Robskiwarrior wrote:I personally did not remove your signature, that was a move independently by another mod.
And like I said, that's ok with me, but maybe you should develop a policy that when you alter someones post you state what was changed and why, or at least an email.
Quote:As I have said a few times now, the forums are for the discussion of the books attached to it. What I have said is all outlined in the
forum rules.
And according to that page I was in the guidelines of all the rules found there, reading the books was a request, not a prerequisite for posting.
It also states that it is a place to discuss Yahweh's word. So for you to have stopped my thread do to rule violations would mean you are calling my post false teachings, because all other aspects fell within the rules.
Quote:If you had read any of the literature attached to the site, your long little quiz could have been turned into a more pointed and useful question, rather than a loaded one. You could have then read the chapter that I had taken a small section out of and realised that it is the subject you are talking about is discussed in great length and researched very well, not only in this chapter but its also touched on in many other chapters. With this knowledge you would be able to make an informed question, either for or against and we could have started somewhere. Instead you decided to assume.
Point at hand
your long little quiz AND
With this knowledge you would be able to make an informed question, either for or against and we could have started somewhere. Instead you decided to assume.I have been on the net since before it was networked, I have been on many a forum in that time, and ran a few too. And this is the FIRST time I have seen a poster cut down for posting scripture followed by questions.
And the only thing I assumed was:
Quote: Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost?
Yahshua and the Set-Apart Spirit - manifestations of Yahweh vs the Trinity or other carbon copies of pagan gods.
Was a category for
discussing who played what role in the Father , son, and spirit, and ultimately what scripture says about it, and discussing each others view on it.
And if it was loaded, it was loaded with reasoning.
Bottom line was I entered a empty category that invited debate, I started a thread which in all my years of posting meant that I set the format for the thread. And even so when people answered my post, and did not actually reply to what I posted, I went with it, I was in no way rude, I stuck with scripture, all only to be cut off and told I'm not equipped.
Quote:Because our view point is significantly different from any Christian or any other theologies its better to start with reading a little about who the people you are talking to, then you can make an informed, logical and useful contribution.
As to say until then I'm not capable of making an informed, logical and useful contribution.
Quote:The book in itself primarily expands on scripture - and its really left for your own research, which the books educates you how to do correctly and promotes the position that the author is only putting certain ideas forward for discussion. Yada & Ken are the first to admit their work isn’t perfect, and actively look for people to bring up issues with them, actually Yada gets worried if we don’t give constructive feedback. The books are revised when revision needs to be made, nothing in the book is set in stone - but it looks to expand scripture as much as it can, hence its length. Again if you had taken the time to even read the introduction, you would know this too. The books attached to this site, aren’t your average books.
With this in mind, did I not give constructive feedback on the book, you see this is what I noticed, someone points me to a chapter in a book, in response to something I said, this leads me to think that the persons answer can be found in the text. In reading it, I point out what seems to be some very flawed thinking, and I point this out WITH SCRIPTURE.
Now if I am wrong about this, why has no one set me straight on it, or at least pointed me to the page in the book that would set me straight?
So I see two possible answers here, either I am wrong and no one cares to point out why, or I am right and without even reading the book, I have made a good contribution of constructive feedback.
I look forward to knowing which one it is.
Quote:In no way does anyone hold anything that these books say (other than the actual scripture inside them) higher than scripture - I understand your concerns about this because I have also seen the result of people taking the writings of man over what is in scripture - I think if anyone ever did Yada and Ken would be mortified, and I would be most perplexed. It scares me when I see Christians taking the word of Rick Warren and other Christian writers as if its scripture!
Then honestly you should step back and look at what your saying here, You are trying to make all discussions revolve around what these books say about scripture, now if some here want to do that then great, but to ask all to do this will bring about a group of people that will find authority in these books over scripture, these books might be a good help for some to define scripture, but some people understand that scripture can define scripture better then any other source.
Point at hand, your next quote.
Quote:I know I am in a place where I can take on information, but flags pop up when people come on to this site without regards to the forum rules and expect reasonable debate on their terms when they have no idea about what we think, who we are or anything like that.
Have you ever tried to teach or talk to a minister or a preacher at a standard christian church to show them how they might be wrong, I have, and they have come up with some very unconvincing arguments against what I tell them, This because you are telling them that they could be wrong about something, and they simply are not going to hear it.
Now do you need to read the book of Mormon to understand scriptures, of course not. In fact it could hinder your understanding, but going to one of their forums you could offer them much good advice, but your above quote sounds exactly like what I would run into on a Mormon forum. They don't put final authority on scripture, they put it on a book that they say is the true understanding of scripture.
It is wrong for you to 1, say I'm breaking the rules, because really I did not, I just did not take it's advice. 2, to say that one must post on your terms {topics from the books) even when they are the topic starter.
Quote:We do have a number of people who enter the site promoting their own ideas as fact, its something we guard against.
Have a good day at work; I hope you're not too late! :)
And you should guard against that, but you will better do that by prepared responses to their claim, responses that aren't always quotes from a source book other then scripture.
And thank you I made to work with one minute to spare.
May Yahweh bless.