Robski wrote: then sadly...???Sadly your worthy discourse up to the final paragraph culminated after (then) descending a little, into an apparent derogatory tone.
Robski wrote: You talk the talk... The best I can offer is the ‘talk’ that, from my keyboard I am given at any respective time. If there is better talk to come at some later date, then that will delight no-one more than YimF. In the case my friend, that this continues to be outside your personal requirements, then I’m afraid I have nothing better to offer you right now. Even so, please be assured - my warmth towards you as a my brother will not permit me to hold it against you - even if I wanted to.
Robski wrote: I'm not clenching fists, nor attacking or feeling any pain - I am mealy pointing out something that might help, that is all. I was not writing about you as my purpose was purely generic – not meant to be directed at any individual whatsover.
The point was more an observation about the sad circumstances that develop and often take over when people become heated over any discussion, and it seems to me that in their determination (through fear) to refuse any personal shifting - but demand it of the other, will often lead to a descending into personal attack rather than dealing logically with the issue under contention.
This generally leads to much pain blended with more fear = anger, which results in the counter-attack, which almost invariably increases the ante in return. And so it goes in the world of testosterone charged ‘discussion’ in regards spiritual topics particularly – for this observation is most often witnessed as a male ‘thing’, and being a male myself, I have endured and contributed to enough of this kind of nonsense to see me through, thank you.
Robski wrote: Its not the topic that is getting up the noses of people, its the attitude you portray.Well, I am not quite sure just how to respond to this one. My attitude is really quite a personal thing, and surely it is possible to project outwards some level of ‘attitude’, that we might feel is not where we actually live. Unfortunately, like you I have only my keyboard to express myself, which I work at doing to the best of my abilities – in the aim of clarity and love.
So I will thank you my friend, and take your supportive observation on board, and work to be a little more ‘me’ in future. On the other hand, I guess that as I am unaware of what it is about YimF that is so offensive generally, it is entirely possible that this extra effort at being ‘me’ may see YimF as growing into an even greater stench in your nostrils.
At the end of it all, I guess it is fair to note that in the world of spiritual understanding, someone will be offended by the way another might present their point/argument, but possibly it might be a little more productive if we could work towards seeing past the perhaps unpleasant foibles and idiosyncrasies of others in the interest of a greater understanding and elevated love - for all interested in such things.
Robski wrote: No one said you lacked maturity.I was not making a statement about my age, personal levels of maturity, nor anything stated from within.
It is that; I personally see myself as lacking sufficient longevity within this forum, and therefore am reticent to unsettle the status quo – is all.
Robski wrote: Waves aren’t an issue, we don’t mind pokes or questions or points of view - the idea of the forums is to dissect what was written in the books to see if it stands up to what they claim, and if not, to edit them and grow in understanding. A truly noble purpose if I may say so, and well explained also.
According to a previous posting; I pray that the eating of this pudding is as promised from within the recipe. I have been involved in this kind of forum before, and they all promote similar ideals to the ones above, however they seem to fall at that last hurdle – for they promise very much, and the tasting is sweet enough on the tongue, yet they can become rather bitter in the stomach. I will go no further in that analogy, but suffice to say; it doesn’t auger too well in the end.
The aim of YimF above all else is to be as trusting and obedient to YAH as I can possibly be. I know that this sounds like so many statements that we have all heard before, yet I can only put myself out there as cleanly as I can, and then it is my choice to leave the rest up to YAH – to judge, promote, and even destroy – according to HIS will.
Ultimately, I have to admit that my previous expression that (most likely) led to this latter discussion did not properly reflect my position. Truly, I have no intention to be stuck in concrete and refuse to shift - on any spiritual understanding - ever. For like you; as a Christian, I endured years of being stuck solid in the untested beliefs of others through religious observance, and I really don't wish to go back there. So, even though I have to admit that on some things I am less flexible than maybe I should be, yet I think we all have stronger beliefs about some things than others, which makes us harder to shift on those, right?
In the end, I do not mind entering into discussion on any topic from any book, as long as it is fully accepted that YimF does NOT have all the answers, and most often will only have questions. The ‘rapture’ is a case in point, for it is a topic that no matter what I have previously read, as being put up for this doctrine from scripture, almost invariably reads as basically at variance to what I have believed. So until I am convinced otherwise, I can only take what I have read (so far) as being out of sync with my understanding, which leaves me in the position of only having questions on a topic that maybe I don't fully understand.
So in the interests of ‘growth in understanding’; if you would personally like to throw a couple (at a time please) of texts at me, to see if I can commence to understanding your perspective, please feel free to do so. I assure you if I can see nothing alternative (at that time), I will happily admit to it – as long as we can agree that I can come look at it again, if something new presents itself.
Robski wrote: I'm guilty as charged with the ungrammatical and misspellings :D ;) I was NOT referring to you, or anybody else for that matter, but another generic observation. In fact, I might add that I often find the greatest treasures from within the messiest of sources.
Robski wrote: That is the point of the forums. We are here to bounce ideas around, to rip things apart and get to that nugget of truth that might be hiding somewhere. For things like a pre-tribulation rapture argument (for example), if you can bring proper rebuttal that is from scripture and context that disproves it, then great! If not, maybe you should look at your own understanding, instead of saying things like "for I have never, and have no future intention to embrace it." because that is illogical. It’s like someone showing you evidence for the liquid form of water being changed into ice, and decided to believe it doesn’t happen, because that’s what you think.
I'm really not trying to cause any kind of rift, attack but mealy pointing out things that concern me. I don’t do PC, if its a spade I will call it a spade. It must be something to do with being an English northerner. lol.My mother is an English northerner, so I have no trouble being extremely appreciative indeed of the frank and honest and genuine nature of anyone from that region. I can personally see nothing of lesser character in the person behind ‘Robski’.
Even so, I am left wondering why this seems to have become a seeming delving into the individual that is behind YimF? Please understand I am not complaining, and more than happy to engage you or anyone else on any subject (including YimF), and I guess it is always worth a little interest to ‘know’ something about who it is that we communicate with via such impersonal means as the internet.
Therefore I would now like to ask of you, my beloved Robski; in keeping with your genuine northern English nature – to call this spade by the most correct and lucid term, by replying to this question - In order that we may get down to the business of my FATHER; is there anything else that concerns you about YimF?
Grace and peace to you.
"So knowledge isn't the main measure, love of Yah and of each other is."
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