Hello all. :)

Recently Yah has been poking me about healing. That is a different story altogether, that if I feel the need to post - or if someone would like me to post - I shall explain about.

So healing... at its base, what is it? Reliance on Yah... no?

Yah has been poking me about healing and about the medical profession, and how it takes our reliance off Him and onto man. So I have been doing some digging into the symbols of the medical industry that I would like to share and get some feedback from others in regards to it. :)

Ok in the "drugged" chapter of YY, Yada does talk about this, although I have probably not read that chapter in over a year now. I decided to do some of my own digging.

We have looked at symbols quite a lot in the forums, especially in regards to leadership and the illuminati / One World Order stuff. I have done a little digging recently into the symbols of the medical world.

Firstly we have the most recognisable symbol:



As you can see, it's 2 snakes around a rod, with some nice wing like things at the top...

This is the symbol I recognise most for medical things, and that's probably more thanks to American TV, as it's NOT actually the real symbol for medical things universally. See the following quote:



So what IS the symbol that should be used, and is it any better than twisting serpents and Greek gods...

The simple answer is.... no.



This is the actual symbol, before (what wikipedia calls)' the north American corruption...' (oh the irony...)

So what does this mean?



Now, we obviously know that these aren’t the greatest symbols to link to something that does so much "good"... but what else can we glean from the image?

Snakes in scripture - what picture prophetically does it paint?

Short answer? Satan and demon's in general.



This is one of many examples used and I think we all know that the use of snakes in prophetic language is to symbolise things that aren’t particularly "of Yah".

Surely this is a sign for us? A warning? Medical staff do so much good and save so many lives, surely it can't be of Satan? Surely Yah can use these people?

I don’t know anymore... from what Yah has been saying to me we should be reliant on Him and expect the miraculous.

This isn't a stab at any profession in particular, doc's or nurses - I grew up in hospitals as my parents worked in them all my life (they retired recently)

If I was going for a long shot on the whole image of the snake around the staff, I would say it's a picture of Satan entangling himself around the upright pole... Satan knows what he’s doing...

I’m trying to sound out ideas really... What does everyone else think?

Edited by user Monday, June 23, 2008 12:44:45 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Shalom,

One of the things that escape many people is the difference between the two staves mentioned above. However, they both belong to a pagan system that do not acknowledge the Creator. Contrary to what you think the caduceus of Hermes is not chosen wrongly! It was chosen because it is "an astrological symbol of commerce" and in respect "of Hermes, the messenger of the gods, conductor of the dead and protector of merchants and thieves."

The whole healthcare system has been turned on its head and become a medium to generate huge profits at the expense of the people. The people who fund healthcare research (drugs) also fund universities who turn out the personnel trained to use the drugs and methods that they develop in hospitals that they own financed by money taken from a financial system that is managed by them! Party to these incestuous relationships are governments which depend on the whole system to keep the population in reasonable health. The governments depend on the research and development and private sector contributions to keep the system going, and as such also plays ball by giving big pharma, hospitals universities and other players the leeway to control required resources.

That said, governments also do not encourage an ageing population that soaks up resources and close their eyes to a system that usually limits people's life to less than 80 years when Scripture and science says that we can live up to 120 years. If people were to truly learn that prevention is better than cure, the hospitals will go broke along with big pharma as well as governments! The herbal revival is a threat and alternative therapies are throwing spanners into their work so they are consistently attacking and discrediting natural cures. You can be sure that whatever allowances given to non-conventional therapies shall be closely watched. Incidentally, iatrogenic deaths in hospitals has become the leading cause of deaths in American hospitals, and not heart disease, accidents and cancer. Check out http://www.ourcivilisati...dicine/usamed/deaths.htm and seek out related articles on the web

So if you are a fan of Connections and know who James Burke is, please ask him to do a special episode on healthcare, education, finance, agriculture, governance and the pagan gods. For too long we have been playing with a deck of cards that was dealt from the bottom and expect to win, but the sharks at the table are working with each other to fleece you out of health and money.

