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M wrote:"However, those who elect not to rely on Yahweh, and who are left as an impurity in the crucible, will find themselves judged at the end of their mortal lives. And the victims who submit to religious indoctrination will find their souls separated as dross, ultimately ceasing to matter, returning to the ground from which they were made. In the crucible metaphor, souls who don’t accept God’s way out are "burned off" into nothingness, while their oppressors are left confined for all time. And yet those who rely upon Yahweh, walk with Him away from judgment and to the Promised Land." There is no righteousness in this statement. You are condemning the unrighteous with the decieved. That isn't justice.
Pauls comment about the law comes from Nehemiah; Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law............. Neh 10:29 They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes; Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him. (A law no one could obey) Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. (A law no one could obey) Deu 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. (a law no one could obey) I submit to you this; There is only one that could obey the law. There is only one that ever could. Yahuweh himself. No other man had ever obeyed the law without sin. He came and fullfilled the law for us, that we may not be cursed by his righteousness, because we ALL SIN. ( 1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Throwing Galatians away while the rest of the NT agrees with it is pure hypocracy. As far as faith is concerned, you stated; "But these Galatians passages certainly suggest that Christian theologians are justified in their interpretation of Paul’s message when they cite this letter as evidence that the Torah is an outdated burden which enslaves, and when they preach that Paul’s "faith" liberates. But why is it that not one Christian theologian has the character, courage, and intellectual integrity to say that Paul’s position, if Christians have interpreted it correctly, is diametrically opposed to Yahshua’s teaching on the subject of salvation, and his statements are in direct conflict with Scripture?" The Torah IS NOT OUTDATED. Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Here is some scriptural understanding of faith; Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? (Do you understand this?) Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?. (You see?)
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. There is no such thing as simply "believeing", because "faith" is the motivation for "works". Works of the Law? Heaven forbid. Obedience to the NT ESTABLISHES THE LAW in the saviour. Let me give you an example of obedience to the NT. Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, AND TO ALL THAT ARE AFAR OFF, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Yashua made this statement twice; Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the NEW TESTAMENT, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. I looked up "new" in strongs. it doesn't appear to to be as though it means "renewed". Also, you are throwing the book of Hebrews out when you chunk out Galatians; Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. You had better get past the concept of two Gods; Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE: Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And finally, written by Luke. Not Paul; Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
I find it amazing that you have the ability to follow single words back their orgins, but seem to lack the ability to draw simple conclusions. Here is the "passover"; 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Man I could go on and on. Obey the word of God; And learn who he is, not just his name; If his name is all you know you will be found lacking. 2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that KNOW NOT GOD, and that OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Faith without works is dead. Here is where obedience begins; Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. It seems to me that you are trying to have a "relationship with God", but you are unwilling to have that relationship on his terms. If you truly believe that their is a new, or "renewed" testament, try following it. You may be enlightened. 