OK I will start a new thread later bro, I am sure it matters.

Hi Toni.



"last" church service? Does that mean you're never going back?
What was the reason for terminating your attendance?




I'm going to guess what you mean by "the panic i am feeling."

You mean that a sense of great urgency to know the Truth has come over you, but that with (a) no good information about how to get to know that Truth, (b) the realization that years of church involvement hasn't gotten you any closer to Truth (wasted time), (c) the realization that years of church involvement has actually taken you further away from Truth (which is worse than just wasted time), and possibly also (d) the feeling of being "left behind" (and I don't mean rapture), you're feeling overwhelmed.

If you've gotten into the prophetic dating stuff at all, you're probably also feeling like time is very short before "the end of the world" (perhaps as little as fifteen years left, according to Yada's dating efforts), which may be upping that sense of urgency even more. I can imagine how you could be feeling panicked. =)

Is my guess even close?




That you could even write something with that much perspective, tells me that you are well on your way.

At least in terms of being well on your way "out" of church and the false christian religion. In terms of being well on your way "in" to a legitimate relationship with YHWH, I can't say.




So that is even more evidence that you are well on your way. And from my perspective, is very encouraging evidence.

I've known hundreds of people who left church, but few of them could make such sweeping statements about what's wrong with church, even years later (you're only three weeks later). And even fewer could look back and say, "I have always felt that I was set apart."

Your leaving is a great step of progress, and the start of something new.




Just don't think that you've found the one-stop-shop for all things correct.

While participation in such a forum as this almost guarantees a certain level of "out-ness" (and can thus be very exciting for someone who is herself just coming out -- "we have so much in common!"), it's more about where we go after we've left Egypt / Babylon / pick your analogy. Or more precisely, it's more about with whom we are traveling after we've left. And I don't mean Moses.

While there are great topics being discussed here -- topics you've probably never heard about, let alone heard anyone discuss in detail -- and while you will most certainly gain from reading (and/or joining) the various discussions, the biggest topic of all for some reason goes undiscussed. As I've been ranting about for a few days now. So, obviously this forum doesn't have all the required information, and is thus not a "one-stop-shop." (Unless you think such a "relational knowing" with YHWH can safely be reduced to celebrating festivals, vaguely following the law, and reading about him in the scriptures -- in which case you may disagree with me!)

To use a different analogy (but one that is still related to Egypt / Babylon), I would say that you have just exited the "wide road to destruction," which I interpret as meaning any religion that advertises itself as being a road that heads towards the "God" of the scriptures. So, great job on getting off the "highway to hell." Sure, there's a lot of your thinking that still needs to change, but you have physically removed yourself from the highway. And that's something.

The question now is: will you find the narrow gate, and if you do, will you go through it? I've known plenty of people who got off the highway, and even found the narrow gate, but ultimately weren't willing to go through it, due to the high price of entry. Which sounds crazy -- after all that progress, they didn't go through? But if you think of it as a toll gate -- one that costs everything to go through -- you can begin to understand why someone wouldn't. (They love their own life too much.) Maybe a topic for another thread?

So, keep your thinking cap firmly on top of your head, and don't believe what anyone (whether on this forum, or elsewhere) tells you, without at least thinking about it for a little while... That's my advice to you. =)

But it's probably not advice you need, seeing as how you were (already) thinking for yourself, even while you were still attending church. Good thing you got the advice for free, then!




Well, there was a little more. =)

Thanks for your interest in my proposed topic. Maybe after another hundred people say the same thing, the forum genie will grant me my wish.

Q

Good advice Q.

Alright, the topics are "very loosely titled."

But also derived from concepts (that were already developed) in the YY book (as rv stated)?
And just given here in the forum, essentially as sub-topics of the book for us to discuss?
If so (if the forum design is based on the contents of the book), then why doesn't the book talk about my proposed topic?
Because if it did actually talk about "yada yahweh" in any great detail, it would have been obvious during the forum design stage that such a topic as "the relationship, not the book" should be on the list.

