Hey :D

There is something with the new moon which is "Special" maybe other than the start of the month... and Trumpets - I am sure Ken knows more... as for the Shabbat? no - You count six days, and rest on the seventh - no moon linking was ever prescribed by Yah in the 7 day Sabbath cycle... any teaching of such has no basis and as far as I can see is false. You actually see a separation between Sabbaths and New Moon days anyway

But I have been meaning to investigate the new moon days and yes Ken should probably have something on that :)

Here are some out of context quotes with the "New moon" mentioned - notice is normally like "new moon nor Sabbath" "new moon and Sabbath" never the new moon Sabbath. and never commanded to count from the new moon other than to calculate feast days. Passover and the Trumpets for example. But this should give you some places to look up - obviously the translation is pretty pants being ESV...



1 Sam 20:18 Then Jonathan said to him, “Tomorrow is the new moon, and you will be missed, because your seat will be empty.

1 Sam 20:24 So David hid himself in the field. And when the new moon came, the king sat down to eat food.

1 Sam 20:27 But on the second day, the day after the new moon, David’s place was empty. And Saul said to Jonathan his son, “Why has not the son of Jesse come to the meal, either yesterday or today?”

2 Kings 4:23 And he said, “Why will you go to him today? It is neither new moon nor Sabbath.” She said, “All is well.”

1 Chron 23:31 and whenever burnt offerings were offered to the Lord on Sabbaths, new moons, and feast days, according to the number required of them, regularly before the Lord.

2 Chron 2:4 Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the Lord my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the Lord our God, as ordained forever for Israel.

2 Chron 8:13 as the duty of each day required, offering according to the commandment of Moses for the Sabbaths, the new moons, and the three annual feasts—the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks, and the Feast of Booths.

2 Chron 31:3 The contribution of the king from his own possessions was for the burnt offerings: the burnt offerings of morning and evening, and the burnt offerings for the Sabbaths, the new moons, and the appointed feasts, as it is written in the Law of the Lord.

Ezra 3:5 and after that the regular burnt offerings, the offerings at the new moon and at all the appointed feasts of the Lord, and the offerings of everyone who made a freewill offering to the Lord.

Neh 10:33 for the showbread, the regular grain offering, the regular burnt offering, the Sabbaths, the new moons, the appointed feasts, the holy things, and the sin offerings to make atonement for Israel, and for all the work of the house of our God.

Ps 81:3 Blow the trumpet at the new moon, at the full moon, on our feast day.

Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations— I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; they have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.

Isa 47:13 You are wearied with your many counsels; let them stand forth and save you, those who divide the heavens, who gaze at the stars, who at the new moons make known what shall come upon you.

Isa 66:23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord.

Ezek 45:17 It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the new moons, and the Sabbaths, all the
appointed feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel.

Ezek 46:1 “Thus says the Lord God: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Ezek 46:3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the Lord on the Sabbaths and on the new moons.

Ezek 46:6 On the day of the new moon he shall offer a bull from the herd without blemish, and six lambs and a ram, which shall be without blemish.

Hos 2:11 And I will put an end to all her mirth, her feasts, her new moons, her Sabbaths, and all her appointed feasts.

Hos 5:7 They have dealt faithlessly with the Lord; for they have borne alien children. Now the new moon shall devour them with their fields.

Amos 8:5 saying, “When will the new moon be over, that we may sell grain? And the Sabbath, that we may offer wheat for sale, that we may make the ephah small and the shekel great and deal deceitfully with false balances,

Col 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

a very interesting question I would like to discuss more myself :)

New moons mark the start of each month, so in essence they're used to calculate all the Feasts, and not just those two.....?

YHWH is definitely admonishing people for not keeping HIS feasts/sabbaths and appointed times. It just seems to me that with the blowing of trumpets to mark the start of each month; that there is mention of certain sacrifices/offerings brought specifically on New Moon; and that they wanted new moon to be over so that they could resume business, it seems that new moon day is a special day, and perhaps it is a kind of sabbath aside from the weekly one, in that there are offerings, and perhaps we shouldn't be working on this day. . .
Whether or not that means the new moon kinda "resets" the weekly cycle (which is what I'm gathering 'lunar sabbath teachings' are saying) is what's unclear...to me there doesn't really seem to be scripture suggesting that....or that it doesn't actually...

