Noach wrote:I don't understand. If Yada Yaheweh has information regarding Paul that can help free Christians of his religion, why wouldn't it be shared? It is important for Christians to have the opportunity to be exposed to this information. Hiding and restricting accessibiility to this information seems contrary to the use of Yada Yahweh as a tool to help. Our job is to simply present the truth. People will come to their own conclusions. The most loving thing we can do is give Christians any and all information we have to help them come out of their religion. Hiding information isn't going to help in this regard. Please reconsider the current plan regarding the presentation of Paul in Galatians.
Noah
I think this Galatians debate will be lingering on for a pretty long time, and many Christians will turn away from the forum, and YY, without considering the rest if we were to say Paul is a false prophet and promote it as one of the core beliefs, but then again there'll also be people who'll be attracted to YY if Paul is not promoted. I know in my early walk I rejected a Messianic group who rejected Paul's writings, I didn't even consider the rest of what they had to say. Paul is deeply rooted in Christianity, there's no question about it. If I has seen YY rejecting Paul in my early walk then I wouldn't of even opened an eye-lid to it, but that's just me. Maybe coming out in the open is the way to go, being frank and honest, like Yahshua was, but for that to happen those responsible for presenting Paul as a false prophet really need to be sure of their decision.
Anyway, I've been listening to all the radio shows and Yada has said a number of times that he's been revising what he's written in his drafts. He wants to be sure, and complete, before "publishing" his work online, as any rational person should, as it truly is divisive. Also, some of us are waiting for him to finish his work before commenting on the forum, and on the radio I haven't yet seen anybody really challenge him on his take, which I would really like to see. I've already mentioned on the forum that I currently don't agree with his understanding of Galatians. But before I share my thoughts in full and my many questions I'm waiting for Yada to post his works online which will give me time to go through it properly, because maybe I change my mind if convinced of his argument point by point. I want to be sure of my stance, because it truly is a huge change and will have dramatic effects on my personal life, and plus I don't want to be rash and say something stupid. If I disagree on things I have a desire to lash out while unprepared for the response, just ask my wife, instead of taking the time to look at the facts, think things through and approach in a way geared towards learning and being constructive. Many times I've slept on the couch because of my immature actions, my immature loud mouth. And the last thing I want is to be alienated from a group of people -you guys- who are geared towards learning the truth no matter what the costs.
So far I have plenty of things I disagree with or am somewhat unsure of so I want to take my time with this.
Here are just two things of which I'm somewhat in disagreement with, and would like to address already:
1) Yada says Paul is against marriage, hence against God's Covenant, which I can understand why Yada says what he says, but passages such as Luke 14:15-35, especially verses 20 and 33, suggest marriage could be a hindrance, and these words have been taken directly from Yahshua. Now without thinking I could say something stupid like "why did Yada not quote this passage when saying what he said" as if implying Yada hasn't done the obvious, but since I want to think things through, walk in love and be a brother I would rephrase my question, for example "how would Yada relate Luke 14 to Paul's opinion on the matter, can Paul's words be justified with what Yahshua said." A slight difference in tone and use of words helps us all instead of creating more damage, and hopefully preventing alienation of people. In my approach (and this is a personal battle of mine) I must realise that I'm on the same page as Yada, in other words, a child of Yahweh, and that we are all working towards understanding Yahweh and the Way better, instead of being on the opposide side of the fence and against my brother in Yahshua. Which leads me on to the next point, and is relevant if I think about it.
2) Yada in episode 30-32 (not sure which one) said Paul incorrectly listed "love your neighbour" in Galatians 5:14 as the commandment summing up the Torah when it should be to love Yahweh with all your heart. Now, out of the context that I see Paul discussing and in a general sense I agree with Yada, but when related to the specific passages surrounding the verse, where people are bickering and arguing with and devouring each other, I think Paul had a valid claim because the Torah has the solution to help us stop our infighting, which is to love each other (Leviticus 19:18), hence why Paul says the entire Torah can be summed up in loving each other, as Yahshua mentioned as well in Matthew 22:36-40. To love each other would be to work towards a common goal, and as the expression goes, without killing each other in the procees. Yahshua (well an English translation of His words) says the second law "is like, resembles and is similar to"* the first commandment, which I think adds weight to Paul's claim, hence why I think Paul's claim is valid. Also, I think it's obvious that to love Yahweh is the greatest commandment of all -and I assume the Galatians already knew that- followed on the heels by loving one's neighbour. We must seek ways to build, encourage and edify each other (for example Yada sharing his studies for free online), going out of our way to help others and our brothers, rather than seeking our own selfish ways, like pleasing those desires contrary to Scripture, for example trying to prove "I'm right and you're wrong" if based upon selfish gain which could serve to puff up one's egoism (hmmm... some would see Galatians this way), or trying to earn God's salvation through our own pain and blood and strentgh, our own good works and on merit, and making a profit while we're at it, the things upon which religions are built and which lead to infighting when arguments follow.
*Thanks Swalchy for your translation of Matthew 22:39
Swalchy wrote:And the Hebrew equivalent would be ... a word I do not know =P
Thanks again.
Reason I ask is because Yada puts a lot of emphasis on the word. Does the word
nacham (H5162) mean the same as
metanoeo? Does the Hebrew differ from the Aramaic word? I'm not against the Greek word, in fact I like it, but was curios to know the word the Messiah would've used in His Aramaic speeches, unless He quoted a Hebrew passage with the word
nacham in.