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Offline In His Name  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:44:52 PM(UTC)
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Ever since I read about Apophis in YY, in the back of my mind I kept thinking it wouldn't take much to change the trajectory enough make this impact earth. Maybe a divine collision with some space debris... OR MAYBE SOME IDIOTS WITH A LET'S SEE WHAT THIS WILL DO MENTALITY...

Well here we go:

Fact following fiction? Scientists plan mission to blow up an asteroid 'hurtling towards Earth'

Plan is similar to the plot of Hollywood film Armageddon

By Ted Thornhill

Last updated at 7:58 AM on 17th August 2011

It seemed far-fetched on the silver screen.

But the European Space Agency is planning to launch a mission similar to the plot of Hollywood movie Armageddon, in which Bruce Willis and his intrepid team attempt to blow up a huge asteroid that’s hurtling towards Earth.

The real version, if it goes ahead in 2015, will see a satellite fired at break-neck speed into a ‘test’ asteroid to see if its course changes.

Rescue plan: The European Space Agency is planning mission Don Quijote - to blow up a huge asteroid that could potentially be hurtling towards Earth

The aim is to assess whether it would be possible to save Earth using this method, should we discover that an asteroid is on a collision course with our planet.

The mission, called Don Quijote, will involve sending two spacecraft towards a near-Earth asteroid.

One will be an ‘impactor’, which is fired into the asteroid, the other an orbitor that will analyse data from the experiment.

One potential target is a 1600ft-wide asteroid called 99942 Apophis, which experts say does have a minute chance - around one in 250,000 - of hitting Earth in 2036, so it would be useful target practice.

The 500kg impact craft, which will be called Hidalgo, will ram into the asteroid at a speed of around six miles a second.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co....Earth.html#ixzz1VKdWhYnP




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Offline Mike  
#2 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:14:49 AM(UTC)
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IHN,

Could 99942 Apophis (αποφις) be the same as Apsinthos (αψινθος) in Revelation 8:11?

The Europeans aren’t the only crazy people, the Chinese are thinking of trying to alter Apophis’s trajectory also.

China Reveals Solar Sail Plan To Prevent Apophis Hitting Earth in 2036
A small shove could prevent a global catastrophe, according to Chinese plans
KFC 08/18/2011

Apophis is a 46 million tonne asteroid that will pass within a hair's breath of Earth in 2029. However, Apophis's trajectory is likely to take it through a region of space near Earth known as a keyhole that will ensure the asteroid returns in 2036.
Nobody knows how close Apophis will come on that pass. But if there's a chance of a collision, we'll have only 7 years to work out how to avoid catastrophe.
Today, Shengping Gong and pals at Tsinghua University in Beijing say they've come up with a plan that will ensure Apophis never returns to Earth on this timescale .
They point out that keyholes are tiny, in this case just 600 metres wide. So deflecting Apophis by only a small amount in the near future will ensure it misses the keyhole and so cannot return to Earth.
There are various ways to deflect an asteroid. Gong and pals say their preference is to use a solar sail to place a small spacecraft into a retrograde orbit and on collision course with Apophis. The retrograde orbit will give it an impact velocity of 90km/s which, if they do this well enough in advance, should lead to a collision large enough to do the trick.
Putting a spacecraft into a retrograde orbit about the Sun using little or no fuel is a pretty neat trick by anyone's standards.. The Chinese team's calculations demonstrate the point. They show that a 10 kg sail in retrograde orbit, that hits Apophis a year before 2029, would deflect it enough to miss the keyhole, thereby eliminating the chance that the asteroid will return in 2036.
And such a mission ought to be relatively cheap and relatively easy to deploy.
That sounds easy enough. In practice, however, threading this camel through the eye of a needle will be extremely tricky. There are all kinds of variations in the solar wind that could send such a spacecraft wildly off course.
It also requires a huge sail that will be difficult to unfurl and also liable to damage during the course of the journey, which will itself take years.
Then there's the structure and make up of Apophis, which is a complete mystery. Without knowing the material properties of the asteroid, it's impossible to determine how the impact will affect it.
So there's a little more work to be done in Beijing before this plan can get off the ground. Perhaps they should team up with the Europeans we talked about the other week.
Ref: arxiv.org/abs/1108.3183: Utilization of H-reversal Trajectory of Solar Sail for Asteroid Deflection

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27088/

http://www.pYadaorld.com...ly_apophis_asteroid.html

http://www.universetoday...scope-impact-mitigation/

Offline In His Name  
#3 Posted : Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:09:42 PM(UTC)
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So China hits it once, Europe hits it again.... and then the US sends up Bruce Willis to fix things?