Edited by user Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:55:48 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Shalom,

One of the problems that we have is that we are still largely dependent on others for physical healing. This debate has gone on unabated in some Christian denominations that regard the medical profession with disdain, and a total reliance upon God is a prerequisite for healing. But I would not venture so far as to say that this displaces faith (in each individual) in the Eternal who provides according to our needs in various times. We've all heard the story about the chap during the flood...

The river broke its banks and flooded a small town. As the water began to rise, people were to told to evacuate. Anthony decided to put his things up on the first floor and wait. When a Red Cross rescue truck came by, Anthony waived him off from the top of a table saying, "Don't worry about me, God will save me." The waters continued to rise and Anthony moved up to the first floor balcony. A Red Cross rescue boat came by but Anthony said, "I have faith that God will save me. You go on helping others." However, the waters continued to rise and Anthony was forced up to the roof. An army rescue helicopter came by to pull Anthony to safety but again Anthony said, "I am sure that God will prove to be my saviour. I have faith in him." And the helicopter left. Soon after, the flood waters swept Anthony off and he drowned. After passing through Pearly Gates, Anthony asked God, "I had faith in you, God, so why did you not save me?" God answered, "I sent a rescue truck, a boat and a helicopter but you refused to get on. So what am I to do?"

The matter of relying on hospitals is not unreasonable as the people are trained to deal with disease and injury, albeit up to a certain point. Don't forget that there may also be fellow believers who are honestly administering to the best of their abilities in healthcare. They may be in the system but not really part thereof. What is important is for us to trust that whatever action is taken is in accordance with His will for us to have healthy meaningful lives, and not live for the sake of being kept alive on machines, if you get my drift. Asking Abba Yahweh to heal us is an important part of our faith, but we must also avoid potential health problems! We cannot keep standing in the middle of a busy road and pray that a truck will not hit us. We have to move off to the kerb to a safe place.

Likewise, there are laws and principles of health that must be observed. Many people do not know these laws and succumb to their deleterious effects. For instance, not many people die of vector-borne diseases in developed countries but the cause of death by degenerative diseases is very high. That is because not many people understand that they are living in a chemical soup that affects their bodies. The soaps, shampoos, toothpaste, skin lotions, sunblock, cosmetics, dishwash and clothes detergent, etc. contain potentially harmful chemicals that may cause cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. The diets that we keep also affect our bodies. Leviticus and Deuteronomy contain gems of advice regarding safe healthy diets but we must be careful about modern GMO foods and chemical concoctions passed off as beverages as well as cigarettes and suchlike. Even if we are careful enough about these things, there are still no guarantees and we may be infected by a germ through a mosquito bite. But if we rely on Abba Yahweh to keep us healthy while taking all these precautions, it is unlikely that we shall fall ill easily. I'm not saying that it is foolproof but there is some effort required on our part. When He parted the Red Sea, the people had to cross themselves and not wait to be carried across to the other side.

So is it reliance on modern medical care that we place our faith into? Such that it jeopardises our personal faith? According to your faith, be it unto you. And let no man judge you for this should you wish to see a doctor for treatment and a prescription. That said, I am also thinking that we do have among the ekklesia members who are gifted with the powers of healing. Should you find yourself with this gift, please share it with us so that we may be healed through prayer. But remember that we must do our part and not partake of products that compromise our health in the first place. My business is in helping people understand this first important principle so that we do not put ourselves or Yahweh to the test.

I knew there was a reason I don't like doctors. Well, I knew it before this thread, as I have recently been debating with a nurse friend about doctors beign motivated my money. I thought she would agree, but she thinks they are mostivated by their values, and most value helping others over money. Her issue is the hospitals (as they are corporations) and the pharmacutical companies. Many doctors do fall prey to the pharmacuticals that pass out free things and give incentives to doctors to write prescriptions for certain drugs.

