I think a lot of this was addressed on the forum before I will see if I can find the thread.
needshelp wrote: Hope this is the right place for this. What do ya'll think about
Chawah? Is she saved or not?
I would say yes. Just as Adam was reconciled so was Chawah. The very first thing Yah did was cloth them in coats of skin. I would be willing to bet that the cloths were made of lamb skin. We see Yah go on to have a relationship with both of them, so I am inclined to say the relationship was reconciled, once again with Yah doing all the work.
wrote:Adam was right there with her
and took the fruit willingly. I don't think the snake could have
gotten him to take it without her. We don't know for sure how
long he was in the garden before her, because time didn't
start until they were evicted. But he apparently knew Yahowah
well. Back to Chawah, doesn't her persuading Adam to eat
the fruit make her one of Satan's allies, drawing Adam away
from Yahowah?
It makes her the adversaries stooge, but not necessarily an ally. Many who were duped by Christianity wen out evangelizing and spreading Christianity and then later came to a relationship with Yah once they realized that it was wrong, even Yada used to be a Christian. So why would it be any different for Chawah. She was beguiled by the Serpent, she did wrong, but she turned from it and returned to Yah, and judging from the narrative it seems to me that Yah embraced her and Adam, they could no longer be in Eden, but they continued to have a relationship with Him.
wrote:Does that mean she is separated from Yahowah
forever? There were no Passover Miqra then. No Matsah, no
Bikurym, etc. Was she saved? How? What about Adam?
As I stated above I am inclined to see Yah making them coats of skin, which would have necessitated the killing of an animal, as Yah making a sacrifice to atone for their missing the mark.
wrote:I've read many theories about this, but am still confused.
Could they have had children who didn't eat the fruit, and
we're not told about them because it doesn't matter now?
Quite possibly, but as you stated it doesn’t matter, and if it did Yah would have told us.
wrote:They stayed with Yahowah. Did Adam and Chawah rise with
the saints of Matthw 27? What about Moseh and Abraham?
I would say yes on all accounts.
wrote:Chawah actively got Adam to eat, taking him away from
Yahowah. Does the fact that he chose to eat, using his freewill,
absolve her from alliance with satan? Was she not the first
convert of satan? Are women held to a different rule than men?
Is it harder for women to know Yahowah than men? Is Chawah
Yahowah's daughter or not. Condemned or saved?
Judging from the text she handed him the fruit and he ate, I don’t know that I would describe that as active. Adam made his choice and Chawah hers, you can no more blame Chawah for Adam’s choice as you could Adam for Chawah’s.
I don’t think women are held to different standards than men, there is but one Torah. Is it harder for women to know Yahowah than men? At the risk of angering some, including my wife, I would say yes, by in large. The reason being women are for the most part, I am not speaking of all, more emotionally driven than men. So it is more difficult for a woman to accept that what she believes is untrue than it is for a man. It is more difficult for a woman to put aside how something makes her feel and accept the Truth. Really this is a compliment to all the women here who have come to know Yah, you had to give up a lot more than men do to come to know Yah.
dajstill wrote:Did she persuade him? It is hard to figure out because in verse 3:6 it says "And she also gave to her husband with her, and he ate". Was he standing there next to her? Did he try to stop her?
This is why I remember that this came up before. When I went through and examined it, it really does seem to indicate that Adam was standing next to her the whole time. It never says she went to get him, or that he arrived, it mentions no time passing at all. So it seems very likely that Adam was standing there the whole time watching, but not saying anything. I can’t say for certain, but that seems to me to be what is written.
wrote:I also find it interesting that it says in verse 7: "Then the yes of both of them were opened ..."
Were her eyes not opened until Adam ate? Did she say "Hey, I ate it and I didn't die, so you eat it". Who gave her the instructions on not eating because she got confused right from the start when she said she wasn't even supposed to touch the tree.
Another reason I see this as happening rather quickly. She ate, handed it to him and he ate, and their eyes were opened. Not she ate, her eyes were opened, then she found him and he ate and his eyes were open. This all seems to have happened very fast.
wrote:Yahowah doesn't seem to be overly harsh with Chawah and treat her like a child of satan. She credits Yahowah with providing her Seth. So, I don't really see her as being an "adversary" with satan so much as being beguiled by him.
Agreed. It seems to me that both went on to enjoy a relationship with Yah.
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