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Offline James  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 2, 2009 11:49:47 AM(UTC)
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Chuck Norris wrote:

Got Your Permit To Study the Bible?
by Chuck Norris
Recently a California pastor and his wife were required by San Diego County officials to obtain a permit to hold a Bible study in their home.

"What?! Is this a joke?" I wondered as I heard the news for the first time. It was no joke. Rather, it's a First Amendment nightmare and possibly a foreshadowing of what's to come.

Are you prepared for a future in which you hear, "Got your permit to study the Bible?"
On April 10 (Good Friday), a county code enforcement officer visited the home of David and Mary Jones after receiving a complaint about their Christian gatherings. The Jones' attorney, Dean Broyles, president of The Western Center for Law & Policy, conveyed in disbelief, "The county asked (Mrs. Jones), 'Do you have a regular meeting in your home?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Do you say "amen"?' 'Yes.' 'Do you pray?' 'Yes.' 'Do you say "praise the Lord"?' 'Yes.'"

The officer then warned the family to "cease and desist" the "religious gathering" or they would face weekly fines. A few days later, the county delivered a citation claiming that the Joneses were guilty of "unlawful use of land" and mandating them to "stop religious assembly or apply for a major use permit."

At first, I thought, "They must have a large congregation meeting in their home to warrant this type of citation and prompt this type of commotion, right?" Actually, according to their lawyer, the Joneses have been hosting weekly Bible studies in their home for about five years, with an average attendance of only about 15 people.

Broyles appropriately responded, "If the county thinks they can shut down groups of 10 or 15 Christians meeting in a home, what about people who meet regularly at home for poker night? What about people who meet for Tupperware parties? What about people who are meeting to watch baseball games on a regular basis and support the Chargers?"

Well, this past weekend, barraged by hundreds of complaints after WorldNetDaily broke the news to the international community, San Diego County officials informed the world that they'd backed down from requiring the Joneses to obtain a permit. Despite their retraction (based solely upon public pressure, I might add), however, I am appalled at how far the county's enforcement and encroachment crossed the constitutional line and became a flagrant disregard for Americans' right to exercise their religious faiths. And I'm concerned that we will see far more of these overreaching governmental actions in years to come.

As Mary Jones shared with Fox News: "The implications are great because it's not only us that's involved. There are thousands and thousands of Bible studies that are held all across the country. What we're interested in is setting a precedent here -- before it goes any further -- and that we have it settled for the future."

I'm not expecting county officials to be constitutional lawyers, but they should be aware of these basic precepts of America's makeup. For example, prior to the San Diego officials' recanting their position regarding the Joneses' Bible study, Chandra Waller, the general manager of the county's Land Use and Environment Group, declared, "The Bible studies are one that's probably in a very gray area."

"Very gray area"? Is there anything "very gray" about the First Amendment?

I agree again with Broyles, who explained further to Fox News: "The government may not prohibit the free exercise of religion. I believe that our Founding Fathers would roll over in their grave if they saw that here in the year 2009, a pastor and his wife are being told that they cannot hold a simple Bible study in their own home."

Part of the genius of America's Founding Fathers was to provide and secure a foundation for our freedom of religious belief. The First Amendment simply reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Could it be any clearer that government may not prohibit "the free exercise thereof"?

Now more than ever, we need to be like the Joneses! Fight for the First Amendment and your freedom to exercise your religion.


http://townhall.com/Colu...e=full&comments=true
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“The truth is not for all men but only for those who seek it.” ― Ayn Rand
Offline edStueart  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, June 2, 2009 3:48:14 PM(UTC)
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The house church that I attended for 15 years had meetings at a different person's house each week. That meant that there were "a bunch of cars parked in the yard" only 2 or 3 times a year. This is being a good neighbor (and good OPSEC).

We have to start maintaining a low profile. There is no turning this around.

(Gotta log off, I think I hear Black Helicopters hovering nearby...)

(...and how long is that "Pizza Delivery Truck" going to stay parked across the street?)

(It actually says "Pizza Delivery Truck" on the side.)
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Offline James  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:48:53 AM(UTC)
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edStueart wrote:

(Gotta log off, I think I hear Black Helicopters hovering nearby...)

(...and how long is that "Pizza Delivery Truck" going to stay parked across the street?)

(It actually says "Pizza Delivery Truck" on the side.)

LOL
I spent 9 years delivering pizza's, putting my self through college, and I can say that soemtime the pizza guy realy does spend a lot of time at a house. people like to talk, or can't find there wallet, or a number of reason, I've spent as much as 30 min at a house. So don't be too paranoid.

Now the "Pizza Delivery Truck" sign might make me worried. Not that your being watched, but that American's have been dumbed down so much, that it would probably slide right by most people with out a question.
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Offline StuDent  
#4 Posted : Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:01:28 AM(UTC)
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Phoenix Police Raid a Local Pastor's Home For Holding Church Services

I'm getting a little dizzy from shaking my head.
"As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he"
Offline Robert9876  
#5 Posted : Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:11:53 PM(UTC)
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Wow, this is INSANITY!!! I guess we as a people really ARE lost. The blind directing the blind leading the blind via walky-talkies at night at the edge of a cliff...
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Offline Matthew  
#6 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 11:17:53 AM(UTC)
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StuDent wrote:
Phoenix Police Raid a Local Pastor's Home For Holding Church Services

I'm getting a little dizzy from shaking my head.


It never ceases to amaze me how much mankind hates Yahshua and His followers.

The police raid the Christians who sit around a barbeque reading from the Bible, while just down the road you'll find Barack Obama befriending Islam. If only Americans, and the rest of world for that matter, knew what disaster they were bringing themselves by following after other gods or no god at all!
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