Years ago, I knew a youth pastor that was diagnossed with diabetes. He felt "God" telling him that he needed to fast and pray. So, against his doctor's request for him to not do this, and being told it would likely kill him, he checked into a hotel for three days and fasted and prayed. He did not die. In fact, when he went back to the doctor, he no longer had diabetes.

I think that is the kind of reliance on Yah that Rob is talking about. But, there are religious groups that completely forsake all doctors and say all healing should come through prayer to "God." Alot of these people die for easily curable things. Maybe it is because they rely on "God" and not Yahuweh? Or, perhaps we should make use of the resources provided to us and getting help from doctors is not a bad thing, as long as you keep your faith in Yahuweh that he will heal you and that you are not putting your faith in the doctor to heal you. The doctor is just a tool that Yahuweh is using.

All that said, other than major surgaries, I find that most doctors I have ever met are incompetent and know nothing more than I do. I have diagnosed myself and everyone I know long before a doctor does, and have cured these thins with natural remedies when doctors just want to run more tests and prescribe copious amounts of poisonous drugs.

I don’t believe that going to a hospital to seek medical treatment is a lack of trusting Yah, or even a lack of resting in him. I believe hospitals are business and they are in the business to make money, and doctors for the right and wrong reason do what they do and I have to trust that Yah will provided me a doctor when and only when needed. I rarely go to the hospital it’s lately been because of some one has died.

Let me ask you this, being that you are a dad, were your children born at a hospital? See I had a friend who almost lost a baby and the mother because of complications during delivery had they been at a hospital from the start the outcome would have been different. The critical thing is finding a doctor who supports your value and your wishes above theirs when it does not impair their ability to do a good job. If you want to lock your self in a room and wait, do it. If Yah tells you to go the hospital and you choose not to because your have "faith" I would be likely to say its not faith but pride. Proverbs is very clear about pride and what it will do to us and our surrounding. So either way I doubt that answers your question but that is what I think.

Healers are healers, and if they are not against the Kingdom of Yahweh then there is no problem. But be careful not to give your lives over to them! Many people I know have done just that and paid dearly, despite the alternatives that Abba Yahweh has provided.

Thanks to both of you for your answers. It still plays on my mind a fair bit - but to recent circumstances being that Todd Bentley is trying to take over the world I have been devoting alot of time to learning about him and where this revival comes from.

On another note - are the forums really slow for anyone else - or is it just me?

all ok now though LOL

Hate to sound like some sort of tree-hugging hippy, but everything we need is around us.

YHWH has provided for us, he has given us good things to eat - although humanity as a whole appears to be attempting to twist this as much as possible. He has given us what are now called 'natural', 'alternative' or 'herbal' medicines for ailments, including apricot kernels or Oleander soup for cancer, garlic for heart desease etc...

In terms of relying on YHWH, I think that one way to do this is to rely on what YHWH has given us. One thing I have realised is that mankind will tend to twist and corrupt everything that we have as a result of the ability to judge good from evil. If we arethe masters of our own world, then it is our job to make it 'better'.

I beleive that YHWH has given us everything we need, all we have to do is ask him what to use for this, that etc... I also think one of the main aims behind the 'Witch Hunts' that spread through Europe and the States in the 15th-18th centuries, was to destroy our knowledge of herb and healing lore and to enforce our dependancy on 'modern' manufactured medicine. I strongly think that we should be looking at returning to the ancient healing methods, many of which are outlined in the Tanakh - especially the bits about keeping clean!!!

Just like bitnet sais, if we eat properly (will be growing my own tomatoes soon) and keep away from the nasty chemicals that permeate every inch of our lives (including our water) and we depend on YHWH and what he has put here for us, I think we should find that we are ok.

As far as broken bones and deep cuts go - definately need docaters n hopitals for that until we have the knowledge to deal with things ourselves.

And who knew - as obviosly not aligned with YHWH as they are, Aerosmith made some really good music!!! (off topic I know, but just listening to their greatest hits album for the first time ever)