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Offline catherder  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:45:47 PM(UTC)
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Location: in the mountains of Oregon

Yahweh’s Kavod

The fall of Jerusalem shattered the national and territorial basis of Israel’s culture and religion. The Babylonians had burned the temple to the ground, they carried away most of the people to exile, to life in exile in Babylon, leaving behind mostly members of the lower classes to eke out a living as best they could. And it was the completion of the tragedy that had begun centuries earlier, and it was interpreted as a fulfillment of the covenant curses. It was the end of the Davidic monarchy, although the son of Jeholakim was alive and living in Babylon, kind of holding out hope that the line hadn’t actually been killed out, hadn’t been completely wiped out. But the institution seemed to have come to an end for now. It was the end of the temple, the end of the priesthood, the end of Israel as a nation; as an autonomous nation, the Israelites were confronted with a great test. One could see in these events a signal that Yahweh had abandoned Israel to, or had been defeated by the god of the Babylonians, and Marduk would replace Yahweh, as the Israelites assimilated themselves into their new home. And certainly there were Israelites who went that route, but others who were firmly rooted in exclusive Yahwism did not. Yahweh hadn’t been defeated, the nations’s calamities were not disproof of Yahweh’s power and covenant, they were proof of it. Yahweh’s desire for morality as expressed in the ancient covenant, the prophets had spoken truly when they had said that destruction would follow, if the people didn’t turn from their moral and religious violations of Yahweh’s law. The defeat and the exile had the potential to convince Israelites of the need to show absolute and undivided devotion to Yahweh and his commandments.

Ezekiel, a prophet who was a priest, he was deported in the first deportation. There was deportation of exiles in 597. Ezekiel was in exile in Babylon during the final destruction and the fall of Jerusalem in 587. After 587, Ezekiel had a remarkable vision, among many. There’s a stormy wind and a huge cloud, and a flashing fire, Yahweh is riding on a kind of throne chariot. Yahweh’s enthroned above four magnificent creatures. Each of these has a human body and then four faces: the face of a human, the face of a lion, the face of an ox, and the face of an eagle. There are four huge wheels under this throned-chariot, and they are said to gleam like beryl beneath a vast and awe-inspiring expanse or dome, which gleams like crystal. Above that is the semblance of a throne that is like sapphire, and on the throne was the semblance of a human form that’s gleaming like amber, and its fire encased in a frame, which is radiant all about. This fire that’s encased, is in a cloud that contains or hides the fire that is Yahweh’s presence. So this kavod, describing the presence of Yahweh among his people, Yahweh is concealed and revealed only in his kavod. In a vision, an angel transports Ezekiel to Jerusalem and into the temple courts, and there he sees a very vivid description of the shocking abominations. As he watches the slaughter and the destruction that’s going on there, Ezekiel sees the kavod, that is the presence of Yahweh, arise from the Temple and move to the east. The traditions of gods abandoning their cities in anger, leaving them to destruction by another god. The primary difference here is that Yahweh, rather than another god, is Yahweh himself also bringing the destruction. Yahweh doesn’t retire to heaven, nor abandons his people. Yahweh doesn’t remain behind with those left in Judah, but Yahweh moves into exile; those left behind are guilty. Yahweh does not stay with them; Yahweh moves east with the righteous exiles. The kavod went eastward with the exiles, so the kavod will return with the reestablishment of Israel in her home. The kavod returning from the east and back to the temple, Yahweh is not liked to a particular place, but to a particular people; Yahweh was with his people, even when they are in exile.


Yahweh would not have forsaken Yeshua, no way, no how?
For this purpose was I spared, is what that verse should say.
Offline FredSnell  
#2 Posted : Thursday, April 14, 2011 2:26:14 AM(UTC)
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Hey catherder, are you in a cave in the Oregon mountains?
Offline Richard  
#3 Posted : Thursday, April 14, 2011 4:34:57 AM(UTC)
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Wherever it is that he's herding his cats, he has never heard of the concept of short, readable paragraphs. I think he's a spammer and is just using these forums to pull in readers to his own site.
Offline catherder  
#4 Posted : Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:41:13 AM(UTC)
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Location: in the mountains of Oregon

Just trying to learn, it's a crazy way to learn, but it is school of hard knots, thanks for your insights.
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