Mike wrote:
Could 99942 Apophis (αποφις) be the same as Apsinthos (αψινθος) in Revelation 8:11?


That was Yada and KP's take on it:

Yada YY book 5 chap 3 Erchomai... about 35% down wrote:
By the time we reach the 28th verse the Messiah is once again quoting from the Old Covenant (prophetic passages from Isaiah, Ezekiel and Joel) to tell us that it will get very dark before the Light appears in person. Reading between the lines, His description sounds like the effect nuclear winter would have following an atomic holocaust - or more accurately the aftermath of a large asteroid strike. He says: "Forthwith and straight away (eutheos) with (meta) the Tribulation (thlipsis - great affliction caused by applying pressure and pressing together leading to oppression and anguish) of those days the sun will be darkened (skotizo - obscured) and the moon will no longer provide light (pheggos) and celestial bodies (aster - asteroids, stars, or comets which can be seen radiating or reflecting light) shall fall (pipto - descend, being thrust down) from space (ouranos - the expanse of the sky, universe, or heavens) and the power (dunamis - energy, force, and influence) of the universe (ouranos) will be set in motion and be unsettled (saleuo)." (Matthew 24:29)

There is such an event looming on our horizon. And it is predicted to occur right on schedule. NASA scientists reveal that there is a 1 in 60 chance (some astronomers say a 1 in 38 chance according to the Washington Post) that quarter-mile wide (390 meter long) asteroid called 2004 MN4 (also named Apophis) will impact our planet on Friday, April 13, 2029 - about two and a half years into the Tribulation, toward the end of the Magog War. While current calculations show this stone missile missing the Earth by a scant 15,000 miles (less than a tenth of the distance to the moon) Yahushua said that it would "be unsettled" sufficiently to impact our planet.

Interestingly, the reason the doomsday asteroid isn't well known is that its discovery coincided with the Christmas 2004 tsunami (another of the seven signs) that devastated South Asia. Apophis isn't large enough to completely destroy the earth - only an area the size of all of America's mid-Atlantic and Northeastern states. Its impact is estimated at being equivalent to 100,000 times the energy released in the nuclear blast over Hiroshima. The Washington Post claims: "2004 MN4 is a 'regional' hazard - big enough to flatten Texas or a couple of European countries with an impact equivalent to 10,000 megatons of dynamite - more than all the nuclear weapons in the world." The dust of its impact would envelope the entire planet, darkening the sun and eliminating the moon's light, consistent with the prophecy.

I'm not going to be dogmatic here, but what if the Revelation 8:8 mid-tribulation second trumpet prophecy predicting "something like a great (megas) mountain which was consumed in fire (kaio pyr - lit by being set on fire and burning [sure sounds like an asteroid]) was thrown (ballo - fell, allowing gravity to do its work) into the sea...." correlates to Yahshua's mid-tribulation prediction in Matthew 24? Could the asteroid Apophis represent the literal stone which is going to be "set in motion and be unsettled" so as to descend from the heavens into the sea, spewing enough debris into the atmosphere to darken the sun? The smallest interaction with another piece of space debris would be sufficient to nudge Apophis' current orbit sufficiently to cause it to hit the earth rather than miss. And an asteroid of its size would generate sufficient heat to make it look like a fireball as it entered the earth's atmosphere, thus being "a great celestial body (aster - asteroid, star, or comet) shall fall (pipto - descend, being thrust down) from space (ouranos - the expanse of the sky, universe, or heavens) burning (kaio - set on fire and consumed) like a torch as it fell." (Revelation 8:9)

But beyond the timing and the description there is another fascinating Scriptural connection to Apophis. John tells us that the asteroid he is describing in revelation "has a name and it is called Apinthos (errantly replaced with "Wormwood" in English Bibles)." Apinthos (as it is rendered in the earliest Greek manuscripts versus Apsinthos in all reference dictionaries) and Apophis are remarkably similar names, one being of Egyptian origin and the other Greek. Apophis in Egyptian mythology is the name of "the evil spirit of destruction that will plunge the world into darkness." What a coincidence, that's exactly what John and Yahushua said Apinthos will do.

