true history of atlantis - and I thought I should just remind Yada of it seeing that he is already busy with this exciting new chapter. For all I know he is well aware of the contents of that site. http://www.atlan.org/articles/true_history/
Yah bless you!!
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#4 Posted : Friday, September 7, 2007 3:36:54 AM(UTC)
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OK, I have had time to read it. What can I say? Wow!!! I am goosebumps all over. This is surely one of the most blessed chapters I have read. Especially now that we will be having our Trumpet feast!! as well. May be? May be 2009 when it falls on a Shabbat as Ken says in his TOM?
Yada, I have nothing to add. It was such a blessing that I took the liberty to forward it to a friend of mine whom I have pressurized into at least reading the first 3 chapters of Yadayahweh. The Set Apart Spirit is diligently working in these last days.
May Yah makes His face to shine upon you.
Blessed Shabbat!!
Koos
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#5 Posted : Friday, September 7, 2007 9:50:30 PM(UTC)
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Grammatical errors fixed:

"The other sums would total: 760 to 768, 860 to 868, and 960 to 968, with the largest possible number being 1,060 to 1,068 years between Adam’s fall and Noah’s ascent."

"To treat with contempt is “to despise and disdain.”

"This passage is one of many which helps to explain why numbers which are important to Yah."

"Its Akkadian root suggests that the term conveys “a descendant,” a “blood relative,” or someone who is [space inserted] “near of kin.”"

"But, and there is always a “but” when it comes to choice, man can use his nesamah to choose the wrong spirit—which is what those who were drowned had done."

The one thing I fail to understand, being the complete simpleton that I am, is why the word 'adam, instead of ish, is used to make a distinction between humans with a conscience and humans who are basically animals. It's not something worth dwelling on as it bears no significant importance, but I'd appreciate an explanation.

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#6 Posted : Saturday, September 8, 2007 4:11:47 AM(UTC)
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Just watched some fun last night on the History channel. A scientist had a theory about the various flood accounts across the globe and compiled a geographically based analysis and presumably some sort of dating analysis and arrived at 2807 BCE for the flood, which is 160 years off from one of the year's listed in one of the other YY chapters for the flood. The theory was based on a comet hitting the earth in the Indian ocean. His timing analysis would probably add an interesting point to the discussion since it is fairly close to the 2967 BCE date listed in one of the other chapters.

As an aside, something else to consider regarding the Genesis creation account is the scientific speculation around the answer to this question "Where did the large amount of water on Earth come from?". As I understand it, many scientists hold that the water came from a kajillion icy comets hitting the earth awhile back, but there are many dissenting views on this.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, September 8, 2007 6:25:40 AM(UTC)
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Nice piece of research, Yada. One misquoted stat: "Of significant relevance, the Black Sea is the world’s largest inland body of water, encompassing 178 square miles." According to Wikipedia, "The Black Sea has an area of 436,400 km² (168,495 sq mi)."

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#8 Posted : Saturday, September 8, 2007 7:35:51 AM(UTC)
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I am back with some thoughts that suddenly dawned upon me and which made me sit up straight with my hair standing up right!!
Adam and Chavah were the first two people with nesamah created in a world that already existed with numerous civilizations. Their (Adam’s) fall was about 3968 BC.
I came across a book “Vanished Civilisations” (Readers Digest) which mentions numerous such long gone societies.
You, Yada, Ken, and the rest of the yada team, must have known that there existed earlier civilizations like Ur (Abraham), Elan (4000BC) Harappa (4000BC) Pakistan to only mention a few and some other societies even much older before Adam’s time.
These cities were civilized and modern. Harappa for instance was highly advanced regarding their town planning schemes – “comprehensive system of water drainage following the routes of the streets, settling wells, man-holes, brick gutters and draining wells. People were fastidious about personal hygiene. Homes had bathrooms and some times brick lavatories which were built on the ground floor and connected to the municipal sewage system by a sophisticated series of chutes and drains.”
And just think that some of our parents/grand parents did not even have a bathroom or toilet in their homes in these modern eras!! I remember having to go to the “longdrop” outside the main house on the farm when we were still kids!!
They even unearthed evidence of a well advanced language and literature culture in most of these societies.
Elan – an advanced biblical city, where writing and literature was in the order of the day 4000 BC.
It is no wonder that the bible version of Genesis is ignored – homo sapiens have existed long before Adam and Chavah were created with neshamah. There were much older and very advanced societies outside of the garden of Eden – and then you get headings like the following by theologians writing about Cain “Where did Cain get his wife?” Can you believe that we have been so gullible, so stupid/dumb? That’s what we were taught in Sunday school – that Adam and Eve were the first people!! I want to swear!!! as Ken puts it somewhere in TOM.
And even during the deluge of Noah, the civilizations around him must have been extremely advanced – the wheel having been invented many hundreds of thousands of years before. Noah’s ark was a “modern” technical invention!! And I always used to think of those humans as being illiterate and backward. I feel humbled and shamed as I realize now that they were actually very highly advanced. I wonder whether I would have fit in among them.
And Yada mentioned that the mark God put on Cain was a symbol of language that existed at that time. We should then be able to state emphatically that there were therefore thousands, may be millions, of other people, homo sapiens, without nesamah spread all over the “world” of Cain. (Some-one estimated that about 20 million people died when Atlantis was submerged beneath the ocean – that was well before Adam’s time).
All though they did not possess a nesamah (before Adam and Chavah) there is hard archaeological evidence of religious and sacrificial offerings by the people in those societies which to me implies that those people must have felt a need for and towards a deity in their after life – even though they were only living mortal souls.
In spite of contradictory opinion I then feel that there are people today who exist who do not have a neshamah.
But then I ask without expecting an answer – “God so loved the world ….” What about those early homo sapiens and homo sapiens of to day who are with out a neshamah? They are unable to “connect” to the Creator God Yahuweh/Yahushua???!!!
Listen, please correct me if I am making unfounded assumptions.
Koos
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#9 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2007 3:39:20 AM(UTC)
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The term 'Giants' in chapter 6 seems to have become a circular understanding of the word 'nephilim', The Hebrew scholars who translated the LXX texts must have been casting around in the Greek for something that described 'abnormal' humans and hit on 'giants'.

