flintface wrote:Walt, as one who in the past slept for years with severe chronic depression and who frequently engaged in heavy petting with suicide almost to the point of going all the way numerous times, I can tell you this: the only thing that stayed my hand from self-murder was the absolute certainty that killing myself would be spiritual suicide as well. Self-extermination is the ultimate act of unbelief, a spiteful spitting into Yahowah's face while screaming, "You're a LIAR!" The terror invoked by considering facing Him after such an act kept me alive until He was finally able to open my eyes and mind to His truths, which led me out of Christianity and its impotent teachings.
The bottom line is, "Don't do it." I mean that, brother. Just don't.
Richard
Having followed this thread along from a distance - seeing it targets more at our human emotion - our 'feelings' as the intended bullseye, and in a sense does seem to bypassing and circumvent the whole trust and reliance aspect of what Yah in Towrah would have us acting upon and engaging with Him in; would any loving father want their child to commit suicide? And if we would be traumatized for life if one of our mortal children performed such an act, how much more our loving Father in heaven; that we did not seem it necessary to trust Him enough to hang-on and know Him more perfectly in what He's obviously allowed?...to commit suicide may facilitate a peace (albeit a false peace in that, when we're dead we're no longer compelled to think about it anymore) will nonetheless have residual effects when standing with Yah clothed in Mom's, Ruwach Qodesh, Garment of Light.
Why didn't Saul, king Saul, just submit to Yahowah's authority to replace him with Dowd? After all, Yah gave king Saul the reasons for why it was decided he must be replaced; which obviously Saul proved he could careless about by virtue of the fact he ended up committing suicide as well?
Finally, it could be said that it is easy for me to say since I'm not lying in a hospital bed with tubes hanging out of every orfice...which is true; and yet I've seen many in that condition whom often times, just 9 months prior, with many years previously to that, living it up, having a good o'l time living as if God never existed in the first place, are now listening to christian music, listening to bible on cd, surrounded by christian bibles and book-markers getting all spiritual (not much different from a catholic who'll go to church and confessional on saturday afternoon so they can meet church standards prior to heading out to the bars and living like the devil and get to eat their cake too in sleeping in sunday morning after partying all night - suddenly getting all serious with their religion when they're lying on their back counting ceiling tiles asking: "Why me lord..." and asking everyone that passes by, "To please pray for me; and if RCC, "would you say a few hail Mary's and Our Fathers for me?")
So I'd tend to lean in the direction of Richard here - for a person to reach a point that they actually believe (belief being the exact opposite of trust and rely) they know more than Yahowah regarding their condition/disposition so as to end their life requires one to first turn one's back on our "shamaring" (observing/keeping it always before our eyes - foremost in our thoughts and mind) Yah's Towrah, but just long enough to chamber the bullet, or fill up the glass of water before popping the pill, or loading the syringe...etc really does make a mockery of what Yah was serious about telling us to do: Shamar His Towrah leaving no time to load the chamber or fill the syringe if you're celebrating being Towrah observant.
But I could be wrong; but only wrong if Yah didn't just spend the past 15 billion years preparing everything perfectly for these 6000 years of human history just so as to facilitate the cutting out for Himself a family to share eternity with...15 billion years leaves a heck of a lot of information and evidence to prove I'm probably more right than I am wrong when I suspect suicide probably has more to do with pride than it has to do with Yahowah - and we all know how much He hates pride; the sense that despite His greatness, we somehow know best, would, imho, tend to tick/hurt Yah off more than it would invoke a hug out of Him the next time you and Him crossed each others' path?