This is an area that I seem to need to research at the moment, so I hope to discuss it further with you guys; those that are interested in looking into it.
At the end of the day, it just really shows how far removed we became from YHWH's way; and how much I look forward to His return when He will restore ALL things!!

thank you, I will hunt for them...

Welcome to the forum HebrewHippie, and welcome back shalom82, it's been a long time!

This is an interesting thread!

Torah does speak of particular burnt, grain and drink offerings being performed on the first of every month in Numbers 28:11-15, and then in Numbers 29:1-6 it references the new moon for the Feast of Trumpets. Scripture doesn't suggest the first of every month is a Sabbath, but just tells the priests what they are to do on those particular days. So I'm assuming it's a normal business as usual for the rest of the clan.

Could it be possible that Trumpets is also called a/the New Moon Festival? We know many Jews call it Rosh Hashanah.



I think you have a point here because we would need to know when the first of the seventh month is in order to calculate the Day of Reconcilliations/Atonement and Tabernacles. Hence the new moon starting the first and seventh months are especially important in order to determine when the Feasts are to occur.

As far as I know the new moon cycle is not linked to the Sabbath cycle. However, Yahweh did link the two up when He fulfilled Unleavened Bread on a natural Sabbath on the Saturday of 2 April 33CE (15 Nissan/Abib 4000). And the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukah) should also be fulfilled on a natural Sabbath on 8 October 2033CE, which will be 15 Tishri 6000.

I always go outside and blow my shofar every new moon.

Someone has to let the pagans know the new month has begun :-)

I think one of the coolest things about the Book of Enoch is how he is told the Moon and Sun were both hung, and that even though the sun is so much larger then the moon, they were hung specifically to look the exact same size to use from earth.

If I stand in my back yard and look up at the night sky, I can't tell what the universe is doing. All I have to go on is the measurements (red shift and so forth) that scientists have made, leading them to the current consensus. I am reminded that the scientific community hated the implications of their findings, first of "big bang," (since it---if you're willing to be honest with yourself---pulled the rug out from beneath the feet of the Darwinists, leaving them nothing remotely close to the time needed for their theory of the origin of life to be plausible), and then of the accelerating cosmic expansion (which strongly suggests that this "creation" thingie has only happened once and will never happen again). All of this data implies (actually, demands) a Creator, a Designer---something the scientists are extremely uncomfortable with. So they postulate hypothesis upon hypothesis (things like dark matter and dark energy) to deal with their findings. At least they (well, some of them) have the intellectual honesty to admit the data they find, whether they "like" it or not. All I wanted to say is that what they see in the sky with the most sophisticated instruments ever devised by man is totally compatible with the earliest, "most primitive" writings in the Word of God.

The Torah Code, by the way, is the book I'm currently working on, a project of which quite a few forum participants are aware. Actually, the first 250 pages or so (3 chapters) are ready for publication on the Web (like Future History and The Owner's Manual, TTC will be free online), but our beloved webmaster, Yow'el, who's had the project for a while now, hasn't been able to find the time to put the website up yet. (And I thought I was slow :-) . Anyway, The Torah Code is a comprehensive exploration of the symbols Yahweh uses in His Word. It's a natural outgrowth of my study of the Torah---The Owner's Manual.

Oh, and by the way, welcome to the forum!

kp

Shalom,

Perhaps Robski can be of service in getting TTC to the web?

rv wrote:



I totally agree, rv. Some have guessed that the Millennial Kingdom will be a simpler age---that we'll revert to technology as it was in the first century. I don't see that at all. Rather, I see the "Solomon effect" in play. When a King of infinite wisdom sits on the throne, knowledge will increase (Gee, where did I read that?) beyond anything we can now imagine---in every area of endeavor. The Messiah/King will be able to point out what we've missed in His scriptures, and tell us how to find answers for questions we were never before smart enough to ask. Yes, I think you're right: during the Millennium, we'll be practicing real science again!

kp

> Can see why people are anxiously awaiting TWTY's amplified translation of Yahuchanon's eye-witness account

Very much so !