2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them.......... He paid that price by FULFILLING THE LAW. Either do it his way, or just chunk the whole NT. I would advise you not to gather people to yourself. Thats deception. We have enough of that in the world. Please understand, I mean you no harm, nor am I trying to "cut you down". A lot of your work is brilliant, and I think your a good person. I just don't want you to take my words wrongly Yada. Sincerely, M Yada wrote:Mark, Like so many others, your perspective is so deeply rooted in the myth and misconceptions of Pauline Christianity you are unable to process Yahowah's testimony. I am stating what Yahowah has told us. So your accusation is against God, not me. The quoted statement isn't capricious or unjust. Those who do not know, trust, rely upon, observe, and engage in Yahowah's Covenant, Towrah, and Called-Out Assemblies are judged. That is not my opinion, but Yahowah's message. Further, according to Yah those who deceived others will spend their eternity separated from God. Their victims, the deceived, however, are not punished. They simply cease to exist. That is not a punishment. Having only heaven and hell as Christians teach is unjust. That is why most mortal souls simply cease to exist at the end of their earthly lives. They do not know God and God does not know them. The Ma'aseyah Yahowsha' told us this several times. Most everything Paul said is untrue. In fact you have to be irrational to believe that "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law." It is after all Yahowah's Towrah. Paul's ploy is always the same. He takes something Yahowah has revealed out of context, misquotes it, and then twists his version to suit his agenda. It is exactly what was done in the first two quotes you shared. So, if by recognizing that you have been mislead by Paul in this way, you are now prepared to reject Paul's testimony and religion, then you will have taken the first step toward the truth. If not, you should read www.QuestioningPaul.com. Before you will have any chance of understanding, much less walking to and with Yah, you will have to first reject and then walk away from your religion. Doing so is the lone prerequisite for engaging in Yahowah's Covenant. It is the last thing Yahowsha' asked of us. Your translation of Nehemiah 10.29-30 isn't even remotely accurate. There is no curse. And the Towrah is the very thing the people are committing themselves to observe and participate in. The passage reads: “ And (wa) the remnant (sha’ar – the remainder) of the family (ha ‘am – the related people and kin) , the priests (ha kohen – ministers) , the Lewy (ha lewy – those who Unite) , the gatekeepers (ha sow’er – those who stand guard at the doorway) , the singers and musicians (syr) , the servants (natyn – those doing chores often in association with the Temple) , and all (wa kol) those who have separated themselves (badal – who have dismissed, left, moved away, and set themselves apart (niphal participle – which means that as a result of their relationship they have become what they have done: that by separating they have become set apart)) from (min) the people (‘am – related families) of the earth (ha ‘erets – of the realms and lands) unto (‘el – toward the direction of) the Towrah (Towrah – Torah Instruction and Teaching, Guidance and Direction: from tow – a signed, written, and enduring, tuwr – means to search for, find, and choose, yarah – instruction, teaching, guidance, and direction, which tuwb – provides answers which facilitate our restoration and return, that are towb – good, pleasing, joyful, beneficial, favorable, healing, and right, even tahowr and tohorah – purifying and cleansing, thereby towr – giving us the opportunity and means to change our thinking, attitude, and direction to one that is more fortuitous and beneficial) of the Almighty God (ha ‘elohym) , their wives (‘ishah – women) , their sons (beny) , and their daughters (wa bat) , all (kol) those who had come to actually know and genuinely understand (yada’ byn – who were familiar with discernment (qal participle, telling us that those who actually knew and understood were now actually known and understood)) , prevailing (chazaq – restoring, courageously strengthening, resolutely establishing (hiphil participle affirming that with both parties engaged in the relationship, they became restored, resolute, and strong)) upon (‘al) their honorable (‘adyr – respected) brothers (‘ach – kinsmen) to genuinely move toward and actually pursue (bow’ – to come (qal participle thereby affirming that this movement was real and that by pursuing [the Torah] they were pursued [by God])) with (ba – in) a binding oath (‘alah – a sworn promise) and (wa) vow (sabuw’ah – a contractual promise to fulfill an agreement between parties in full conformity with the truth) to (la) actually walk (halak – to genuinely move through life and make progress (qal infinitive construct, which when following la denotes a sense of purpose)) in (ba) the Towrah (Towrah – Teaching, Direction, Instruction, and Guidance) of the Almighty (ha ‘elohym – God) , which relationally (‘asher – which based upon this relationship) was given (natan – was bestowed and provided (niphal perfect indicating that this gift was inspired by a relationship and that it was complete, lacking nothing)) by way of (ba) the hand of (yad) Moseh (Moseh – from mashah – the one who draws out) , the servant of (‘ebed – associate and coworker of) God, the Almighty (ha ‘elohym) , and to (wa la) be especially observant (shamar – to closely examine, carefully consider, thoughtfully contemplate and evaluate [the