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Offline needhelp  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:37:17 AM(UTC)
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And (wa) unto (‘el – toward) your husband (‘ish – man) you
will have strong emotional feelings (tasuqah – desires and longings) and (wa) he
(huw’) will have dominion (mashal – rule) over (ba ‘eth – in association with)
you.’” (Bare’syth / In the Beginning / Genesis 3:16)


We know that Yahowah doesn't approve of ruling over
one another, so couldn't this read :

will have dominion (mashal – rule) with (ba ‘eth – in association with) you.’”


ba – near, with, and in proximity to (only thing I could find
about "ba")

854 'eth ayth
probably from 579; properly, nearness (used only as a preposition or an adverb), near; hence, generally, with, by,
at, among, etc.:--against, among, before, by, for, from, in(-to), (out) of, with. Often with another prepositional
prefix. see SH579

Offline JamesH  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:45:12 AM(UTC)
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Hi needhelp
This is what I came up with


Rule
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Rule?s=t


Exodus 3 : 16

ishshah amar rabah rabah itstsabown shama ben iysh tshuwqah mashal

S802 ishshah                         S559 amar                     S7235 rabah
woman; fem. of S376          to say, speak, tell            increase 

S7235 rabah             S6093 itstsabown                     S8085 shama
increase                          worrisome, i. e. labor or pain       to hear( with impl. of attention )

S1121 ben                                              S376 iysh
son, or M, F offspring       and       to be extant ; a man as an individual

  S8669 tshuwqah                                                             S4910 mashal
  stretching out after; a longing:- desire      and         to rule, reign, have dominion

Translation
( Yahowah ) said to the women I will greatly increase your worrisome labor pain you will hear and attend to your offspring and you will have a longing:- desire to your husband and your husband will rule


Needhelp
I don't know where Yah says he doesn't approve of ruling over one another.

S4910 mashal meaning ( to rule ) is used 81x

I have noticed a difference in how one rules i. e.  towb ( good )  or  ra ( evil )
Offline needhelp  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:52:27 AM(UTC)
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These are a few definitions on the Bass Pro advertisement page.
I see nothing good here. Suboordination , submission ,
obedience. Give me a break. Male or female , this is no good.
What happened to Freewill???
And where is "ba ‘eth"

"mashal meaning ( to rule ) is used 81x"

Total KJV Occurrences: • LORD, 6425 -- doesn't make right
or good

rule:
an authoritative regulation or direction concerning method or procedure, as for a court of law, legislative body, game, or other human institution or activity: judges' rules; play according to the rules

the exercise of governmental authority or control: the rule of Caesar

rule the roost, rule the roast to be pre-eminent; be in charge
.
a principle or regulation governing conduct, action, procedure, arrangement, etc.: the rules of chess.

the code of regulations observed by a religious order or congregation: the Franciscan rule.

the customary or normal circumstance, occurrence, manner, practice, quality, etc.: the rule rather than the exception.

control, government, or dominion: under the rule of a dictator.

tenure or conduct of reign or office: during the rule of George III

to control or direct; exercise dominating power, authority, or influence over; govern: to rule the empire with severity.

to decide or declare judicially or authoritatively; decree: The judge ruled that he should be exiled.

Synonyms
1. standard, law, ruling, guide, precept, order. See principle. 4. command, domination, mastery, sway, authority, direction. 13. Rule, administer, command, govern, manage mean to exercise authoritative guidance or direction. Rule implies the exercise of authority as by a sovereign: to rule a kingdom. Administer places emphasis on the planned and orderly procedures used: to administer the finances of an institution. Command suggests military authority and the power to exact obedience; to be in command of: to command a ship. To govern is authoritatively to guide or direct persons or things, especially in the affairs of a large administrative unit: to govern a state. To manage is to conduct affairs, i.e., to guide them in a unified way toward a definite goal, or to direct or control people, often by tact, address, or artifice: to manage a business. 14. order, judge.
Offline JamesH  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:41:28 AM(UTC)
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Hi Needhelp

If rule is not the correct translation for mashal
What should the correct translation be for mashal ?

I don't see baeth used in Exodus 3 : 16 in the original Hebrew 

Should the man be the head of the family?
Offline JamesH  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:51:18 AM(UTC)
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Genesis 3 : 17

17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:


adam amar shama qowl ishshah akal ets

S120 adam              S559 amar                                            S8085 shama
man; mankind;          to say, speak,             because             to hear

S6963 qowl                     S802 ishshah             S398 akal        S6086 ets
to call aloud; a voice          female, wife               to eat           a tree


Seams like part of Adams punishment was for listening to his wife. 
Although I can't say, " I would not have done the same thing "


Needhelp,
You asked,  " what happened to free will ? "

Our free will is the choice to "do " or " not do" what our rulers tell us.
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