There is a supernatural air surrounding nephilim which seems to have triggered the problems following Joshua and Caleb returning from Canaan and which provoked YHWH to advocate the slaughter of the inhabitants of Canaan, and commanding Saul to kill the Amalekites. We subsequently have David ordering the death of anybody taller than the length of cord (2 Sam 8) - YHWH does not seem to like unnaturally tall people - (Goliath?).

The book of Enoch sees the 'sons of Gods' (possibly gods) as fallen angels and thus the word would link with the demi-gods of Greek legends, with their super human powers. (The only legitimacy of Enoch being that Jude quotes from it.)
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#10 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2007 7:55:08 AM(UTC)
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AWESOME!!! I love this chapter, and doing as you requested here are a few typo's I found...

From the word document-
Keep it in mind as we mover forward. (top pg17)
As such it makes more sense to render it “His” than to ignore it as all English translations are wont to do, (bottom of pg26)


The one thing I loved about this as I was reading it was the idea of faimly, and praying for your family. I used to be a part of a group that would pray for the lost of the city I lived in, and not that it was bad but my heart was never really in it, my heart as it does today still breaks over the fact my family is not walking with Yah. I love the fact that our call is not to worry about the community but through relationship with Yah we are suppose to ask for our family unit! Awesome!!!
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#11 Posted : Sunday, September 9, 2007 3:43:22 PM(UTC)
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I found the list below from Chuck Missler's site: http://www.khouse.org/do...0597/session1/sld048.htm

Adam Man
Seth Appointed
Enosh Mortal
Kenan Sorrow
Mahalalel The Blessed God
Jared Shall Come Down
Enoch Teaching
Methusaleh His Death Shall Bring
Lamech The Despairing
Noah Comfort, Rest

This might make an interesting contribution to the Genesis genealogical discussions.
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#12 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2007 9:19:44 AM(UTC)
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Thanks: 3 times
Thank you for yet another extrodinary chapter. This has been very helpful in addressing long standing questions I've had. I realize I'll need to re-read and ponder this chapter (like the others) several more times before I feel I've well understood it.

I see others have commented on the editing. I'll see if I can find others. In the meanwhile I have a few questions.

Will the generations after Noah especially Nimord and the Tower of Babel be addressed in this or future chapters. It seems needed to me to set the stage for the world and state of relations between Yahweh and Job or Abraham. What was the nature of the confusion of languages, the desendants of Noah to their non-nesamahed neighbors? I realize that Nimrod and religious Babylon have been detailed elsewhere to some degree, but would be interested in the context of this Genesis account.

I'm also having some trouble following the water. That is, it seems additional water would've been contained in the water vapor canopy before the flood. That the Black sea was once much smaller/shallower and fresh water with ancient civilizations living along it's shores. I saw a TV special several months ago that detailed the Ballard exploration and there saw an animation of a shallower Black sea being flooded from sea water in the Mediteranean Sea bursting thru the Bosphorous straights and this described as "Noah's flood".

I'm still trying to find a good topigraphical map of the region this chapter describes as being flooded. If it is indeed an inland basin around lake Van then I can see where standing flood waters could/would remain inland for several months. If it is also decribing the entire Black Sea basin that would require vastly more water and leaves an exit point for the waters to receed, the same Bosphorus straight, no? Am I missing something?

If I read it correctly the waters would need to cover both areas at the same time. That is flood waters remaining for an extended time in the area of eastern Turkey around lake Van and the now enlarged Black Sea. What confuses me is I thought the elevation of Wyatt's Ark discovery was about 6,000 feet above (current) sea level? Could it be that the two areas where flooded at the same time but at different/seperated flood levels? That is the Black Sea elevelated to near it's current level at the same time as or from receeding trapped flood waters from inland Turkey where Wyatt's ark discovery was made?

Either way it seems something extrodinary occured that casued the climate to dramatically shift from the global temperate region we read about in the Eden chapter to ice caps flash freezing artic regions and altering sea levels (at least inland). Possibly the dropping of a water vapor canopy in the flood?

I've encountered arguements for and against such a canopy and still don't have a conslusive answer to share with skeptics. If anyone knows a good source please let me know.

I also was amused to see a new (to me) Discovery Channel flood special last night that only spoke of the glaciers on Mount Ararat, not mentioning the Wyatt discovery at all, then discounting the Biblical account (described as being composed during the Babylonian captivity) in favor of the ancient Bablyonian flood accounts. Sigh.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:09:25 AM(UTC)
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I have another question on a section of the chapter. That is the use of Adam as opposed to ish for the daughters of man. Here is the section in question:

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At this point Yah makes a distinction between two types of humans. And while He doesn’t say so here, His conclusion of the flood story makes it obvious that there were people with and without a nesamah/conscience. Some people were simply animals. Perhaps some still are…
“The sons (ben – male descendants and children) of the Mighty One (‘elohym – God) saw (ra’ah – viewed and found) that the daughters (bat – female children) of men (‘adam) were really (kiy) beautiful (towb – attractive and good, pleasurable and fun, even productive). So now they (henah) took (laqah – grasp hold of, received, and obtained) any (kol) of them they chose and desired (bahar – preferred and selected) as their women and wives (nasiym – plural of ‘issah).” (Genesis 6:2)

In that Yahweh created Adam in His image, blowing His nesamah/conscience into him, it is reasonable to consider his descendants as “sons of God.” The daughters of men would represent the other Homo sapiens who were roaming around east of Eden. And the reason that the nesamah-equipped humans were able to have any woman they wanted was because of the overwhelming advantage judgment, discernment, and reason gave them over lesser-equipped people.