If the intent of the forum is to cover the majority of peoples' interest, then the forum creator must not have anticipated that people would have any interest in discussing the relationship specifically.

Either way you look at it, it's a serious oversight, and needs to be corrected (with the addition of another topic).


Thanks for the direct answer.
Yada?


I agree that those two already-existing topics are the best-of-what's-available, but you know my reasons for not thinking that they are, in fact, the best.

Q

Thanks "Fam" for your comments.

I was too vague before, in an effort to keep things as brief as possible.

I am very overwhelmed with how much time I have spent reading & studying a "word" that was twisted. Years pursuing emptiness, like clouds without water!

I am equally overwhelmed with the amount of material I now need to become deeply acquainted with. I can only start at the beginning, where ever that may be. There seems to be quite a few several good places I could begin. Sure wish I could "speed read", but I don't. It's going to be slow going.

I said before that I have been to my last church service - which is true. The fellowship and love for God's souls makes me want to keep the connection for the future when I know more and have the confidence to share without running people off. I would like to be able to tailor my participation (if I do go back) to be approved by God, but I think It would be easier or maybe even better to cut the cord with a simple and brief explanation of my hasty exit, while I soak in the Yada Yahweh material.

I fully intend to check out all materials for myself. I appreciate all efforts to guide me to the sources you have found to be helpful. I also appreciate correction. I know that it is a necessary part to my growth.

That's enough for now, i hope. I'm looking forward to the future posts.

I would like to be able to track topics if anyone knows how to accomplish that, let me know.

thanks,
toni

I think when it comes to starting a new topic its pretty common sense to find the forum that your new topic could be the most closely related to or fall under and put it there. Dont see the reason for all the fuss over this. I dont think most have a problem with this part of the process.

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Hi Jenifer,

Welcome to YY -its great to have another girl on the site :)

Jude

Juski and James--

Thank you for the welcome! :-)

Jennifer

Welcome aboard, Mike! Like James, one of the moderators, says in his signature, don't take anybody's word on anything. Check it all out for yourself. Most of what we need to know is available on line, but it won't hurt at all to invest in certain hard-copy helps and software if you can afford it. Mostly, exult in freedom from religion and all its clerics, for such is this Way to which we are called: freedom to be children of Yahuwah.

The forum software is buggy and not all posts show up until someone "bumps" that thread. Don't even ask me how that works. But for the most part, this is a great place to fellowship, even if it isn't always in the right now or face-to-face.

Richard

Hello dear beloved Called-Out Assembly,

I'm another newbie to the forums; having read to chapter 11 of Questioning Paul - needless to say, I no longer see Paul as an apostle of Ma'aseyah; rather, I see him as being, perhaps, the very first anti-Chrestus/Ma'aseyah and did what the devil does best: kill steal and destroy...

Having been turned around by Yahowah - I am now going in the correct direction to do as what was given to us for an example when Yahowah walked the earth as Yahowsha' demonstrated observed and fulfilled the Torah Prophets and Psalms; and as if that weren't enough: He also became the Passover, the very Gateway into our being invited to participate with Him as He can be trusted and relied upon to fulfill everything else He's promised; as well as the three remaining Called-Out Assemblies...

I appreciate the tremendous efforts that have gone into making Yada Yahwey what it is: a gateway into the truth...God's truth...

Having come out of both RCC early on, followed by evangelicalism since 1984, most recently...I can safely say I am indebted for all the hard work put into revealing the truth and allowing the pieces to fall where they will; which all truth seekers will be able to relate to, and that has been done here at YY.

So with Yah's continued help, I'll continue to finish reading (with the hopes to re-read Questioning Paul again...very powerful stuff), and reading other information as has been revealed by the producers of Yada Yahwey...

Yah's best on those of this forum,

Vince B.

Yeah, welcome, VinceB!

