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Offline Yada  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:29:03 PM(UTC)
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During a video presentation I heard a lecturer, an ex-Catholic himself, claim that prior to Vatican II it was a mortal sin to read the Bible. I thought this was outlandish, but after a search online I came across the following:

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Catholic Dilemma: Reading the Bible

* FACT 1: Until the present generation, the Roman Catholic Church forbade her people to read the Bible for themselves under pain of 'mortal sin.' That is, the Catholic who owned or read the Bible was de facto condemned to Hell.

Evidence:

The Bible was placed on Rome's Index of Forbidden Books list by the Council of Toulouse/Toledo in the year 1229. It remained there until the index was discontinued at Vatican Council II. Anyone reading or owning a 'forbidden' book was anathematized, or cursed and remanded to hell for doing so.

Cannon 14 from the Council of Toulouse says that the Roman Catholic Church:

"Forbids the laity to have in their possession any copy of the books of the Old and New Testament.... and most strictly forbids these works in the vulgar tongue."

Roman Catholic apologist Karl Keating confirms this fact when he writes that, "the bishops at Toulouse restricted the use of the Bible until the [Albigensian] heresy was ended." (Page 45, Catholicism and Fundamentalism, by Karl Keating). The peculiar thing is that the Bible remained on the Index of Forbidden Books for another 730 years! In his dance with truth, Mr. Keating takes care to omit this little fact.

Still More Evidence. This teaching was confirmed at the Council of Trent (Session IV, April 8, 1546 Decree Concerning the Canonical Scriptures). The Council of Trent went further, stating that anyone who dared study Scriptures on their own must "be punished with the penalties by law established." With incredible audacity, the Council of Trent went so far as to forbid even the printing of and sale of the Bible! Anyone daring to violate this decree was anathematized, or cursed and damned to Hell for it. (Dogmatic Cannons and Decrees of the Council of Trent..., pages 11-13; Copyright 1977, 1912, with Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat. Tan Books and Publishers, P.O. Box 424, Rockford, IL 61105)

Still More Evidence Liguori, the most respected of Cannon Lawyers in the Roman Catholic Church, wrote that, "The Scriptures and books of Controversy may not be permitted in the vulgar tongue, as also they cannot be read without permission."

And Yet Even More Evidence Pope Clement XI (1713), in his bull Unigenitus, wrote that "We strictly forbid them [the laity] to have the books of the Old and New Testament in the vulgar tongue."

* FACT 2: Since Vatican Council II (1965) The Roman Catholic Church now permits her people to read the Bible, and even offers an 'indulgence' of three hundred days off of Purgatory time for doing, if they read in for at least fifteen minutes at one sitting. (The Holy Bible, Douay-Confraternity version Title Page overleaf.)

* FACT 3: Vatican Council II confirmed all pronouncements of the Council of Trent, which, as we see above, forbade the Bible to the people.

The Dilemma

QUESTION: Is it morally correct that some fry in Hell and others do not fry in Hell when both did exactly the same thing-read the Bible? Yes No

QUESTION: Since the Catholic law has changed, will God release from Hell those who read the Bible between the Council of Trent and the 1950's, when the Roman Catholic Church seemingly changed its mind? Yes No

QUESTION: Is it possible that reading the Bible is, despite Rome's historical condemnation of it, is pleasing to God? Yes No

QUESTION: Vatican Council II permitted the Bible to the people in their own language. The same Council also confirmed the Council of Trent, which forbade the Bible to the people in their own language. How do you reconcile this contradiction? Your Answer?

QUESTION: How do you reconcile a God who does not change His laws with a church that does? Your Answer?


You can find the page I found the above here.

Edited by user Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:19:48 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Robskiwarrior  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:12:41 AM(UTC)
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wow :) thats a good one! Vatican Council I catholics are still around today, I wonder if they know and what they think about this?
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Offline bitnet  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:02:39 AM(UTC)
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Shalom All,

The above cannot be refuted. When the Good News Bible came out with an imprimatur (seal of approval by the Catholic Church), many Catholics flocked to buy a copy. I too bought a copy as prior to that we were told not to read the "distorted" Protestant versions as it is against the faith.

It is amazing what the Catholic Church did to control the believers. Until Vatican II, they operated like the Muslims... must use a special language for prayer and worship, only in this case it was Latin. By keeping the Word out of people's hands, they could institute any tradition they wanted as nobody could refute them. Tyndale and Wycliffe did much for and with the Scriptures (flaws notwithstanding) centuries earlier for believers but it was tradition that drove the Catholic Church until the mid-20th century. Since Vatican II, many Catholics have had their eyes opened but many more still refuse to accept that their learned priests, elders and parents could have been wrong, especially when led by an infallible pope... It takes the Set-Apart Spirit to open their hearts to the Almighty Creator not to believe in man but in the Word.
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