I understand that nesamah equipped male descendants Yahuweh 'elohym can reasonably be called "sons of 'elohym", however, I'm surprised by the descriptions as the daughters of the non-nesamah equipped humanoids (not descended from Adam) described as being bat/daughters of men/adam rather than ish/men as I thought adam/mankind refered to humans descended from Adam and Chawah, while ish/mankind referred to humanoids generically and would more acurately describe humanoids not descended from Adam. Are the daughters in question those not decended from Adam and Chawah?
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:35:29 AM(UTC)
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I received insightful comments to the questions I asked about this chapter from Yada via a PM from Yada, that I believe I'm approved to share with you here:

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Here is Yada's response to you:

I’ll answer Theophilus’ letter in this one. Please share my thoughts with him.

To quote:

"Thank you for yet another extrodinary chapter. This has been very helpful in addressing long standing questions I've had. I realize I'll need to re-read and ponder this chapter (like the others) several more times before I feel I've well understood it.

I see others have commented on the editing. I'll see if I can find others. In the meanwhile I have a few questions.

Will the generations after Noah especially Nimord and the Tower of Babel be addressed in this or future chapters. It seems needed to me to set the stage for the world and state of relations between Yahweh and Job or Abraham. What was the nature of the confusion of languages, the desendants of Noah to their non-nesamahed neighbors? I realize that Nimrod and religious Babylon have been detailed elsewhere to some degree, but would be interested in the context of this Genesis account.

I covered this quickly in POD. I was not planning to do a chapter on Nimrod because there isn’t enough Scriptural evidence. I would however, like to write a book dedicated to the story of religion which would focus on Nimrod and Babylon. As for Job, my hope is to create a YY volume dedicated to it. But that’s a long ways off.

I'm also having some trouble following the water. That is, it seems additional water would've been contained in the water vapor canopy before the flood. That the Black sea was once much smaller/shallower and fresh water with ancient civilizations living along it's shores. I saw a TV special several months ago that detailed the Ballard exploration and there saw an animation of a shallower Black sea being flooded from sea water in the Mediteranean Sea bursting thru the Bosphorous straights and this described as "Noah's flood".

A water vapor canopy would be incapable of flooding the earth more than a four or five feet, not 29,000 feet.

I did not see the History Channel’s presentation and wouldn’t have watched it if I had known when it was on. The HC used to be my favorite station, but I’ve come to discover that most of what they report isn’t accurate.

Ballard errantly guessed that the Mediterranean was responsible for flooding the Black Sea and turning it to salt. As an atheist working for the NGS, it couldn’t be God. If he had been aware of the Indian Ocean asteroid impact, he probably would have offered it as the reason.


I'm still trying to find a good topigraphical map of the region this chapter describes as being flooded. If it is indeed an inland basin around lake Van then I can see where standing flood waters could/would remain inland for several months. If it is also decribing the entire Black Sea basin that would require vastly more water and leaves an exit point for the waters to receed, the same Bosphorus straight, no? Am I missing something?

This is a volcanic region so even with a topographical map, we cannot be certain of the scale and location of the ranges circa 3000 BCE. The Black Sea is the watershed for most of Europe and Russia. With 40 days of unending rain, and in the aftermath of a massive asteroid strike, the fact it is a watershed would cause the BS basin to be a source of water rather than an outlet. And it wouldn’t take much to bottle up the Bosporus.

If I read it correctly the waters would need to cover both areas at the same time. That is flood waters remaining for an extended time in the area of eastern Turkey around lake Van and the now enlarged Black Sea. What confuses me is I thought the elevation of Wyatt's Ark discovery was about 6,000 feet above (current) sea level? Could it be that the two areas where flooded at the same time but at different/seperated flood levels? That is the Black Sea elevelated to near it's current level at the same time as or from receeding trapped flood waters from inland Turkey where Wyatt's ark discovery was made?

Different levels are possible, even likely, as are different basins. The largest possible basin is the whole Middle East. It would be the shallowest. We know this whole region was flooded. The smallest basin is the area around Lake Van, which includes the mountains where Wyatt found the Ark (fifty miles from LV). It would be the deepest. The intermediate ring would include the Black and Caspian Seas. I did not state in the chapter that the water levels could and probably would vary as the three basins grew larger. I’ll add this.

Either way it seems something extrodinary occured that casued the climate to dramatically shift from the global temperate region we read about in the Eden chapter to ice caps flash freezing artic regions and altering sea levels (at least inland). Possibly the dropping of a water vapor canopy in the flood?

We don’t know if the water vapor canopy covered the whole world, although at various times, it think it did. The asteroid strike would have been responsible for the extraordinary climate change. Yah will do the same thing with Aspinthos/Apophis on Friday, April 13th, 2029.

I've encountered arguements for and against such a canopy and still don't have a conslusive answer to share with skeptics. If anyone knows a good source please let me know.

There is so much evidence of rain erosion on the planet that we need to be careful inferring that this water vapor shield covered the entire planet, at least through 3000 BCE. While I think it once was pervasive, my thinking is that outside of the region in question, it had been raining for some time.

I also was amused to see a new (to me) Discovery Channel flood special last night that only spoke of the glaciers on Mount Ararat, not mentioning the Wyatt discovery at all, then discounting the Biblical account (described as being composed during the Babylonian captivity) in favor of the ancient Bablyonian flood accounts. Sigh."

Like I said, the History Channel is almost always wrong. That isn’t going to change.

Yada


I hope you'll find Yada's comments as helpful to understanding this chapter as I did.

Thank you.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:15:11 AM(UTC)
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I'd like to pass along the following from Yada - thanks everyone.

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Based upon a YY Forum member’s question, and upon further reflection, I’ve added two sections to the Noah chapter. The lead in and exit paragraphs have been retained to reveal the location of these new insights and to provide context for them. The new sections are in red.

The “basin” requirement is also met. The Taurus Mountains enclose this region to the southwest, south, southeast, and east. The Pontic Range dominates the northeast. The imposing Caucasus Mountains lie due north of the region. That means that the only potential opening in the area defined as “east of Eden” is the Black Sea—the world’s largest and deepest inland water basin. And as we should have known, the most massive example of regional flooding on earth took place right here.