The universal portrayal of the Greek name Apinthos as "Wormwood" is telling. In a small way it helps explain why Christians remain unaware of Yahuweh's message and timeline. You will find "Wormwood" in the King James Version, the American Standard Version, the English Standard Version, the International Standard Version, the New Century Version, the New International Version, the New King James, the New American Standard, the New Revised Standard Version, and in Young's Literal Translation. This uniformity tells us that one of two things is true. Either apinthos is a word which requires translating and is not a name which must be transliterated, and also that apinthos is the Greek word for "wormwood" or all English Bibles are derivatives of the highly politicized, purposely corrupt, and grotesquely errant King James Version rather than being faithful translations of the inspired text.

Every lexicon readily admits, and the Scriptural text clearly confirms, that Apinthos is a name and not a word, so it should have been transliterated in every Bible and not translated in any one of them. John's testimony says: "The name (onoma) of the aster is called (lego) Apinthos (αψινθος)." (Revelation 8:11) That's as clear as words allow. The simple truth is, the name can't be translated because apinthos doesn't mean anything. It is of "uncertain derivation."

To add insult to injury, Revelation ends with this warning: "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and from the set-apart and purified city which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19) Yahuweh doesn't like it when men copyedit His revelation and change His name and His words to their own.

The explanation, or should I say excuse, for this universal blunder is that the asteroid is said to make the waters pikraino which means: "to make them bitter and to embitter, to exasperate and irritate." The root of pikraino is pikros, and it means "to cause agony and suffering by being virulent - something that is marked by a rapid, severe, and malignant course and whose venoms or poisons overcome life's defensive mechanisms." From that, the KJV translators replaced αψινθος with "Wormword." Scholars now allege that is because this plant, known as the species Artemisia absinthium and named after the pagan deity Artemis, made water taste bitter. Then these same scholars justify their translation, or more accurately, their opinion, by saying that "the choice of Wormwood is universally supported by the early church." Sorry boys and girls. Every early Revelation manuscript renders the name of the asteroid "αψινθος," which is transliterated "Apinthos." There was no early "church" because the first followers of the Way didn't substitute the sungoddess' name for Yahushua's descriptive term: ekklesia/out-calling. And, "Wormword" is an English term. The transition from Anglo-Saxon to English occurred in the 15th century, and therefore it was hardly an "early church" affair.

Unable to resist the temptation of copyediting God, these same fellows plastered Wormwood all over the Old Covenant, too. The Hebrew word lanah, from an unused root meaning "to curse and to embitter" is cited metaphorically by Yahuweh to demonstrate the consequence of turning away from Him to serve the foreign and false gods of the Gentiles. Such people's roots become rotten and Yahweh says that they will not be spared according to Moshe's testimony in Deuteronomy 29:18-20.

Apart from the similarities of name, timing, and description, I also find it interesting that the aster Apinthos is listed as the second of seven trumpet judgments in Revelation. The first describes the kind of nuclear winter that would follow an atomic war - something that the Magog conflict is predicted to devolve into. It speaks of "giant hail storms mingled with fire and blood," saying that "one third of the earth's land and a third of our planet's trees and grasslands will be burned up" in it. I find this telling because we should expect the Magog war to begin in 2027 and go nuclear in late 2028 putting the spring 2029 arrival of Apinthos/Apophis right on schedule.


KP Future History chap 18... about 30% down wrote:
We also have firm scientific data concerning the likely trigger for the next trumpet judgment. "Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter." (Revelation 8:10-11) The Greek word for "star" is aster, from which we get our word asteroid. And NASA astronomers have identified the very asteroid that has the potential to fulfill the prophecy. It was initially designated 2004 MN4 and is now called 99942 Apophis. NASA is currently giving it a 1 in 38 chance of colliding with our planet--extremely good odds (in a bad sort of way) as these things go, and odds that could easily be altered by minor angelic intervention. Apophis is estimated to be 320 meters long and 4.6 x 1010 kg in mass, about the size of the asteroid that caused the Tunguska event of June 30, 1908, flattening thousands of acres of Siberian forest. It is easily capable of compromising the earth’s crust if it lands in the right/wrong place.

