Walt wrote:Maybe even start with KPs writings on Torah - he will show you what the Jewish religious leaders to corrupt Yah's Torah
I will no longer send weak minded religious people straight to KP & Yada's web-books. Here is why: I direct them to The Owner's Manual, they start reading, scroll down the page, then see the link to Questioning Paul. They click on the link to QP and then KABOOM! The weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth begins because they say that I am telling them that Paul was an agent of Satan, or worse, a homo.
This has happened too many times for me to ignore the pattern.
People who fall between the "Hard core atheist" and "Soft agnostic" points of the spectrum can be sent straight to YY.
Some "Bitter ex-Catholics" can be sent straight to QP.
The "Hal Lindsey/Late Great Planet Earth/Rapture Fever" crew
could be sent to FH, except that they will find the link to QP... KABOOM!
A couple of my buddies have made our own copies of TOM and FH that we distribute to "weak minded" people that "can't handle the [whole] truth" (at this time), just so they don't stumble upon QP and the 2010 version of YY.
For these people, TorahClass.com might be the first step on their path back to Zion.
Walt,
Noach, not everyone is as strong minded as you are. Not everyone is exactly where you two are on their theodicy,
at this moment. Please be considerate of our weaker brothers and sisters, they are like babies who have been feed nothing but Twinkies, heroin and bacon all of their spiritual lives. If you demand that they immediately switch to a completely kosher diet, many will reject any notion of reform and not even listen.
By the way: The Owner's Manual often refers to "Jesus", "Lord" and makes extensive use of the NLT (Possibly the WORST widely published English language translation I've ever read!). Do we call KP an agent of the Vatican, or worse, Zondervan? NO! We pull up our big-girl-panties and understand that the last guy who spoke "the whole truth" walked on this earth (and Lake Kinneret) 2,000 years ago. Everybody else is,
at best, a second string player. This includes Yada and KP!
As an aside: When I am speaking to a follower of Muhammad/Allah, part of the conversation starts out with "What do you think about (the life/work/claims of) Isa?". Later on (minutes/hours/days/weeks/months later, sometimes) we get around to the part where I have to say "His name isn't 'Isa'... It is not 'Jesus', either..." Am I leading them astray by
waiting for the right moment to correct their understanding of what His name is? I hope not!
Walt, Noach, we love you guys and it is obvious that you two love YHWH and are serious and diligent followers of His "instructions for living". If your theology is
perfect and your method of presenting it is
flawless, we will use only your apologetic. If that is not the case,
please allow others to use various stepping stones on their path. It is just like when a doctor has to get a patient "healthy enough" before they can be go in for a surgical procedure.
My dad says that our first year in "heaven" will be mostly taken up with a class entitled Theo-101, where we learn how all this stuff
really fits together. I can assure you that Walt, Noach, Yada, KP and even Richard (flintface) will learn a thing or two in that class!
[See how long I can make my posts, tagim?]
Walt and Noach, wouldn't it be better to say:
Quote:"I've listened to several of TorahClass.com's lessons. There is a great deal of good material there. I don't agree with some of their beliefs, specifically [x, y and z], but I have much more in common with them than any 'church' I have ever encountered. I recommend that you take a look at YY, TOM, FH, too. After you have finished these, take a peek at QP, someday"
Dan "Celebrate-the-similarities-Discuss-the-differences' Nafe