When we pan out, and look at the whole Middle East, we find an even larger basin, one with the Black Sea as the northern perimeter and Mesopotamia (the land between the Tigris and Euphrates) at its heart. A range of mountains extends from central Turkey down through western Syria and Jordan, along the eastern border of Israel. It continues down the whole western shore of Saudi Arabia. This range turns east along the southern edge of the Arabian Peninsula, dipping down only at the Strait of Hormuz. The elevated terrain travels northeastward through Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan prior to reaching the Himalayas, known as the roof of the world. From there, the Elburz Mountains flank the southern side of the Caspian Sea before turning north and joining the Caucasus and Taurus ranges.

The only gap in the elevated perimeter of this gigantic basin, known as the Middle East, is the narrow channel separating the Persian Gulf from the Gulf of Oman. And that’s intriguing because in 2005, scientists (Dallas Abbot and Dee Breger) found proof that a massive meteor or asteroid struck the Indian Ocean (900 miles southeast of Madagascar). This crater, named Burckle, has been dated to the lifetime of Noah. It was initially thought to have occurred between four and five thousand years ago, but that timeline has since been revised to “around 2800 BCE.” The impact left a crater 18 miles in diameter, 12,000 feet below the surface of the sea. The asteroid or comet created a tsunami that raced inland toward the Persian Gulf and up through Mesopotamia, nearly reaching the Mediterranean. While the height and speed of this wall of water is hard to estimate, scientists like Ted Bryant, conducting research on the Burckle crater say that “the huge waves were beyond our imagination,” “many magnitudes larger than any tsunami experienced in the modern world.” He said, “End-of-the-world movies do not capture the size of these waves.” Others have said: “If an event of this magnitude were to happen today, it would kill a quarter of the earth’s inhabitants.”

So it is possible that these waves would not only have massively contributed to the scale of the flood, the roar of encroaching and retreating waters could be the reason for inclination we now see in the mountains at the Strait of Hormuz. This explains why archaeologist Leonard Woolley found 30 feet of flood-deposited sediment above the oldest levels of Ur in Sumer, located at the time near the mouth of the Euphrates River. It would also explain the sudden change at that time from fresh water to salt in the Black Sea as well as the sudden 500 foot rise in sea level at that same time.

Further, it is interesting that an asteroid impact of this scale would eject enormous quantities of water vapor into the air, causing a prolonged rain—say of forty days and forty nights. And it would knock so much debris into the atmosphere that it would trigger what’s called a “nuclear winter,” causing much of the precipitation which resulted to start off as a warm rain which would transition to snow over time. Moreover, the tremendous amounts of fresh water from rain and snow would serve to leech all but the deepest basins (read Lake Van, Lake Urmia, and the Black and Caspian Seas) of salt, allowing plants to thrive soon after the waves of ocean water retreated through the narrow channel in the Persian Gulf. And with the rain continuing, recognizing that the Black Sea is the watershed for much of Europe and Russia, there would have been ample water to replace that which was now spilling out through the Straits of Hormuz—the only floodgate in this entire Middle East basin.

Keep in mind that this passage isn’t the only one in which Yahweh suggests that He will use an asteroid to do His bidding. In the 8th chapter of Revelation, God says that He will nudge an asteroid He is calling “Apinthos” from its orbit so that it will collide with the Earth. Scientists are calling what I believe to be the same asteroid “Apophis 2004 MN4.” But they are unaware of Yah’s prophecy, and therefore expect it to miss our planet by a distance of 15,000 miles, or by less than a tenth of the distance to the moon (projecting it to be the closest “near miss” of an earth altering event during the modern era). From what I can tell, Apophis is of similar size to the asteroid which formed the Burckle crater, sporting a diameter of a quarter mile. In the “Erchomai – Comings and Goings” chapter, you will discover that Apinthos/Apophis is scheduled to arrive on Friday, April 13th, 2029—at the end of the Magog War, or about twenty-nine months into the Tribulation. So, if I were you, I’d make plans now to ship out of harms way, joining other members of Yah’s family in the Taruw’ah harvest known as the rapture.

With this asteroid concept in mind, let’s consider once again what God said was going to happen: “in that day, a great magnitude and quantity of (rab) deep ocean water (tahowm) and all underground springs (ma’yan – subterranean cisterns) will burst up and gush forth (baqa’), and the floodgates (‘arubah) of the skies (samayim – heavens or atmosphere) were opened (patah – freed and released).”

A massive asteroid impact in the ocean is the only event capable of incorporating all of tahowm’s etymological meaning: “deep sea water roaring up from the depths in overwhelming quantities and force, creating wave upon wave without intermission.” The shockwaves from such and impact would tend to free underground stores of water, breaking them loose. And as we know from our meteorological modeling, the asteroid strike would release the floodgates of heaven, causing torrential rains which would be followed by a massive accumulation of snow.

So convinced he was that this asteroid was the cause of the flood depicted in the bible, a scientist commenting upon the History Channel’s presentation of the events related to the Burckle crater, said: “We no longer need God to explain the multiple flood legends.” To which Yahweh said, “Thinking themselves wise, they became fools.” (You will find God’s unabridged response at the end of this chapter.)

Nearly four thousand years before man figured out what happened, Yahweh provided written documentation of when, where, why, and how the flood occurred, including specific details which wouldn’t be completely understood for millennia. And when every last aspect of what He revealed was confirmed correct, man, rather than pointing a finger toward God, poked Him in the eye.

And let us not forget the neighboring Caspian Sea. It is considered to be the world’s largest inland body of water without an outlet. It runs 750 miles north and south and 250 miles laterally southeast of the area we are discussing. Its surface is 100 feet below sea level, and its depths plunge 550 feet below that. This 143 square mile saltwater ocean is bordered by the Elburz and Caucasus Mountains.