The timing? Friday, April 13, 2029--about two and a half years into the Tribulation--is when NASA scientists calculate that the huge meteorite they’re tracking will have its next close encounter with the earth. This would put it after the Battle of Magog and the subsequent worldwide nuclear war, but before the Antichrist assumes total control of the nations of the earth--something we’ll discuss shortly. Indeed, I think that it (with the volcano/tsunami it follows) could have a positive impact (pardon my word choice) on the Antichrist’s ability to seize control of the monetary reins of the entire planet--something he’ll need to do before he institutes the universal oath of loyalty known in scripture as the "mark of the beast." In short, Apophis and Cumbre Vieja are a prophecy researcher’s dream come true, even though they’re a nightmare for everyone who’ll see them. That being said, it doesn’t really matter whether my hypothesis is right or wrong. What’s certain is that God’s Word cannot fail. The "how" of it is something only time will tell. However it transpires, though, this is incredibly bad. Nothing like it has ever happened before--not during man’s tenure upon the earth. From this point on, the very survival of the planet balances on a razor’s edge.

Note that this plague is specifically said to have come from the sky: the only explanation that makes sense is that it’s an asteroid. The name Wormwood is from the Greek apsinthos, a word that implies bitterness and calamity. NASA’s University of Arizona Space Imagery Center reports, "The amount of this sulfur [generated by a meteor strike] can be substantial, because meteoritic materials contain up to 6.25 weight percent sulfur. Consequently, even if the asteroid or comet does not hit a Sulfur-rich target, it can still cause dramatic increases in the total amount of atmospheric sulfur. Once vaporized, this sulfur can react with water to form sulfate (or sulfuric acid) particles. These particles can greatly reduce the amount of sunlight that penetrates to the surface of the earth for a period of up to several years. Over time, the sulfate will settle out of the stratosphere (upper atmosphere) into the troposphere (lower atmosphere) where they can form acid rain which can have additional environmental and biological effects." That sounds like a recipe for "bitter waters" to me.

The Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domains defines apsinthos as: "the taste of wormwood, a bitter-tasting herb used as a cure for intestinal worms.... The meaning of άψινθος [apsinthos] in Revelation 8:11 is not that the waters turned into a particular plant but that the waters came to be as bitter as the plant in question." The word for "made bitter" is an entirely different word, pikraino, carrying the added connotation of resentment, anger, or hate. Perhaps this bitterness explains why "death" was listed among the causes of death in the fourth seal judgment we just looked at: John had no earthly way to adequately describe the catastrophe he saw unfolding before him--he had neither the vocabulary nor the scientific knowledge, and yet, in the power of the Spirit of Yahweh, he did a marvelous job of informing us of the dire physical consequences of rejecting Yahshua.
“Because he clings to Me, is joined to Me, loves and delights in Me, desires Me, therefore I will deliver him, carry him safely away, cause him to escape from harm making him inaccessible and strong, and delivering him safely to heaven, because he has known, observed, cared for, recognized, instructed and advised others to use, designated, acknowledged, discerned, answered in, My name, authority, character, report, mark, and nature." Psalm 91:14
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#4 Posted : Friday, August 19, 2011 12:30:44 AM(UTC)
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So China hits it once, Europe hits it again.... and then the US sends up Bruce Willis to fix things?


It takes about 3 days to travel to the moon (Apollo Program did it 9 times) and about 3 days to get back.

Did you notice how Liv Tyler wore the same dress the whole time that Ben Affleck was on the mission?

Ewww!
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#5 Posted : Friday, August 19, 2011 6:18:20 PM(UTC)
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The root of pikraino is pikros, and it means "to cause agony and suffering by being virulent - something that is marked by a rapid, severe, and malignant course and whose venoms or poisons overcome life's defensive mechanisms."


Sheez, the root word really puts teeth into how much damage Apsinthos/Apophis will do.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:23:08 AM(UTC)
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Sheez, the root word really puts teeth into how much damage Apsinthos/Apophis will do.



It's said, "the only thing that will survive an event of this magnitude, or a nuclear attack, are roaches."

Them roaches better move over bc I'm getting under the refridgerator with 'em.
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