Ok guys, I was quite surprised when someone asked "when was Satan thrown out of heaven." And after reading bits and pieces of FH I saw KP refer to Revelation 12, in which Satan is kicked out of heaven at the midway point of the Tribulation after having a fight with Michael and his angels. (I wonder if this war will be manifested in the Gog and Magog war, which precludes the Abomination of Desolation, but I'm not sure)

Satan's time is short (Rev 12:12) so he'll get to work in brutal form, by getting the Antichrist to magnify himself above every other god as recorded in Daniel 9:27, 11:36-39 and 12:11-12. When the Antichrist goes to stand upon Temple Mount the Jews will flee into the mountains. God will miraculously protect the fleeing Israelites so Satan will turn against God's children (Laodiceans) instead. This is when the Antichrist will begin the Mark of the Beast campaign and will decapitate any believer in Yahweh.

Up until the midpoint of the Tribulation Satan still has access to Heaven, access to talking with God, or should we rather say accusing the children of God (Rev 12:10) before God, also confirmed in the opening chapters of the book of Job.

Now, what about Isaiah 14:12 when it says Halal's been thrown down to the earth? I take it this is prophetic of the mid Tribulation event, but I could be wrong? But what about verses 13-14 in which it talks about Satan wanting to raise his throne above Yahweh's, when does this take place, did this happen long ago or is this prophetic of the reason why the future war in heaven breaks out?

I think you mean Trumpets, the hidden day.



Very interesting, the whole passage of Luke 10 is very interesting, it seems as if Yahshua is sending out the 72 which is prophetic of the 144,000. It's like He's talking to them but He's actually addressing the 144,000, especially verses 8-12 and 18-20!

Luke would have been written in Greek, or at least the oldest manuscripts we have of it are in Greek, I believe. So in all likely hood any Hebrew we have of it has been translated back from the Greek, and therefor what words which where chosen are a bit arbitrary. I don't know what the Greek words used where, but I will look it up. Also you can check out Swalchy's translation of Luke at www.thewaytoyahuweh.com

No, actually, I think you may have something there, Robski. You've got an interaction between an Eternal Being (Yahweh) and one who's merely immortal. Satan is locked in time---the event takes place somewhere along his timeline. But to the One who's throwing him out of heaven, bag and baggage, the deed was/is/will be a fait accompli at all points in time equally. So Yahshua could describe the event in past tense, even though it hadn't actually happened to Satan yet, simply because Yahweh is timeless.

But as far as the escalation of Satan's bad behavior is concerned, it seems pretty clear that Yahweh is going to throw his sorry carcass out of His presence once and for all some time in 2030. I don't want to be around when that happens.

kp

Rebelled yet? Of course he has. He did that before he bushwhacked Chavvah in the Garden of Eden. But Yahweh has yet to kick Satan out of His presence. Until now, he's always had access to the throne, accusing us day and night (okay, there is no night in God's house) of being guilty of one sin or another. Maybe it's a measure of Yahweh's patience. Maybe it's merely a stategy to keep the devil out of our hair. I don't know. But I do know that his access privileges are about to get revoked.

kp

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So Yahshua could describe the event in past tense, even though it hadn't actually happened to Satan yet, simply because Yahweh is timeless.

Everything has already happened?

Actually, Revelation 12 makes it crystal clear that there will be a time gap between the eviction of Satan from Heaven (v.8-9) and his final thousand-year incarceration. The evidence (v.17) leads me to conclude that the eviction takes place at the latest 1,230 days into the Tribulation---the date of the abomination of desolation. This leaves three and a half years for Satan to be "enraged with the woman (Israel) and to make war with the rest of her offspring (neo-Laodicea)."

kp

Since we are just having fun here, I have a question. So since space and time were created we know that Hallal being immortal and not eternal he obviously needed to be created after the universe was created. Well at least when space and time were created.

Is their any scriptural idea were it tells us when the heavenly messengers were created and for what reason?

I was right, everything has happened already...

Ecclesiastes 3:14-15

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I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.