After examining the evidence, both Scriptural and scientific, I think Yahweh triggered the flood with an asteroid. Its impact would have caused catastrophic flooding, with monstrous tsunami waves roaring up the mouths of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, all the way up to their headwaters near Lake Van—instantly killing everything in their wake. The impact could well have loosened underground cisterns of water, exacerbating the problem. The heat generated from the initial blast would have melted mountainous icepacks in the region, and generated massive mudflows. Then there would have been torrential rains, not just in the area but around the globe, as a direct result of water and debris being hurled into the atmosphere. Eventually, these rains would turn to snow, especially in the higher elevations. Every place on earth would have been deluged to one extent or another.

Therefore, I think that the flood was a global event which was focused on the region surrounding Lake Van. At its epicenter, the flood waters were the deepest and prevailed the longest—for 150 days at a depth of 4,000 cubits (just shy of 7,000 feet).

Moving outward toward the Black and Caspian Seas, the damage was considerable, albeit diminished. The waters may have risen by as much as 1,000 feet and may have retained that level for four to six months. The heavy and continuous downpour triggered by the asteroid strike would have made this possible, especially since these massive basins serve as the watershed for much of Europe and Russia.

The whole Middle Eastern basin would have been influenced by this event coming and going. Mesopotamia was the first land mass submerged by the 600 to 900 foot walls of water emanating from the asteroid’s plunge into the sea. With the Tigris and Euphrates providing drainage for the epicenter of the flood, the consequence of this cataclysmic event would have been experienced for several months within this larger basin. But the waters would not have been as deep or endured as long.

While it is clear that the world’s climate would have been altered for a month or so by an asteroid strike of this magnitude, it’s hard to quantify the amount of additional rain which would have fallen. But we can surmise that snow packs would have melted initially, causing massive floods, and that the initial rains which followed the impact would have been torrential.

So in conclusion, we know with absolute certainty that a flood of Genesis proportions occurred where and when God said it did. There were early civilizations exactly where He said they would be. And the topography uniquely facilitated the event Yahweh described. Evidence and Scripture are in complete agreement because Yahweh was telling the truth.

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#16 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:22:13 AM(UTC)
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One final comment from Yada. I have also attached the chapter as a Word Document.

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I forgot to add a thought to the Noah chapter JP and I had kicked around. The revised chapter with typos cleaned up, and with all three additions is attached.

Therefore, I think that the flood was a global event which was focused on the region surrounding Lake Van. At its epicenter, the flood waters were the deepest and prevailed the longest—for 150 days at a depth of 4,000 cubits (just shy of 7,000 feet). That said, I have no way of knowing if the volcanic ranges, as they appeared at the time, would have retained this depth of water, or if Yahweh preformed a miracle akin to parting the Red Sea’s Gulf of Aqaba during the Exodus. While the underwater land-bridge at the Israelis’ most likely crossing site only requires holding back two, one thousand-foot-deep-walls of water for twenty miles, the gulf plummets to 5,000 feet deep on either side. So since the Exodus was similar to the deluge in that it saved one group of people while drowning another, and since it was miraculously performed, there is no reason to rule out Godly intervention with regard to water management in Noah’s case.

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#17 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:46:23 PM(UTC)
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I just wondered if anyone knew or had figured out how long it actually took Noah and his sons to actually construct the ark?

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#18 Posted : Sunday, September 16, 2007 10:50:51 PM(UTC)
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These are some additional comments from Yada that I want to pass on:

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I finished the forum review of Noah. I addressed every issue raised therein except proving that Hebrew was the first alphabet and differentiating between ‘ish and ‘adam. While a review of both would be interesting, the chapter is already too long to engage in these subjects.

Please thank everyone for their contributions and encouragement.

The sections which were highlighted in the earlier letter I sent you today encapsulated the most significant changes or additions to Noah. They were mostly an expansion on an earlier forum email you sent me regarding the potential basins of water.

The attached version is now ready for posting on the YY site.

So that it is convenient, here is what I sent you earlier today. You may want to post it so that those who have already read the chapter, don’t have to read it again.

I added a section on the Ark’s modern dimensions and also significantly edited the sections related to the realm of the flood and the asteroid’s influence in it. All of these revisions are pasted below and highlighted in red.

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Yahweh is consistent. Whether it’s the Ark or His plan and timeline for salvation, God provides us with a comprehensive explanation. Every detail is relevant, appropriate, pertinent, instructive, and productive. “These (zeh) are her (‘et) production (‘asah – manufacturing) relationships (‘asher): the Ark’s (tebah – ship’s) length (‘orek) 300 cubits (‘amah – the length of a forearm from the tip of the hand to the elbow), her width (rohab) 50 cubits, and her height (qomah) 30 cubits.” (Genesis 6:15) Using the Royal Egyptian Cubit known to Moshe (20.6 inches versus the future Hebrew cubit at 18 inches), the Ark would be 515 feet long over all, have an 86-foot beam, and be 52-feet high from her keel to the roofline of the deckhouse.

Let’s compare the Ark’s dimensions to the kinds of vessels most similar to it today to see if God’s calculations were sophisticated or primitive. The U.S.S. Nimitz was designed to retrieve, carry, and launch aircraft. It is considered to be one of the most stable and stout ships ever built. The aircraft carrier has an overall length of 1,092 feet and features a beam of 134 feet below a flight deck which is 252 feet wide. The ratio of her length to her average width is therefore 0.17. The Ark’s ratio of length to width is also 0.17, making it look like Yahweh aced His classes at the Naval Academy. In World War Two, the battleship Bismark was the panicle of German engineering. It had a ratio of length to width of 0.16. The world’s largest ship, weighing in at 261,000 tons, is the supertanker Knock Nevis. It was commissioned as the Seawise Giant but ran aground in the shallows of the Straits of Hormuz following an Iraqi Exocet missile strike in 1986. When she was re-floated, she was renamed to distance herself from that stigma. History aside, this pride of Japanese shipbuilding is 1,504 feet long and has a 226 foot beam, providing a ratio of 0.15 to one. The hull of the Knock Nevis is 130 feet tall, with a fully loaded draft of 80 feet. For these measurements to be comparable to those given for the Ark, you would need to add a deckhouse, say with an overall height of around 15 feet. Therefore, ratios of overall height to length are 0.10 for the tanker compared to 0.10 for the Ark. Based upon this evidence, it is safe to say that the Ark’s proportions were four thousand years ahead of her time. And I see this as one of many evidences these words were inspired.