Towrah](qal infinitive construct denoting genuineness and purpose)) , and to (wa la) actively engage in (‘asah ‘eth – to actually participate in, do, celebrate, and profit from (qal infinitive construct affirming that this commitment is both real and that it serves an actual purpose)) all of (kol) Yahowah’s (Yahowah) , our Upright One’s (‘edown – our Foundation’s), terms and conditions (mitswah – authoritative directives regarding the binding contract) , means used to achieve justice and resolve disputes (mishpat – the basis upon which judgment will be exercised and sound decisions are made) , and (wa) clearly communicated prescriptions and decrees (choq – shared and nourishing thoughts regarding an allocation of something from the whole) .” (Nachemyah / Yahowah Comforts / Nehemiah 10:29-30) Mark, if this is not sufficient to help you leave the lie of your Pauline religion and walk to the truth, nothing anyone can tell you, and that includes God Himself, will save you from your religion. You are currently choosing to trust a man who based upon his claims cannot be right, rather than trust God who proved that He is right. I did not read any more of your letter because I recognized that this alone was sufficient if your mind is open. And if not, nothing else I shared with you would resonate. Yada PS: Thanks for providing the connection between Paul and this verse. I'll include it in the Introduction to God. M wrote:"His positioning of Judaism as a ruthless enemy of "God’s church" has fanned the flames of anti-Semitism and caused horrible and needless suffering. Translations exacerbated the problem to be sure, but it was Paul who presented Judaism as the enemy of his faith: Christianity. The foreseeable and inevitable consequence was to rally Christians to persecute Jews out of a misguided sense of divine retribution." What you say is true. However it is very important to understand, that the "Christians" that engaged in this behaviour are condemned by the Gospel itself, in the writings of Paul....no less..... Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Rom 11:26 AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED(MY CAPS): as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I SHALL TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS. Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. Any hatred of Jews by Christians is uncalled for, and a sin. For by the Law and prophets we recieved a saviour. God himself. We should above all, be grateful to those who are the people and the lineage of Yashua. The above scripture should be self explanitory, and this is the scripture used to come to the conclusion I have about Jews; Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; It would be unrighteous to hate him which has had a hand in our salvation........................... M Yada wrote:M,
Please stop quoting and trusting Paul. He was a false prophet, a false apostle, and a very, very evil man. And if you don't recognize this, as I myself was unaware, then read Questioning Paul. It is impossible to reconcile Paul's statements with Yahowsha's or Yahowah's. And that makes Paul a liar. Period.
Yada M wrote:Since you answered my email I WILL study deeper, and will study "questioning Paul". I do not intend to let the matter lay. I want the truth. Thank you for your time Yada. Also, thank you for your studies. M Yada wrote:M, that is a wise and good decision. My hope for you is that you will come to appreciate the case Yahowah and Yahowsha' make against Paul, and thereby reject his testimony. From there it will be much easier for you to walk away from Christianity, knowing that by doing so you will find Yahowah, engage in His Covenant, and rely upon His plan of salvation. From what I have learned these things cannot be done without an open mind, the motivation to invest the time, and the will to accept the truth even when it destroys one's religious beliefs. That is why walking away from Babylon, which is manifest today in Christianity, is the lone prerequisite of the Covenant. There are then four additional requirements, all of which you will learn in time.
I can now say for absolute certain that Paul and Christianity are in opposition to Yahowah and thus untrue. And that if you read both QP and the Introduction to God, you will come to know Yah, understand His Towrah, appreciate His Covenant, and rely upon His Called-Out Meetings--that is if you do so with an open mind.
Please write me again if you complete this journey. I promise, it will be worth your time. You will find the truth and discover who has been lying to you.
I was once in your shoes, and would have responded just as you have done. But something happened to cause me to question bible translations, and then my religion. And like you, I wanted the truth. I was not willing to let the matter lie. And I found it, as will you, because the Truth is in the place Yahowsha' told us to look, as did Yahowah.
May Yahowah guide and bless your search.
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