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Offline Yada  
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:07:46 PM(UTC)
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Quote:
June 26, 2008
Breakaway Catholic group rejects reconciliation deadline
By Francis X. Rocca

VATICAN CITY -- The leader of a breakaway group of conservative Catholics rejected a Vatican proposal for reconciliation, saying that last year's revival of traditional liturgy by the pope does not go far enough to undo decades of modernization in the church.


The group wasn't named. Does anyone know which group they're talking about?
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Offline bitnet  
#2 Posted : Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:55:26 PM(UTC)
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Shalom,

I think this is the article that you are seeking:


Bishop Fellay rejects Vatican conditions for reconciling split

Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos / Bishop Bernard Fellay

Winona, Jun 26, 2008 / 05:30 pm (CNA).- Bishop Bernard Fellay, the leader of the Society of St. Pius X, has rejected the terms offered by the Vatican for rejoining the Catholic Church. During a homily at one of his society’s seminaries on June 20, the schismatic bishop said that the five conditions for return were a message to “shut up.”

The reaction from Fellay came after Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, the head of the commission which oversees the reintroduction of the Latin Mass, sent a letter to the schismatic bishop outlining five conditions for the breakaway society to enter back into communion with Rome.

The Society of St. Pius X claims to be the true Catholic Church and says that the Catholic Church broke from the true faith with the reforms launched by Vatican II. In 1988 Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre consecrated four traditionalist bishops ignoring a warning from Pope John Paul II. The five prelates were subsequently excommunicated, and among them was Bishop Fellay.

"Rome is telling us, okay, we are ready to lift the excommunications, but you cannot continue this way," Bishop Fellay said in a sermon last Friday at an SSPX seminary in Winona, Minnesota. "So we have no choice... we are continuing what we've done," the Bishop Fellay said in English. "They just say 'shut up' ... we are not going ... to shut up."

While Fellay sees the recent permission to celebrate the Latin Mass as “very good,” he still sees the reforms of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) as unacceptable. "The new Mass is the tip of the iceberg of Vatican II and of these modern ideas." Adding the old Mass to the "iceberg of Vatican II" did not change the reforms hidden below, he said.

Among the five terms set out by the Vatican was the condition of avoiding “the premise of a Magisterium superior to that of the Holy Father and not to propose to the fraternity (St. Pius X) in opposition to the Church.” However, this condition cannot be met if the Society refuses to accept the teachings of Vatican II.

Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi French journalists that, “The recognition of Vatican Council II as the true ecumenical Council of the Church and the recognition of the validity of the Mass according to the liturgy revised after the Council are beyond discussion. The five points quoted by Tornielli are referred to the minimum conditions for a relationship based on respect and availability regarding the Holy Father and a constructive ecclesial spirit.”

Speaking about the conditions that Cardinal Hoyos gave to Bishop Fellay, Lombardi said, “The Pope wants to extend his hand so they can return, but for that to happen, this offer must be received in an attitude and spirit of charity and communion."

The deadline for Bishop Fellay to respond to Cardinal Hoyos is June 30, which is also the 20th anniversary of the bishops' ordinations that created the schism.

According to Tornielli, the five demands are the result of a June 4 meeting between the Cardinal and excommunicated Bishop Bernard Fellay, leader of the fraternity St. Pius X.

The Vatican demands require:

1. "a commitment to a response proportional to the generosity of the Pope,
2. "the commitment to avoid any public statement disrespectful to the person of the Holy Father and that could be negative to ecclesial charity,"
3. "the commitment to avoid the premise of a Magisterium superior to that of the Holy Father and not to propose to the fraternity (St. Pius X) in opposition to the Church,"
4. "the commitment to demonstrate the will to act honestly in full ecclesial charity and in full respect of the authority of the Vicar of Christ."
5. "to respect the date established for June 30, ... for responding positively. This will be a required condition and necessary as immediate preparation for the adherence to have full communion."
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Offline Yada  
#3 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 3:14:15 AM(UTC)
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I'm trying to understand this better - what exactly does it mean to be "in full communion with Rome" when apparently, according to SPX members, their 'sacraments' are 'valid' (whatever that means)?
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Offline Yada  
#4 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 4:11:09 AM(UTC)
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So to bring the venacular down to laymen's terms - if the "mojo" is 'good to go' now with the present sacraments in the SPX - does that mean that they would get "Grade-A mojo" if they were to come into full communion with Rome and accept the authority of the Pope?
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