While there is some doubt as to the meaning of the first half of the following message, the remainder is perfectly clear. “In (ba) repetition (sanah – years, changes, and renewals), six (shesh) hundred (me’ah) years (sanah) Noah had lived (hyym). In (ba) the second (seni) month (hodes – time of renewal), in the seventeenth (seba’ ‘asar) day (yowm) of the month, in that day, a great magnitude and quantity of (rab) deep ocean water (tahowm) and all underground springs (ma’yan – subterranean cisterns) burst and gushed forth (baqa’), and the floodgates (‘arubah) of the skies (samayim – heavens or atmosphere) were opened (patah – freed and released).” (Genesis 7:11) Water was coming from every direction. Nothing would have escaped—especially in this region known for its vast basins surrounded by towering volcanic ranges. For most, it would have been over moments after it began.

A search through tahowm’s etymological past tells us that the word is based upon an Akkadian root meaning “deep sea water.” In Hebrew it conveys the idea of “ocean water roaring up from the depths, from the primeval abyss, in overwhelming quantities and force, creating wave upon wave without intermission.” As clearly as words allow, tahowm depicts the result of a massive asteroid impact in the ocean. Deep waters rise up in overwhelming quantities, creating a tsunami event whereby wave after wave of seawater roars inland. Please keep this in mind as we explore what really happened on this fateful day, especially recognizing that Noah and his Ark were landlocked, six hundred miles away from the nearest saltwater sea.

“The waters (mayim) prevailed (gabar – were powerful and influential) to a significant degree, exerting substantial force (ma’od ma’od – abundant in quantity and capacity) on (‘al – over, near, upon, and in proximity to) the land (‘erets – ground and area, region and territory). And (wa) the lofty (gaboah – high and tall, splendorous and majestic) mountains (har – hills) were completely (kol – all and totally) covered and concealed (kasah – obscured and hidden, clothed and veiled, blanketed) there (‘asher – as a marker of relative reference) under (tahat – beneath) the whole (kol) sky (samayim – heavens). Water (mayim) prevailed (gabar – showed itself and confirmed its presence) fifteen (hames ‘esareh) cubits (‘amah – units of 20.5 inches using the Royal Egyptian system) deep on the higher elevations (min la ma’al – from above the higher portions), so as to (wa) hide and veil (kasah – cover and conceal, obscure and adorn, blanketing) the hills (har – mountains and mountain ranges).” (Genesis 7:19-20)

For those who want to believe that ‘erets means “Earth” as in the planet, you are faced with two insurmountable problems in this passage. First, there is no evidence of a massive flood covering the entire Earth, ever, much less occurring between 2400 and 3000 BCE. In fact, there is overwhelming proof to the contrary. And while there are considerable examples of regional floods, and a plethora of accounts regarding them, mean sea level has never been 29,000 feet (give or take a few cubits) higher than it is today.

If there had been a global flood of this proportion, we would find evidence of an enormous saltwater layer in the artic snow pack, but we don’t. We would find evidence of the extinction of all fish, fresh and saltwater varieties, because fresh water would have become too saline and ocean water too fresh for fish in either environment to survive. But there is no such evidence ever, much less within the past 4,000 years. Not only was Noah bereft of an aquarium on his yacht, landlocked six hundred miles from the nearest ocean in eastern Turkey, God didn’t send fish marching his way two by two.

The people who heard and understood ‘erets had no concept whatsoever of “the world,” as we know it, or of “Earth” as in the planet. They understood “land, dirt, ground, soil, territory, region, realm, and area.” Today, we have a world view, and we know that the Earth is a planet, so we are projecting our perspective on ‘erets when we assume that God was speaking of flooding the entire world—the whole Earth.

None of the lexicons which are based upon etymology research and ancient cultures, rather than upon modern translations, even mention “world” as a potential rendering of ‘erets. They all give as its primary meaning “ground.” The secondary connotation is “land.” These are followed by “earth in the sense of a piece of ground [in other words, “soil”].” Listed under the fourth through sixth definitions of ‘erets you will find: “territory, country, regions, districts, and realms.”

The handful of Hebrew dictionaries which include “world” or “earth (without associating it with dirt)” as a potential rendering of ‘erets, , are those dictionaries which worked backwards from modern translations rather than forward through word development in related languages, culture, comparative literature, and time. And even then, “earth” is always rendered in lower case, as a feminine noun, and not as the proper name of the planet. Those who capitalize the “E” in their minds have been deluded into seeing a catastrophic global deluge, with platypuses and kangaroos in the Ark.

Let me give you an example as to how English translations have contributed to this deception. The King James Version, the English Standard Version, and the New American Standard Bible, all render 1 Kings 10:24: “And all the earth sought the presence of Solomon, to hear his wisdom….” The New International Version claims; “The whole world sought audience with Solomon to hear the wisdom….” By errantly rendering ‘erets “earth” or “world,” the most popular bible translations made a mockery of the Word. It would be an exaggeration to say that all those within a five-hundred-mile radius of Jerusalem knew about Solomon’s wisdom, much less that the majority of them sought his presence. And beyond a thousand mile arc from his home, David’s son wasn’t known by anyone. But if kol ‘erets is rendered as “the whole land, region, area, territory, or realm,” it’s reasonable, albeit not precisely accurate.

