Could someone tell me if the "Owner's Manual" by Ken Powers has any of, what I call, "Paul bits" in it?

Yeah. I discuss what Paul had to say about the Torah, and I quote him from the NLT. I'm goin' to hell. Twice!

kp

From what I've heard, the NLT doesn't quote anybody.
Mebbe you paraphrased him from the NLT?

Be nice, or I'll turn you into a newt.

kp

Well, this is the main problem isn't it. If you don't have time to do a lot of study, how are people going to be able to check that what Yada has said regarding Paul is true? Unfortunately, I fear many people have a "believe anything that Yada says" attitude, and few, if any, will check what he says. I wonder just how many people have checked out Yada's Greek translations that are found in QP? I know I'm assuming things, but my assumptions are based on a good deals worth of experience when it comes to this sort of thing.

Oddly enough, the "not checking" attitude that many people have is so very Christian, something I thought people on here had gotten away from. Whilst many people may have physically left their church and Christianity, I'm afraid quite a few people are still stuck in that way of thinking.



Well, outside of the eye-witness accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, where exactly does Peter quote Yahushua in his 2 letters? Or how about John in his 3 letters? Jude? James/Ya'qob? Well I'll quickly answer this for everyone: none of these people quote anything Yahushua says either! So why the singling out of Paul? They're all at fault (if you want to call it that) for not mentioning anything about Yahushua in their letters.

However, how are we to know which of Yahushua's teachings these people quoted in their every day lives? These people were teachers in charge of numerous ekklesia's, and we don't have a written source that contains each and every thing they said. Is it really safe to presume, and then state as fact, that Paul never quoted Yahushua? Well no, it isn't, especially in light of Acts 20:35.

Also, Paul does quote Yahushua in 1 Corinthians 11:24-25. Now I know Yada has said that Paul has quoted him wrongly in these 2 verses, but I couldn't find where Yada actually said what Paul had quoted wrong, nor a translation of 1 Corinthians 11:24-25 in QP. Maybe someone could point me to where he has done this?



Well, unfortunately most people now have only read one side's core view regarding Paul, so people are hardly in the right place to make a truly informed decision on the subject. The only thing people can do at the moment is to check the one side's exhibit edevidence to make sure whether they have presented the evidence properly or not.

I have read articles at http://www.eliyah.com which suggest that Paul's writings have been misunderstood by mainstream Christianity and that the man actually was pro-Torah. The arguments presented are well-written and thoughtful. However, since I read QP I have chosen to back off of Paul's writings. Whenever something he wrote comes to mind for use against the adversary, I push it aside and seek something I know for certain is from Yahuweh's Spirit. If Paul was indeed an "apostle" of Yahushua's, then I would consider it a favor were the Father to make that known to me in no uncertain way. Until He does so, I choose to proceed as though what Paul wrote is probably not from Yahuweh.

Be blessed.

Richard