Richard

Thanks folks for the welcome and regards...

I do plan to frequent the forums, checking daily postings, but not post to much in the way of comments and/or sharing to much; I'm still new to the forums and feel there's still so much to learn and read at YY that I don't feel competent enough to post a whole lot...realizing opinions really don't matter a whole lot (and need to be educated, and make informed comments/posts; besides, as best as I can figure out, we've had more than enough opinion the past 2000 years, when we got Paul's deceptive opinions codified as being Scripture (inspired of God)...

So, thanks again for the welcomes...and I hope to post question, comments, concerns little by little more and more as I, with Yah's help, get myself educated and up to speed...

Yah's best

VB

PS Hey Walt, I'm over on the eastern slope short of Ft Collins CO a few miles...

Welcome Vince - nice to have another person from Colorado. I live about an hour south of Fort Collins.

Welcome Vince. I'm in Southern CO, 30 miles above CoSpgs near Divide.

Thanks cgb2 and Noel...

...and yes, Noel, I agree with you - I agree it has been Pauline Doctrine with all its half truths, coupled with his twisting it to fit his twisted agendas, agendas that lavishly/brazenly went out of its way to circumvent all that God had said, did, and all that He said He's going to do in the hearts and minds of people - so as to try and prevent/block our total trust and reliance upon Him, while He's 'gifted' us (those of "The Way" "Called-Out Assemblies)to participate with Him in our observing/learning/knowing/celebrating with Him in all He told us to do; and also participate in witnessing Him fulfilling the last three Feasts, just as He had the first four, as you'd mentioned) - and thus, many Christian lay, and its leadership, have been prone to want to apologize (being pro-Pauling) for Paul and/or excuse Paul, unable to think out of the matrix/box to see that Paul was all wrong from the get-go; to see Sha'uwl was, perhaps the very first, post-Yahowsha', anti-Chrestus/Ma'aseyah who ever walked the earth...he was a wolf in 'sheep's' clothing just like the institutions fathered by Paul; just like so many politicians from all the political parties...Pauline Doctrine sets the 'foundation-stone', as it were, for all the coloring of the laws; color of law that criminals -of every stripe- can find protection and/or cover to profit (for gain/advantage) from: both in and out of the Christianity Religious Schemes...

BTW you being from UK, I was a huge fan of CH Spurgeon (always reading his daily devotionals and listening to him on cloudaudio...); but needless to say: those days are over, he's so pro-Paul as all the Christian Church fathers were...

cgb2, I'm north of Wellington...

My apologizes if I seem long winded; it's as if I'm reiterating, and re-reiterating, these truths to myself, as much as making comments to my having been welcomed by you all, to these forms...

Thanks again folks.

Yahowah's best on those of these forums.

Welcome, indeed, Vince. You could not have come to a better site.

Welcome buddy.

Well, in the short time I've been here on YY I've learned a lot and have really appreciated all your thought provoking comments and commentaries on issues facing the family: Yah's Called-Out Assemblies...

Now that I have finished QP I now turn my attention to Yada Yahwey on my journey to try and learn all I can about what we really have from God without all the lies...

I guess one of my biggest concerns now, is how to go about celebrating and participating in the Feast Days - I know we have a big one coming Monday April 14th...and apart from acknowledging it (and desiring to participate), I don't think there's a whole lot I'm going to be able to do, this year, about it anyway...Yah says observe while the boss says work...I'd much rather disobey the boss and obey Yah than what Yisrael has a long history of doing; and we all know how that ended up...

So, I'll be checking out the forums as indicated when I started, but will now start focusing on Yada Yahwey and that 2000 page study...

Yah's best to Yah's family

Hello, my name is Jesse.

This website was introduced to me by a friend of mine. Wow! All I can say is wow.