And that brings us to kol, meaning “all, every, or whole.” God uses the term in Scripture the same way we do in common speech. Of a popular teacher, we may say, “Everyone wants to get into his class,” recognizing that our audience won’t extrapolate that to everyone in the world. By saying: “The whole world loves ice cream,” I’d be making an accurate generalization. So in the Kings passage, God is making the point that Solomon’s wisdom was well known in the area, and that most people there sought an audience with him. The point is, we need to apply some common sense as we consider the use of kol in the flood account as well.

The second problem globalists have with the previous passages is that even if all of the polar ice caps were completely melted (something which has not occurred in the past 4,000 years), even if all of earth’s underground cisterns were opened, and even if all of the moisture was wrung out of the sky, there isn’t sufficient water on the planet for a global flood covering the Rockies, much less the Himalayas. It’s not possible. In fact, with a global flood, there would have been so much humidity in the air and so little photosynthesis, Noah would have suffocated because the air would have become un-breathable.

However, the evidence for a regional flood of “biblical proportions” in the area God was focused upon, between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers and between the Black and Caspian Seas, at the time He has revealed, is confirmed scientifically and archeologically. (More on this in a moment.) So, up to the point God said that “the lofty mountains were completely covered and concealed, clothed, and obscured there under the whole sky, with the water showing itself twenty-six feet above, hiding and veiling the hills” we were on solid ground with a regional catastrophe. But how does one contain water so that it rises above the mountains without it spilling out somewhere else?

The answer is: snow on the mountains and basins to hold the water below. After forty days of continuous rain, nearly twenty-six feet of snow would be expected on the upper regions of the lofty volcanic ranges surrounding this area. And snow fits the description of “hiding, covering, concealing, veiling, clothing, blanketing, and obscuring” perfectly—better even than liquid water. I was not the first to conceive this idea. An English physicist forwarded an article he had written on the subject a week before I was confronted with kasha/blanketed.

The Hebrew word for snow is seleg. Recognizing that seleg/snow is nothing more or less than frozen mayim/water, both words were used in Job 24:19 describing the effect of drought and heat on “seleg mayim/snow waters.” And while seleg/snow appears twenty times in Scripture, mayim/waters was used repeatedly in the Genesis account because of its symbolism. The waters were intended to cleanse the world of corrupt humans.

The “basin” requirement is also met. The Taurus Mountains enclose this region to the southwest, south, southeast, and east. The Pontic Range dominates the northeast. The imposing Caucasus Mountains lie due north of the region. That means that the only potential opening in the area defined as “east of Eden” is the Black Sea—the world’s largest and deepest inland water basin. And as we should have known, the most massive example of regional flooding on earth took place in the region surrounding the Black Sea.

When we pan out, and look at the whole Middle East, we find an even larger basin, one with the Black Sea as the northern perimeter and Mesopotamia (the land between the Tigris and Euphrates) at its heart. A range of mountains extends from central Turkey down through western Syria and Jordan, along the eastern border of Israel. It continues down the whole western shore of Saudi Arabia. This range turns east along the southern edge of the Arabian Peninsula, dipping down only at the Strait of Hormuz. This elevated terrain travels northeastward through Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan prior to reaching the Himalayas, known as the roof of the world. From there, the Elburz Mountains flank the southern side of the Caspian Sea before turning north and joining the Caucasus and Taurus ranges.

The only significant gap in the elevated perimeter of this gigantic basin known as the Middle East, is the narrow channel separating the Persian Gulf from the Gulf of Oman. And that’s intriguing because in 2005, scientists (Dallas Abbot and Dee Breger) proved that a massive meteor struck the Indian Ocean 900 miles southeast of Madagascar. Its crater, named Burckle, has been dated to the lifetime of Noah.

Initially, scientists thought that the crater was formed between four and five thousand years ago (plus or minus 1500 years), but that timeline has since been revised to “around 2800 BCE.” The impact left a massive circular depression 18 miles in diameter, 12,000 feet below the surface of the sea.

Now this is where it gets interesting. The asteroid created a tsunami event which raced inland toward the Persian Gulf and up through Mesopotamia, reaching the Mediterranean and Black Seas. While the height and speed of this wall of water is hard for scientists to estimate, researchers like Ted Bryant, who is studying evidence related to the Burckle crater, say that “the huge waves were beyond our imagination;” they were “many magnitudes larger than any tsunami experienced in modern times.” He said, “End-of-the-world movies do not capture the size of these waves.” Others have stated: “If an event of this magnitude were to occur today, it would kill a quarter of the earth’s inhabitants.”

So it is possible that these waves would not only have massively contributed to the scale of the flood, the roar of encroaching and retreating waters would explain the inclination we now see in the mountain range at the Strait of Hormuz. It also explains why archaeologist Leonard Woolley found thirty feet of flood-deposited sediment above the oldest levels of Ur in Sumer, located at the time near the mouth of the Euphrates River. It would explain the Black Sea’s sudden change at that same time from fresh to saltwater, as well as its sudden 500-foot rise in elevation.

Further, it is interesting to contemplate the other related effects of an asteroid impact of this scale. It would eject enormous quantities of water vapor into the air, causing a prolonged rain—say of forty days and forty nights. And it would catapult so much debris into the atmosphere, the strike would trigger what’s known as a “nuclear winter,” causing much of the precipitation which resulted to start off as a warm rain which would transition to snow over time. Moreover, the tremendous amounts of fresh water from rain and snow would serve to leech all but the deepest basins (like Lake Van, Lake Urmia, and the Black and Caspian Seas) of salt, allowing plants to thrive soon after the waves of ocean water retreated through the narrow channel in the Persian Gulf.

Recognizing that the Black and Caspian Seas are the watershed for much of Europe and Russia, the continued rain would have provided ample water to replace that which was now spilling out through the Bosporus and the Straits of Hormuz—the only floodgates in this entire Middle East basin.

With this asteroid impact in mind, let’s consider once again what God said was going to happen in Genesis 7:11: “in that day, a great magnitude and quantity of (rab) deep ocean water (tahowm) and all underground springs (ma’yan – subterranean cisterns) burst and gushed forth (baqa’), and the floodgates (‘arubah) of the skies (samayim – heavens or atmosphere) were opened (patah – freed and released).”

A massive asteroid impact in the ocean is the only event capable of incorporating all of tahowm’s etymological meaning: “deep sea water roaring up from the depths in overwhelming quantities and force, creating wave upon wave without intermission.” The shockwaves from such and impact would tend to free underground stores of water, breaking them loose. And as we know from our meteorological modeling, the asteroid strike of this magnitude would release the floodgates of heaven, causing torrential rains which would be followed by a massive accumulation of snow.

So convinced he was that this asteroid was the cause of the flood depicted in the bible, a scientist commenting upon the History Channel’s presentation of the events related to the Burckle crater, said: “We no longer need God to explain the multiple flood legends.” To which Yahweh said, “Thinking themselves wise, they became fools.” (You will find God’s unabridged response at the end of this chapter.)

Nearly four thousand years before man figured out what had happened, Yahweh provided written documentation of when, where, why, and how the flood occurred, including specific details which wouldn’t be completely understood for many millennia. And when every last aspect of what He revealed was confirmed correct, man, rather than pointing a finger toward God, poked Him in the eye.

Keep in mind that this passage isn’t the only one in which Yahweh suggests that He will use an asteroid to do His bidding. In the 8th chapter of Revelation, God says that He will nudge an asteroid He is calling “Apinthos” from its orbit so that it will collide with the Earth. Scientists are calling what this asteroid “Apophis 2004 MN4.” But they are unaware of Yah’s prophecy, and therefore expect it to miss our planet by a distance of 15,000 miles, or by less than a tenth of the distance from the earth to the moon. It is projected (errantly) to be the closest “near miss” of any earth altering event. My guess is that the Black Sea Gazette, circa 2968 BCE, featured a similar story, predicting that the comet they saw streaking across they sky would miss them as well.

From what I can tell, Apinthos/Apophis is of similar size to the asteroid which formed the Burckle crater, sporting a diameter of a quarter mile. In the “Erchomai – Comings and Goings” chapter, you will discover that it is scheduled to arrive on Friday, April 13th, 2029—at the end of the Magog War, or about twenty-nine months into the Tribulation. So, if I were you, I’d make plans now to ship out of harm’s way, joining other members of Yah’s family in the Taruw’ah harvest known as the rapture.


Returning to the Genesis narrative, we learn that within this basin…“All (kol) related human and animal flesh (basar – living creatures, especially related people descended from a specific bloodline, messengers and preachers) which moved about (ramas) upon (‘al) the ground (‘erets), perished, gasping for breath (gawa’ – expired and died, becoming an empty, hollow corpse, the door being shut on them), including (ba) birds (‘op – winged creatures), domestic animals (bahemah), and wild animals (chayah), and all kinds of (kol) small insects living in colonies (saras) scurrying about in swarms (seres) on (‘al) the earth (‘erets – land or ground), and every (kol) man (‘adam),…” (Genesis 7:21)

After examining the evidence, both Scriptural and scientific, and putting the pieces together, I think Yahweh triggered the flood with an asteroid strike. The impact would have caused catastrophic flooding, with monstrous tsunami waves roaring up the mouths of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, eventually reaching their headwaters near Lake Van. It would have instantly killed everything in its wake. The impact could well have loosened underground cisterns of water, exacerbating the problem. The heat generated from the initial blast would have melted mountainous icepacks in the region, and generated massive mudflows. As a direct result of water and debris being hurled into the atmosphere, these catastrophic events would have been followed by torrential rains, not just in the area but around the globe. Eventually, the rain would turn to snow, especially in the higher elevations. Every place on earth would have been deluged to one extent or another.

Therefore, I think that the flood was a global event which was focused on the region surrounding Lake Van. At its epicenter, the flood waters were the deepest, and they prevailed the longest—say for 150 days at a depth of 4,000 cubits (just shy of 7,000 feet). If we ascribe a radius of 250 miles to this basin, no one aboard a ship floating therein would have been able to see land in any direction—especially considering the elevated humidity. And no non-migratory bird (like a raven or a dove), would have been able to reach any of the surrounding snow-covered peaks and return.

That said, I have no way of knowing if the volcanic ranges, as they appeared at the time, would have retained this depth of water, or if Yahweh preformed a miracle akin to parting the Red Sea’s Gulf of Aqaba during the Exodus. While the underwater land-bridge at the Israelis’ most likely crossing site only requires holding back two, one thousand-foot-deep-walls of water for twenty miles, the gulf plummets to 5,000 feet deep on either side. So since the Exodus was similar to the deluge in that one group of people were saved while another were drowned, and since it was miraculously performed, there is no reason to rule out Godly intervention with regard to water management in Noah’s case.

Moving outward toward the Black and Caspian Seas, the damage the damage in this larger basin would have been considerable, albeit diminished. The waters may have risen by as much as 1,000 feet and may have retained that level for four to six months. The heavy and continuous downpour triggered by the asteroid strike would have made this possible, especially since these massive basins serve as the watersheds for much of Europe and Russia.

The whole Middle Eastern basin would have been influenced by this event, both coming and going. Mesopotamia was the first land mass submerged by the 600 to 900 foot walls of water emanating from the asteroid’s plunge into the sea. And with the Tigris and Euphrates providing drainage for the epicenter of the flood, the consequence of this cataclysmic event would have been experienced for several months throughout this enormous basin. But the waters would not have been as deep or endured as long.

While it is clear that the world’s climate would have been altered for a month or so by an asteroid strike of this size, it’s hard to quantify the amount of additional rain which would have fallen. But we can surmise that snow packs would have melted initially, at least partially, causing massive flooding in certain areas. And the initial rains which would have followed the impact would have been torrential.

So in conclusion, we know with absolute certainty that a flood of Genesis proportions occurred where and when God said it did. There were early civilizations exactly where He said they would be. And the topography uniquely facilitated the event Yahweh described. Evidence and Scripture are in complete agreement because Yahweh was telling the truth.
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