I am a PK and have grown up and I am a member in a Baptist Church. I've served as a Worship leader for years. Everything I read seems correct. As much as I don't want to believe what is espoused here, I almost can't help myself. I've been devouring this stuff and related websites for almost a year now. Everything I read in the bible is a new story as though I'd never read it before. Some of the changes are no big deal, everyone just looks at me funny. Some of them not so much. Paul not being an actual apostle is not something to say lightly...yet it just seems to make sense and puts everything back in working order again for me. If I was single, I would be all in. But I'm married with kids...it seems to make the decision a lot more difficult as I would be leading my entire family off the beaten path and at this point I feel like I'm joining a cult. AAAAAHHH. I most likely will not be writing much on the forums, but I am a reader and will be learning from those here. I wanted to let you know I was here. Thanks for all the info and truth.

Jesse

Jesse,

Welcome, i am glad you have found the forum and the books to be so helpful, I hope that you will engage and post however. I have found that discussion can be a more productive tool than just reading, and I think everyone would benefit from your contributing as well as reading. But do what works for you.

As for your wife and kids, I would say that you should never force anything on them, but you should certainly expose them to what you have come to know and understand. Let them make the same decision as you based on the same evidence. And yes if you choose to follow Yah's instructions, you will be labeled many things by man, a cult member, a kook, a weirdo, etc. And I can guarantee if you decided to keep Yah's festivals and tell people they will probably ask if you are becoming Jewish. But in the end it is worth it, the relationship you share with Yah is worth all the funny looks and name calling.

Cult - a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

Religion - a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.

Sound pretty similar when you look at them don't they. The only real difference between a cult and a religion is how long it's been around and how many members it has. That said if this is a cult it's most oddly constructed one I have ever heard of, there is no central authority, everyone is encouraged to study for themselves, and question everyone else, no money is asked for by anyone let alone expected.

The forum, and YY in general is just a bunch of people with the same goal all trying to help each other. And again the more people the more likely we will reach that goal, so please feel free to join in.

Welcome aboard, Jesse! The posts between yours and mine pretty much cover it. May the Father of lights delight to turn the hearts of your good wife and beautiful children to His Word by shining the pure light of His Word onto their several mistaken beliefs.

Richard

Welcome, Yishai, I like your intro, and believe me, you will like it here. Thank you for your post.

I agree that starting with Questioning Paul is definitely very hard medicine over and against Paul with his christianity's yielding beliefs and faiths...but I'm the type of person if given a choice, to hear 'the good news' first or 'the bad news' I'd want to get the bad news first; and then I'll listen to whatever the good news is...so I immediately went for, what I perceived at the time was the bad news, Questioning Paul; for me it helped toward becoming unglued from Paul's stuff faster since QP doesn't sugar coat things, and ended up leaving me with being much more opened to what Yahowah has to say over and against what man has to say about what Yah has to say, including what Paul has to say about what Yahowah has to say...

I totally understand; and anyone coming out of any one of a thousand man-made religious schemes will virtually have the same reaction once that switch gets flipped and the light of Yah starts shining in leaving the doctrines of man no where to hide...

And just from what Yah has been showing me the last two weeks or so is that, with Yahowah as He's revealed in the Torah, Prophets, and Psalms doesn't want to be worshipped and adored (that's not to say He isn't worthy of it, or that it is not what our initial reaction of our being in His presents is going to want to do...it's just that He doesn't want any of it) but that the Adversary does want all those things; wants to be worshipped and adored (the things consistent with religion) as if he were God, and not just another created being like the rest of us.

And whereas Yahowah doesn't want to be worshipped (which is one of the most amazing things in and of itself, in my opinion, about the very nature of our God - of Yahowah) that Yahowah our Creator rather than wanting to receive worship and adoration from us, wants a relationship with us; and He does everything Himself to clear The Way for us to be able to do just that: coming into a relationship with Yah His way and on His terms: via the seven festival feasts and observing Him on and in His Shabbats...after all, it's His family, He's the Father, and He sets the boundaries on the family for our good and His esteem.

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Hello everyone. Another Virginian here. Found my way here from PoD.

Nice forum you have here. Someone left the gate opened and I wandered in. Hope you don't mind me looking around - thank you.
Mr Winn sure has been busy over the years! He knows his reward. All I can add is a humble THANK YOU - his works are incredible.

Being raised by a catholic/italian mom and a southern methodist dad, I was starved for some real spiritual insights. The "bible" did very little for me and Paul's writings seemed too different than the rest of the "testament" to make any sense.

I got into 'new age' before it even had a label and before it turned into "rainbows and unicorns in Sedona". I was 16 years old and it was 1972 and there were the 'mystery schools', TM, Hinduism, Native American, the Urantia Book, anything that was 'out of the box', I looked into it. I was starving to find God's nectar and know inner peace.

In 1986, I discovered the writings of two Sufi poets, Jalāl ad-Dīn Muḥammad Rūmī and also Rābiʻa al-ʻAdawiyya al-Qaysiyya and was taken by the beauty and simplicity of their words.

Rumi:

Don’t go anywhere without me.
Let nothing happen in the sky apart from me,
or on the ground, in this world or that world,
without my being in its happening.
Vision, see nothing I don’t see.
Language, say nothing.
The way the night knows itself with the moon,
be that with me. Be the rose
nearest to the thorn that I am.

I want to feel myself in you when you taste food,
in the arc of your mallet when you work,
when you visit friends, when you go
up on the roof by yourself at night.

There’s nothing worse than to walk out along the street
without you. I don’t know where I’m going.
You’re the road, and the knower of roads,
more than maps, more than love.

and Rābiʻa prayed:

“O God! If I worship You for fear of Hell, burn me in Hell,
and if I worship You in hope of Paradise, exclude me from Paradise.
But if I worship You for Your Own sake, grudge me not Your everlasting Beauty.”

I had to know what inspired such wonderful poems!

Soon after that, I bought a koran and read it cover to cover. I couldn’t believe what I was reading! How in the hell did this evil garbage ever pass for a religion! OK, let’s give islam a second chance then! I read commentaries on the koran by muslim scholars, just in case I “didn’t get it” – still, I came to the same conclusion: islam is POISON at best and demonic at worse! Seems the inspiration for Sufi poetry was in spite of islam, not because of it.

I then dove into history more to learn that islam has always been and will forever be at war with the world. From it’s beginning, it has always been a force of conquest – from Spain to India to the Phillipines and beyond. There is no placating islam. The objectives are clear. If you are Jew, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, or even in some cases – not quite muslim enough for other muslims, your life is going to be hell under islam. My Hindu friends helped enlighten me on the virtues of Islam - some going as far as saying that Mahatma Gandhi was a complete fool for trying appease muslims: that Gandhi has the blood of millions on his hands. What worked (non-violence) with the semi-civilized British would not work with the blood-thirsty islamists. I thought everyone considered Gandhi a saint!

Then around 1988, I came across a wonderful book written by Andy Gaus entitled: The Unvarnished Gospels, this book is described as followed:

”This contemporary literary translation of the Gospels will give readers a remarkable new perspective on the Gospels, a feel for them that is very much like the experience of reading the original Greek in all its simplicity and conversational style. By contrast, other translations interpret the Greek through church dogmas that arose centuries after the original texts. In this edition a glossary elucidates the original meanings of key words and compares them with their conventional translations“.

This book was like a breath of fresh air for me. In late 1991, Gaus expanded his book and published the entire New Testament entitled: The Unvarnished New Testament. Gone was the "ART THOU" and other Old English dribble. But it still didn't fulfill my quest to completely understand my relationship with my Creator.

So, when I found PoD about a year ago, I felt like I found an old friend. Plus, when I saw "QUESTIONING PAUL", I was thrilled - I wasn't alone - and Paul really is a liar! I'm reading Yada Yahweh currently.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Thank you!